The Chargers will break Chip's heart...

[Jenky]

Just connecting some dots here. Philly trading for Bradford: no way it was to keep him, or else they would have already restructured his $12.9M salary for this year, lowered his cap hit, and locked him up beyond this year (he's a free agent in 2016). Clearly, Chip thinks Bradford is bait to move up to #2 with TEN to get Mariota.

However, heard today that San Diego has a private workout set up with Mariota. And that Philip Rivers intends to "play out his contract," which expires after this year. Who was Rivers' offensive coordinator in 2013 when he had his best season as a QB? That's right, Ken Whisenhunt, the current head coach of TEN.

So... on draft day, I think San Diego trades Rivers to TEN for the #2 pick, and San Diego takes Mariota. Chip cries and is stuck with Bradford...

It will cost more than Rivers.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

If Bradford is the plan, and you gave up a 2nd round pick, why wouldn't you renegotiate his deal as part of the trade and lock him up long term? I've never seen a trade of a top pick, especially for a QB, that did not involve the QB agreeing to a new contract... unless the plan all along is to re-trade him and allow the new team to renegotiate its own deal...

To answer your question, first it is really in neither parties best interest to negotiate a long term deal. Bradford's value is pretty low and he would be foolish to sign for less now, and lock himself in long term at a cheap rate. He's hoping the he can stay healthy all season, throw for 3500 yards or so, maybe 25 TDs, which under Chip is very doable and then cash in. Philly would potentially overpay and be stuck with him for several more seasons, if the locked him up now and he got injured again.

The question I would ask you, is if the plan is still to get Mariotta, why trade a 2nd round pick that could have been used in a trade?

 

[theogt]

I have zero idea how a QB with two ACL blowouts and on the last year of huge contract has any trade value anyway to move up from 20 to 2.

A head coach has 3-4 years at best to do something in this league, or else he washes out. He's not likely to have winning records in the next couple years with Mariota. With that trade, he gets a QB who basically guarantees at least a .500 record for 4-5 years and also the 17th pick in the draft. I take that in a heart beat, rather than gamble on an unproven QB that merely projects well.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Couple issues I see with this: don't think the Eagles try to lock up Sam Bradford long term without him even taking a snap in Philly, not with his injury history. It's one thing to trade picks for a guy, but to then commit money to him long term when they have no idea if he'll stay healthy? No thanks. And Bradford isn't agreeing to an incentives based long term contract, he'd rather pull a Greg Hardy and try to be great this year and set himself up for free agency next year.

Plus, and while I think Rivers is great and underrated, I don't know if I can see a team trading a number 2 overall pick for him. Even if the Titans are not sold on Mariota, I think I'd rather roll the dice on a 21 year old with the potential for greatness than trade for a 33 year old QB with only a few good years left.

Just dont know why Philly would trade Foles, with a cap hit of $1.5 million, for Bradford, with a $13 million+ cap hit, and not renegotiate Bradford's number down... but maybe

I suppose it depends on what San Diego is willing to give up in addition to Rivers. Maybe Rivers and a #1? If Ten is not sold on Mariota, how could Ten pass that up?

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Who is a 6 time pro bowler who had his best year of his career under the current TEN head coach... No, I wouldnt want him either

Let's see. A big time talent at QB who can be the face of your franchise for the next 10-15 years. Or a 33 year old qb who'll be 34 in December.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Peterson wants out of Minnesota.
Minnesota wants something in return.
Team X wants AP.

However that goes down is not clear. But I would bet a shiny nickel on that outcome.

Minnesota gets some draft picks.
AP gets out of Minnesota.
Team X gets their RB and makes a run for the SB.

I hope he ends up in Dallas..... Pay him 12 million a year. 2 year contract.
And give him the rock all season long.

Dez will have monster numbers.

 

[Zekeats]

Just connecting some dots here. Philly trading for Bradford: no way it was to keep him, or else they would have already restructured his $12.9M salary for this year, lowered his cap hit, and locked him up beyond this year (he's a free agent in 2016). Clearly, Chip thinks Bradford is bait to move up to #2 with TEN to get Mariota.

However, heard today that San Diego has a private workout set up with Mariota. And that Philip Rivers intends to "play out his contract," which expires after this year. Who was Rivers' offensive coordinator in 2013 when he had his best season as a QB? That's right, Ken Whisenhunt, the current head coach of TEN.

So... on draft day, I think San Diego trades Rivers to TEN for the #2 pick, and San Diego takes Mariota. Chip cries and is stuck with Bradford...

I would love it but I don't think anyone is going to stop Chip from moving up and getting his guy.

 

[wileedog]

A head coach has 3-4 years at best to do something in this league, or else he washes out. He's not likely to have winning records in the next couple years with Mariota. With that trade, he gets a QB who basically guarantees at least a .500 record for 4-5 years and also the 17th pick in the draft. I take that in a heart beat, rather than gamble on an unproven QB that merely projects well.

Bradford didn't even have a 500 record at St. Louis, which is a team in much better shape than TN is now.

At least with a young QB you have an excuse, not that you traded out of the #2 pick for guy who you may be lucky to get 6-8 games out of. And that's not even getting into the contract issue that if Bradford wants to, he can leave next year.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Let's see. A big time talent at QB who can be the face of your franchise for the next 10-15 years. Or a 33 year old qb who'll be 34 in December.

You're right. But it all depends on if they are sold on Mariota as a franchise QB. There have been a number of scouts who dont believe he has the temperment to be one, or the skills in a traditional pro-style, dropback offense (especially after a lukewarm pro day). If TEN is in that camp, you trade the pick and get as much as you can. And when you do, do you take Sam Bradford (and picks) or Philip Rivers (and picks)? I know which deal I would take...

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

You're right. But it all depends on if they are sold on Mariota as a franchise QB. There have been a number of scouts who dont believe he has the temperment to be one, or the skills in a traditional pro-style, dropback offense (especially after a lukewarm pro day). If TEN is in that camp, you trade the pick and get as much as you can. So do you take Sam Bradford or Philip Rivers? I know who I would take...

Then they stay with Mettenberger as their qb (who they really like), and draft Leonard Williams at #2.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Then they stay with Mettenberger as their qb (who they really like), and draft Leonard Williams at #2.

Maybe so. Unless they get offered Rivers and San Diego's #1.

 

[DFWJC]

I suspect more than half the teams in the league would have no interest in Mariotta in the upper part of Rd1, regardless of their QB situation. I'm not sure where the Titans are though.

I do know this, looking at their entire roster, if they added Rivers, they could challenge Indianapolis.

Just seems like a short term and expensive move unless the think Mettenberger could develop under Rivers.

 

[theogt]

Bradford didn't even have a 500 record at St. Louis, which is a team in much better shape than TN is now.

At least with a young QB you have an excuse, not that you traded out of the #2 pick for guy who you may be lucky to get 6-8 games out of. And that's not even getting into the contract issue that if Bradford wants to, he can leave next year.

I misread your post. I was talking about San Diego trading Rivers.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Maybe so. Unless they get offered Rivers and San Diego's #1.

So. Is Rivers Leonard Williams?

 

[Longboysfan]

I'm looking forward to that...

Well. It will make good draft TV.
With the 2nd pick in the 2015 NFL Draft the Tennessee Titans trade their pick to...........

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I like Rivers better then any QB in the 2004 draft and I like Mariota better then any QB in the 2015 draft. Guess we'll see what happens.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Two huge problems with this idea.

One Rivers is 33 years old so you're not going to give up a shot at much younger kid who could be the face of your franchise for a decade (Possibly) for a QB of this age unless you're a team that could make a serious run at winning it all right now with said QB.

Two the Titans are not a QB away from being a real contender.

 

[Cover 2]

Let's see. A big time talent at QB who can be the face of your franchise for the next 10-15 years. Or a 33 year old qb who'll be 34 in December.

Mariota is by no means a sure thing, while with Rivers you know what you're going to get. On top of that quarterbacks seem to be playing longer nowadays due to the emphasis on player safety. So it's not quite so cut and dry. I'm not saying I would take the deal if I were them, but it would be intriguing.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Why would Tenn want a 33 year old QB, when they can draft Mariota? Makes no sense.

Whisenhunt had great success with Kurt Warner and struggled with rookie QB's.

I'm not exactly saying I agree with it, but there is always those coaches that prefer veterans over rookies.





YR

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Whisenhunt had great success with Kurt Warner and struggled with rookie QB's.

I'm not exactly saying I agree with it, but there is always those coaches that prefer veterans over rookies.

OK. Guess TBay should trade the #1 pick for Rivers then. Since Rivers is proven, and Winston isn't.