The Conner McGovern effect

[beware_d-ware]

In fairness to McGovern, the learning curve for NFL linemen is long. I believe PFF had a study showing that first-contract OLs and DLs usually generate their most value in their third and fourth seasons. A 4th year breakout would honestly not be crazy, especially for a guy who just barely started playing in year 3. I'm not writing him off just yet.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Agreed with your first half assessment.

We don't need to trade up for the Center from Iowa. We already have Matt Farniok. Joe Philbin simply needs to stop being stubborn and give Farniok as much 1st string training as possible. Farniok is much better at Center than Biadasz is.

Cowboys dropped the ball once again on a costly 3rd round pick on Connor McGovern. McGovern is not that good. Backup material at best.

Cowboys should use a 4th round pick to address either OG or OT.

Give Isaac Alarcón more reps in practice at OG. Start Farniok at C. Plug in Biadasz at LG while becoming backup C. Get Josh Ball more reps at OT. Do whatever you want with McGovern since he's a career backup OG.

Get rid of Joe Philbin as Oline Coach if you can hire someone better.

I'll add to my previous comment...

If Connor Williams is not offered much in free agency, I would consider bringing him back on a team-friendly deal.

Connor Williams does play Left Guard fairly well. It's the holding penalties he struggles with because he needs to train to get quicker on his feet, become more aggressive and become much stronger.

 

[MapleLeaf]

We miss Fredbeard big time..

Biggest statement of the year. He would have been worth a few wins.

 

[RonWashington]

For what Joseph & Wright cost in draft slots both should be on the field equaling what the 4 picks Brown had this year . Maybe 4 between the 2 is more realistic in 2022.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Agreed with your first half assessment.

We don't need to trade up for the Center from Iowa. We already have Matt Farniok. Joe Philbin simply needs to stop being stubborn and give Farniok as much 1st string training as possible. Farniok is much better at Center than Biadasz is.

Cowboys dropped the ball once again on a costly 3rd round pick on Connor McGovern. McGovern is not that good. Backup material at best.

Cowboys should use a 4th round pick to address either OG or OT.

Give Isaac Alarcón more reps in practice at OG. Start Farniok at C. Plug in Biadasz at LG while becoming backup C. Get Josh Ball more reps at OT. Do whatever you want with McGovern since he's a career backup OG.

Get rid of Joe Philbin as Oline Coach if you can hire someone better.

Watch this video. Pay attention to Biadasz and his ability to pull/block. Biadasz looks like he would be better at Guard than Center.



There are a few others on the Oline to look at in this video clip above. La'el can still move. Zack Martin can not. Tyron is serviceable.

This would be my starting 5 Olinemen for 2022:

Tyron - Biadasz - Farniok - Zack - La'el

If Biadasz struggles at LG, move La'el to LG and start Steele at RT.

Prepare the backups as best as possible to fill in if needed. Draft another OG or OT (preferably a swing Olineman who can play both) in the 4th or 5th round.

Look for a better Oline Coach or give Philbin a better assistant (Marc Colombo?).

Need to get the Oline to become quicker on their feet, stronger overall, fire out while staying low/maintain leverage and drive, plus be more aggressive.

 

[RonWashington]

If Biadasz is a “ better “ guard then center then they must be totally unimpressed with Farniok the Center drafted out of Nebraska because other then Dallas steamrolling the Eagles JV squad last game of the year I don’t think Farniok saw much of the field in 2021.

Josh Ball was redshirted so what’s in store for these two in 2022. Sure would love for both to compete as either starters at the center & tackle spots in 2022 or at least have both dressed for game day rosters as back up .

 

[DuncanIso]

Watch this video. Pay attention to Biadasz and his ability to pull/block. Biadasz looks like he would be better at Guard than Center.



There are a few others on the Oline to look at in this video clip above. La'el can still move. Zack Martin can not. Tyron is serviceable.

This would be my starting 5 Olinemen for 2022:

Tyron - Biadasz - Farniok - Zack - La'el

If Biadasz struggles at LG, move La'el to LG and start Steele at RT.

Prepare the backups as best as possible to fill in if needed. Draft another OG or OT (preferably a swing Olineman who can play both) in the 4th or 5th round.

Look for a better Oline Coach or give Philbin a better assistant (Marc Colombo?).

Need to get the Oline to become quicker on their feet, stronger overall, fire out while staying low/maintain leverage and drive, plus be more aggressive.

TBiadasz was a Rimington trophy winner.

we were lucky to draft him in the 4th.

I don’t get the #BiadaszHate by some.

 

[America's Cowboy]

TBiadasz was a Rimington trophy winner.

we were lucky to draft him in the 4th.

.

Have you ever played Oline, much less at Center, and starred at it? Well enough to understand what you're seeing?

If you haven't, be quiet with the "I don’t get the #BiadaszHate by some" crapola.

 

[Bullflop]

Both McGovern and Biadasz are likely to be disposed of or perhaps relegated to backup service in the future.

We'll quite possibly be taking good looks at improving at LG and Center in the upcoming NFL Draft -- OT, too.

 

[glimmerman]

Watch this video. Pay attention to Biadasz and his ability to pull/block. Biadasz looks like he would be better at Guard than Center.



There are a few others on the Oline to look at in this video clip above. La'el can still move. Zack Martin can not. Tyron is serviceable.

This would be my starting 5 Olinemen for 2022:

Tyron - Biadasz - Farniok - Zack - La'el

If Biadasz struggles at LG, move La'el to LG and start Steele at RT.

Prepare the backups as best as possible to fill in if needed. Draft another OG or OT (preferably a swing Olineman who can play both) in the 4th or 5th round.

Look for a better Oline Coach or give Philbin a better assistant (Marc Colombo?).

Need to get the Oline to become quicker on their feet, stronger overall, fire out while staying low/maintain leverage and drive, plus be more aggressive.

New O-Line coach. The line will look better. Go back to old scheme.

 

[charron]

I stopped when you said talking about Collins stops progress of MCGovern. That's a bunch of B's. McGovern's ability to play spurs talk of anyone else playing LG. The dude sucks.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I say make him the permanent FB. He was good in that role.

 

[atlantacowboy]

All the talk of Lael Collins possibly moving to LG, or the Cowboys expecting to draft an OG
is contributing to the lack of progress from former 3rd round pick Conner McGovern.

- From what was expected from McGovern, we shouldn't have to be addressing the LG role, assuming Williams moves on in FA departure.
McGovern was supposed to be the heir apparent for CW.

- I immediately got the feeling 2 years ago in 2020, that new OL coach Joe Philibin didn't seem
to be fond of McGovern. He even had rookie Tyler B in at LG, for Williams for a few snaps
instead of McGovern.
Because of injury- and Martin switch to RT, McGovern got his starting chance at RG in '20.
But when CW was benched, Gov started at LG, and was dreadful. Re-enter CW.

- And then was the report that McGovern plays better at RG, than he does LG ?.
sorry but imo, ..If you're suppose to be a top OG prospect, it shouldn't matter if you're left or right, you
should be an immediate plug and play player and your presence felt the more experience you get.

- And to this day, this dude has the skinniest arms i've ever seen on a top OG prospect, looks like
he's never lifted weights in his entire life.

The only chit chat in regard to moving La-El to LG is on this board. No credible sources have even brought up that ridiculous idea.

 

[jrumann59]

I'm not saying he was perfect at LG but I did not see dreadful. Seemed like he was generally doing his job. The problem (I saw) was that defenses were attacking C & the LT. The other players weren't doing a good job of figuring out who to block and \ or passing off the block very well.



I also don't see why a G couldn't flip pretty easily. Certainly with some time to practice, it should be successful. However, if for some reason he just doesn't play well at LG, I know he can play RG so I just move ZM to LG. We've got to get better at LG and C or at least put strong pieces around the C.

McG is a plodding player, and has bad footwork and is always on the ground and not able to get tot eh second level. If you have a good almost pro bowl center and OT on either side you can get away with him. But if the talent to each side of him is average he is bad. Dallas OL is predicated on each man to know each others job and strength and weaknesses so they can help. But when you have a player grouping with similar strength and weaknesses it is hard to cover up for one another.

 

[buybuydandavis]

to be fair, he’s not that bad.

his PFF rating is solid.

he just needs more playing time.

PFF had him in the 80s while McGovern was just a role player. Gotta see the scores for the games he started if you want to use PFF.

I'm not averse to PFF scores. They're an indication. But in McGovern's case, I know he started with a very high score before he became a starter, and it dropped to ok as an average.

 

[McKDaddy]

McG is a plodding player, and has bad footwork and is always on the ground and not able to get tot eh second level. If you have a good almost pro bowl center and OT on either side you can get away with him. But if the talent to each side of him is average he is bad. Dallas OL is predicated on each man to know each others job and strength and weaknesses so they can help. But when you have a player grouping with similar strength and weaknesses it is hard to cover up for one another.

Just for sake of discussion, not trying to have an argument.
What I saw was McG being the lineman that often got the most push and pancaked more than a few.
My gut feeling is that the line was bad & the bandwagon crowd jumped on the "McGovern is the problem" because he was the new member and hadn't been blamed previously. (not directed at you, just general observation)
As I said in previous post, I think the players to either side of him were being targeted by defenses (ie, defenses viewed them as the weak links) & he is getting some of their blame.
It is hard to "discuss" line play via the written word. Too bad we can't sit down & watch film together & discuss what happened on each play.

 

[jrumann59]

Just for sake of discussion, not trying to have an argument.
What I saw was McG being the lineman that often got the most push and pancaked more than a few.
My gut feeling is that the line was bad & the bandwagon crowd jumped on the "McGovern is the problem" because he was the new member and hadn't been blamed previously. (not directed at you, just general observation)
As I said in previous post, I think the players to either side of him were being targeted by defenses (ie, defenses viewed them as the weak links) & he is getting some of their blame.
It is hard to "discuss" line play via the written word. Too bad we can't sit down & watch film together & discuss what happened on each play.

If there was a better player at center I think he would have looked better. That is the good thing about OL if you have the right type of players you can cover the most glaring issues. With CW there opposing defenses could choose him of Biadsz to bull rush, the thing is there are not a lot of awesome 1T in the league so CW and Biadsz could combo most 1T. With McG and Biadsz 3T gave them fits, there are a lot of better 3T type players than 1T type players.

 

[DuncanIso]

Have you ever played Oline, much less at Center, and starred at it? Well enough to understand what you're seeing?

If you haven't, be quiet with the "I don’t get the #BiadaszHate by some" crapola.

HAHA

...really?

 

[TNCowboy]

KC drafted a late 2nd and a 6th rounder and rebuilt their OL in one year. Somehow, Jones and McClay missed both of them. The Cowboys haven't drafted a decent OL since 2014.

Biadatz, McGovern, C Williams are all 3 garbage. That's why the OL depth sucked, why the running game struggled.

 

[DuncanIso]

KC drafted a late 2nd and a 6th rounder and rebuilt their OL in one year. Somehow, Jones and McClay missed both of them. The Cowboys haven't drafted a decent OL since 2014.

Biadatz, McGovern, C Williams are all 3 garbage. That's why the OL depth sucked, why the running game struggled.

McGov needs more reps. He’s likely gone after 2022. UFA.

Biadasz could start for a decade.

CWill leaving for UFA $$$