The Cowboys are better than last year, The Eagles are worse

[InPhiltraitor]

Then let us hear your review. Instead of just saying you did one.

This is foolish for me to post this as all I'm doing is putting material out there for you guys to criticize and poke at, but I was asked for a review instead of just saying I did one. It's just my perspective which I'm respectfully not ramming down anyone's gullet.

In the back end Philly lost Gardner-Johnson and Epps. I believe CJ was considered the bigger loss and he’s being replaced by Edmunds. PFF has similar grades on both players with TE graded ahead of CJ with higher coverage and run grades. Edmunds will benefit from Philly’s corners being resigned, more very positive offseason moves that can’t be overlooked, and we shouldn’t be surprised to see TE’s INT’s on the uptick. You could pair with him the 3-round safety that garnered All-Big Ten Conference honors while leading the Big Ten with 6 picks which placed him third in FBS. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if you see Evans back there with Edmunds instead of the rook, Blankenship, or K’Von Wallace. With what they do up front and retained on the edges (added Greedy Williams also), I wouldn’t expect a drop-off in the back end. Remember, they also smartly got a toy in the forth round in the speedy Ringo.

Edwards was a loss but he was one of the lucky recipients of what the beef up front did. He’ll be replaced by Morrow and Nakobe Dean who will be essentially coming off a red-shirt type year. He didn’t need to see the field with TJ and White on the field and it’s a good thing as he struggled with the formation transition of the Birds defense. Word has it he’s really set to go now. Remember, Dallas fans were tickled when Morrow was rumored to be a potential acquisition, well now he’s taking his 2022, 116 tackles to Philly where tackles at the position will be much easier to come by. Not concerned about this position. Besides, they have another 1st round toy in Nolan Smith, that they’re going to have to find a place for – perhaps a la Parsons. That will be a dynamic they didn't have last year.

Hargrave is gone but the Birds are throwing quality bodies at the d-line. Jordan Davis will play a bigger role after a needed year in the weight room and look at that, his buddy with “generational talent” joins him on the line as well as a very nice late round get in Ojomo. Add to that another D-lineman, Kentavius Street, and don’t discount Cox coming back and the there are plenty of ****-disturbers still lingering on the Philly front.

Seumalo was a nice player that took a long time to develop and it felt as if the guy was one misstep away from an injury. How many games did he play in the ’20 and ’21 seasons combined? Underrated and underappreciated but was not the linchpin of the line by any stretch and has had the luxury of being sandwiched between Kelce and Johnson last year. They’ll fill in just fine with Cam Jurgens this year and oh look, they smartly drafted a player in the 2nd round to compete at the position in the future.

They got better in the backfield. Sanders was nice, but the combo of Penny and Swift? I’d be worried if I just had one due to injury history but having both is sweet. Still, if I were to pick a pass-catching group I’d take Philly over Dallas. It’s the receiving ability at the TE position that swings the pendulum. QB – Hurts. So, I don’t see their offense declining and the addition of Cooks and a blocking TE really doesn’t do it for me in terms of closing the gap.

So, overall they may have a little different look but they also will play with more team speed and they have solid depth. Don’t overlook a few of the vets getting together to seal the deal this year.

There's another thread where I generated a post on the Cowboys draft so to stop my rambling I'll just summarize one more time. The Cowboys draft was a "C" with a max. potential of being a "B". The players we selected haven't exhibited the explosive style of play (more than the rare occasion) to expect this class to be afforded and "A" grade, and the FO missed opportunities to push this roster where it needs to be. We didn't close the gap.

 

[dreameaglegreen]

We upgraded our biggest weaknesses last year -- DT, WR2 and CB2.

The Eagles? They got Jalen Carter, who will not replace Hargraves production for at least a couple years. And Nolan Smith, who is a duplicate of Reddick. You're not playing two 235 DE at the same time.

Meanwhile, they lost both starting safeties, their best linebacker, their best starting guard. Both coordinators. Five key players for them are over 33 (Slay, Cox, Johnson, Kelce, and Graham). Hargraves was their best D player, the entire glue. They have 2.25 wide receivers, one who could break in a strong wind. Their QB got paid.

AND, the Georgia stuff just might be too cute. Get a bunch of young, immature players who are bros from college and bring them to big city. Tell them they are Super Bowl locks. Heap praise on the Eagles all off season. Recipe meet disaster. Not to mention the history of Super Bowl losers.

They still have a great roster. But so do we. Best one since the 90s. We're better today than last year. And the Eagles are worse, despite what Steven A. Smith and Colin Cowturd and Chandler Random say

I'm not sure the cowboys upgraded dt. We won't know until they play. I understand the optimism, i'm excited about nolan smith, but I have no idea if he can play in this league either. Cooks had similar production to noah brown with a less ypc average. Doesn't seem like an uprade to me. I do think gilmore is a huge upgrade. The eagles don't need carter to be hargrave. Hargrave has only one double digit sack season and that was last year. They need jordan davis to stay healthy and improve on his rookie year. Their best linebacker is reddick who is signed for another 2 years, but they did lose 2 linebackers. One will be replaced with nicholas morrow and the other by nakobe dean. Lost both starting safeties but they have been replaced with a former 1st round pick terrell edmunds and a 3rd round pick sydney brown. Their best starting guard landon dickerson is still on the team. They did lose guard issac seumalo but plans are to start 2nd rd pick cam jurgens or 3rd round pick tyler steen. No doubt the eagles have a lot of moving parts, and i'm not sure the eagles will be better than last year, but as far as losing the best linebacker and best guard, they didn't. Oh, and we still have the best qb in the division, so we got that going for us.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is foolish for me to post this as all I'm doing is putting material out there for you guys to criticize and poke at, but I was asked for a review instead of just saying I did one. It's just my perspective which I'm respectfully not ramming down anyone's gullet.

In the back end Philly lost Gardner-Johnson and Epps. I believe CJ was considered the bigger loss and he’s being replaced by Edmunds. PFF has similar grades on both players with TE graded ahead of CJ with higher coverage and run grades. Edmunds will benefit from Philly’s corners being resigned, more very positive offseason moves that can’t be overlooked, and we shouldn’t be surprised to see TE’s INT’s on the uptick. You could pair with him the 3-round safety that garnered All-Big Ten Conference honors while leading the Big Ten with 6 picks which placed him third in FBS. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if you see Evans back there with Edmunds instead of the rook, Blankenship, or K’Von Wallace. With what they do up front and retained on the edges (added Greedy Williams also), I wouldn’t expect a drop-off in the back end. Remember, they also smartly got a toy in the forth round in the speedy Ringo.

Edwards was a loss but he was one of the lucky recipients of what the beef up front did. He’ll be replaced by Morrow and Nakobe Dean who will be essentially coming off a red-shirt type year. He didn’t need to see the field with TJ and White on the field and it’s a good thing as he struggled with the formation transition of the Birds defense. Word has it he’s really set to go now. Remember, Dallas fans were tickled when Morrow was rumored to be a potential acquisition, well now he’s taking his 2022, 116 tackles to Philly where tackles at the position will be much easier to come by. Not concerned about this position. Besides, they have another 1st round toy in Nolan Smith, that they’re going to have to find a place for – perhaps a la Parsons. That will be a dynamic they didn't have last year.

Hargrave is gone but the Birds are throwing quality bodies at the d-line. Jordan Davis will play a bigger role after a needed year in the weight room and look at that, his buddy with “generational talent” joins him on the line as well as a very nice late round get in Ojomo. Add to that another D-lineman, Kentavius Street, and don’t discount Cox coming back and the there are plenty of ****-disturbers still lingering on the Philly front.

Seumalo was a nice player that took a long time to develop and it felt as if the guy was one misstep away from an injury. How many games did he play in the ’20 and ’21 seasons combined? Underrated and underappreciated but was not the linchpin of the line by any stretch and has had the luxury of being sandwiched between Kelce and Johnson last year. They’ll fill in just fine with Cam Jurgens this year and oh look, they smartly drafted a player in the 2nd round to compete at the position in the future.

They got better in the backfield. Sanders was nice, but the combo of Penny and Swift? I’d be worried if I just had one due to injury history but having both is sweet. Still, if I were to pick a pass-catching group I’d take Philly over Dallas. It’s the receiving ability at the TE position that swings the pendulum. QB – Hurts. So, I don’t see their offense declining and the addition of Cooks and a blocking TE really doesn’t do it for me in terms of closing the gap.

So, overall they may have a little different look but they also will play with more team speed and they have solid depth. Don’t overlook a few of the vets getting together to seal the deal this year.

There's another thread where I generated a post on the Cowboys draft so to stop my rambling I'll just summarize one more time. The Cowboys draft was a "C" with a max. potential of being a "B". The players we selected haven't exhibited the explosive style of play (more than the rare occasion) to expect this class to be afforded and "A" grade, and the FO missed opportunities to push this roster where it needs to be. We didn't close the gap.

Have to love counting on a 336 lbs man getting stronger. Glossing over the trainwreck at S.

 

[InPhiltraitor]

Have to love counting on a 336 lbs man getting stronger. Glossing over the trainwreck at S.

Safety is not a trainwreck and I spent too much time dwelling on it actually.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Safety is not a trainwreck and I spent too much time dwelling on it actually.

Edmunds, Evans and a late third are a colossal downgrade.

Your double high scheme mitigates that but it puts more of an onus on the DT where you are now relying on your NT to get stronger.

 

[Joe Realist]

Lol

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Nothing wrong with thinking the Cowboys got better.
However I really do not see how the eagles got worse.

 

[Creeper]

I agree in general. I do think the Eagles slipped a bit and the Cowboys got better, but what can't be ignored is the Eagles were one of the healthiest teams in the league last year and that kind of luck does not usually carry past one season. By playoff time, the teams with the fewest injuries are going to be the best teams. Of course there are limits to this logic. KC was pterry banged up last year and still beat the Eagles in the Super Bowl.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nothing wrong with thinking the Cowboys got better.
However I really do not see how the eagles got worse.

Their defensive depth has been decimated. They lost Epps and Gardner. Brown seems like a nice prospect but the FA they signed are not good football players.

They not only lost Hargraves but Joseph too. Joseph beat out Davis last year when he was playing poorly.

Carter better come in playing at a very high level.

 

[Proof]

Sadly, Hurts was among the young, highly drafted QB's that left Dak permanently in the rear view by a comfortable margin last year.

ehh they’re largely the same player with hurts a better runner and Dak a better passer. This season thst got Hurts 50 mil apy is hyper comparable to Daks rookie year. The one that got him labeled a bus driver.

 

[Proof]

They did a GREAT job of replacing some of their losses with studs. And lets not fall a asleep on Swift. He is a Pollard clone. Could be scary in that offense.

Hurts also continues to develop with his pass catchers. That Oline is still tops in the NFL and that defense is not bad by any stretch. That Dline is one if the best if not the best in the NFL.

I wouldnt count them out from anything.

Yes we improved, but we didnt improve our biggest weakness which is the Oline.

I know the hopefuls like to think the old and injured guys will always be healthy, but this Oline is going to be a problem.

it’s only the biggest weakness because the actual biggest weakness was upgraded.

 

[Pass2Run]

We upgraded our biggest weaknesses last year -- DT, WR2 and CB2.

The Eagles? They got Jalen Carter, who will not replace Hargraves production for at least a couple years. And Nolan Smith, who is a duplicate of Reddick. You're not playing two 235 DE at the same time.

Meanwhile, they lost both starting safeties, their best linebacker, their best starting guard. Both coordinators. Five key players for them are over 33 (Slay, Cox, Johnson, Kelce, and Graham). Hargraves was their best D player, the entire glue. They have 2.25 wide receivers, one who could break in a strong wind. Their QB got paid.

AND, the Georgia stuff just might be too cute. Get a bunch of young, immature players who are bros from college and bring them to big city. Tell them they are Super Bowl locks. Heap praise on the Eagles all off season. Recipe meet disaster. Not to mention the history of Super Bowl losers.

They still have a great roster. But so do we. Best one since the 90s. We're better today than last year. And the Eagles are worse, despite what Steven A. Smith and Colin Cowturd and Chandler Random say

I couldn't agree more. I knew it just wasn't in the cards for the Eagles last year. Definitely won't be this year, either.

 

[doomsday9084]

Good thread. Almost stunning that it had to be made.

Dallas had a few critical flaws last year from a personnel standpoint:
- Run defense up the middle
- WR2
- WR3
- RB1
- OL when people were injured
- CB when people were injured. Let's not forget the Kelvin game.

Out of those, they obviously went after run defense. WR2 is clearly better. CB is addressed. As bad as Gallup was last year, I think he is an upgrade over Noah Brown as WR3.

I don't think the organization has adequately addressed RB1 or the OL depth. The team isn't perfect but overall its better.

Philly was a huge treadmill where they lost a bunch of players and have replaced many but not all of them with highly rated but untested rookies. Philly is a very good team that is likely marginally worse.

 

[DanA]

It’s hard to judge Philly because there are a lot of moving parts. But it’s also hard to see how all those budget friendly moves work out as well as their predecessors.

 

[DandyDon52]

I did not know eagles OC and DC left for HC jobs ! OC went to colts lol, that team is a mess and owner is kinda nutty.
The DC went to Arizona, also a team in disarray , we will play them.
More than likely they both fail as HC, but will make some cash. I would have waited for better team to go to.

The new OC was the qb coach, so he knows hurts well and offense, so maybe he can keep that going.
The new DC is from the seahawks. and looks like a smart guy, he has a phd.

And the new qb coach is ALEX TANNEY !! You guys remember him? Last I heard he was a bkup for the giants.
Now he is into coaching so might make a good career for himself.

They also hired a new coach as run specialist, never heard of that one before. and a new guy as senior off specialist.

So it does depend on how these new coaches do.

 

[DCwarrior]

The biggest loss to Shegals may be the 2 coordinaters. Couple that with rooks and replacement FAs it could be step back.
Cowboys are marginally better and could add some OL help after cutdowns. Odoga if that’s how it’s spelled should help depth but more is better if available.

 

[jazzcat22]

This is foolish for me to post this as all I'm doing is putting material out there for you guys to criticize and poke at, but I was asked for a review instead of just saying I did one. It's just my perspective which I'm respectfully not ramming down anyone's gullet.

In the back end Philly lost Gardner-Johnson and Epps. I believe CJ was considered the bigger loss and he’s being replaced by Edmunds. PFF has similar grades on both players with TE graded ahead of CJ with higher coverage and run grades. Edmunds will benefit from Philly’s corners being resigned, more very positive offseason moves that can’t be overlooked, and we shouldn’t be surprised to see TE’s INT’s on the uptick. You could pair with him the 3-round safety that garnered All-Big Ten Conference honors while leading the Big Ten with 6 picks which placed him third in FBS. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if you see Evans back there with Edmunds instead of the rook, Blankenship, or K’Von Wallace. With what they do up front and retained on the edges (added Greedy Williams also), I wouldn’t expect a drop-off in the back end. Remember, they also smartly got a toy in the forth round in the speedy Ringo.

Edwards was a loss but he was one of the lucky recipients of what the beef up front did. He’ll be replaced by Morrow and Nakobe Dean who will be essentially coming off a red-shirt type year. He didn’t need to see the field with TJ and White on the field and it’s a good thing as he struggled with the formation transition of the Birds defense. Word has it he’s really set to go now. Remember, Dallas fans were tickled when Morrow was rumored to be a potential acquisition, well now he’s taking his 2022, 116 tackles to Philly where tackles at the position will be much easier to come by. Not concerned about this position. Besides, they have another 1st round toy in Nolan Smith, that they’re going to have to find a place for – perhaps a la Parsons. That will be a dynamic they didn't have last year.

Hargrave is gone but the Birds are throwing quality bodies at the d-line. Jordan Davis will play a bigger role after a needed year in the weight room and look at that, his buddy with “generational talent” joins him on the line as well as a very nice late round get in Ojomo. Add to that another D-lineman, Kentavius Street, and don’t discount Cox coming back and the there are plenty of ****-disturbers still lingering on the Philly front.

Seumalo was a nice player that took a long time to develop and it felt as if the guy was one misstep away from an injury. How many games did he play in the ’20 and ’21 seasons combined? Underrated and underappreciated but was not the linchpin of the line by any stretch and has had the luxury of being sandwiched between Kelce and Johnson last year. They’ll fill in just fine with Cam Jurgens this year and oh look, they smartly drafted a player in the 2nd round to compete at the position in the future.

They got better in the backfield. Sanders was nice, but the combo of Penny and Swift? I’d be worried if I just had one due to injury history but having both is sweet. Still, if I were to pick a pass-catching group I’d take Philly over Dallas. It’s the receiving ability at the TE position that swings the pendulum. QB – Hurts. So, I don’t see their offense declining and the addition of Cooks and a blocking TE really doesn’t do it for me in terms of closing the gap.

So, overall they may have a little different look but they also will play with more team speed and they have solid depth. Don’t overlook a few of the vets getting together to seal the deal this year.

There's another thread where I generated a post on the Cowboys draft so to stop my rambling I'll just summarize one more time. The Cowboys draft was a "C" with a max. potential of being a "B". The players we selected haven't exhibited the explosive style of play (more than the rare occasion) to expect this class to be afforded and "A" grade, and the FO missed opportunities to push this roster where it needs to be. We didn't close the gap.

Thanks for the response. That is far better than we get from some of our own fans.
I still think the Eagles take a step back, but agree the potential for a year or 2 down the road looks good.

I am still mixed on Dallas' draft, but after reading and looking it closer, they could be a very good upside to it as well.

Also I feel both teams go as the QB's go. Hurts improved a lot, but can he keep improving, or was that his best as everything went very well. But how big is losing his OC going to be, as well the DC is gone as well.
Was Dak's INT's an anomaly or did he he regress or pretty much at his ceiling. Which I believe he is. He needs a team around him like Hurts had last year, and looks to have on offense again. Except need to see how the new OC does.

As for Dallas I still say we have addition by subtraction with Moore gone. But need to see how MM does as well. They still have OL issues, but it may work out, if all stay healthy.
I am concerned about RB though. Pollard is not the answer, but I hope he can be.
Our defense will be better, no doubt.

 

[CowboyoWales]

We upgraded our biggest weaknesses last year -- DT, WR2 and CB2.

The Eagles? They got Jalen Carter, who will not replace Hargraves production for at least a couple years. And Nolan Smith, who is a duplicate of Reddick. You're not playing two 235 DE at the same time.

Meanwhile, they lost both starting safeties, their best linebacker, their best starting guard. Both coordinators. Five key players for them are over 33 (Slay, Cox, Johnson, Kelce, and Graham). Hargraves was their best D player, the entire glue. They have 2.25 wide receivers, one who could break in a strong wind. Their QB got paid.

AND, the Georgia stuff just might be too cute. Get a bunch of young, immature players who are bros from college and bring them to big city. Tell them they are Super Bowl locks. Heap praise on the Eagles all off season. Recipe meet disaster. Not to mention the history of Super Bowl losers.

They still have a great roster. But so do we. Best one since the 90s. We're better today than last year. And the Eagles are worse, despite what Steven A. Smith and Colin Cowturd and Chandler Random say

Yep, it's the modern way, look at the star headline and overlook what's happening underneath. Similarly our offseason is 'underwhelming' to some because we didnt improve with star's, but by an injection of talent throughout the roster.

 

[Hadenough]

We upgraded our biggest weaknesses last year -- DT, WR2 and CB2.

The Eagles? They got Jalen Carter, who will not replace Hargraves production for at least a couple years. And Nolan Smith, who is a duplicate of Reddick. You're not playing two 235 DE at the same time.

Meanwhile, they lost both starting safeties, their best linebacker, their best starting guard. Both coordinators. Five key players for them are over 33 (Slay, Cox, Johnson, Kelce, and Graham). Hargraves was their best D player, the entire glue. They have 2.25 wide receivers, one who could break in a strong wind. Their QB got paid.

AND, the Georgia stuff just might be too cute. Get a bunch of young, immature players who are bros from college and bring them to big city. Tell them they are Super Bowl locks. Heap praise on the Eagles all off season. Recipe meet disaster. Not to mention the history of Super Bowl losers.

They still have a great roster. But so do we. Best one since the 90s. We're better today than last year. And the Eagles are worse, despite what Steven A. Smith and Colin Cowturd and Chandler Random say

If Dallas doesn't get a QB that can perform in big games it doesn't matter which team is better. Daks choke jobs are getting old and I'm sick of everyone else getting blamed for his poor play in big games.

 

[sandbridge77]

I think it’s interesting that some fans think the Eagles will be hurt by the loss of their coordinators while it’s an addition by subtraction to have their OC Moore leave.