The Cowboys are going all in on analytics in 2023

[TwistedL0g1k]

Analytics is a tool.

Having more tools is good.

Knowing how to use tools is good.

 

[Hardline]

I would rather the Cowboys go all in on a competent GM.
That would go much further than a bunch of nerds gathering data from a computer

 

[shabazz]

How ever did Knute Rockne and Vince Lombardi ever get it done without analytics?

 

[805BoysInBlue]

Should MM bomb and gets fired, that may be who Jerry's next coach will be. Clone himself as an A.I. being.

 

[Bobhaze]

analytics has its pros/cons but I think 8 people may be going a little overboard (what happens whey u get 3 different opinions). I liked Landrys in game scheming better. He use to use 1st quarter to size up the players on both sides and scheme off that for rest of game. If its 3rd and 3 analytics may say short pass against that team right side. Landry knew analytics but may see DT looks injured and keeps missing tackles while MLB keeps dropping for pass on 3rd down and call draw up middle.
Cleveland uses analytics most-they were 7-10
Tennessee uses it the least- they were 7-10, Cincin 2nd least-they were 12-4.

use it but dont live off it

Again, analytics is not people’s opinions. It’s factual data that can be used to help coaches make informed decisions. It gives coaches a ton of information that can be used to develop game plans based on actual data- not opinions. Players still have to execute the play properly but it gives coaches a ton of good info they wouldn’t normally have as quickly.

One of my sons is a HS basketball coach and even at that level they use analytics. For example, he will get print outs on opposing players tendencies on offense and defense. It doesn’t take away coaching - in fact it enhances it.

 

[Diehardblues]

The analytics we’ve seen with McCarthy going for it on 4th down on our side of the field and 2 point conversions is crock of crap. It’s mostly taken momentum away from us.

 

[CCBoy]

The analytics we’ve seen with McCarthy going for it on 4th down on our side of the field and 2 point conversions is crock of crap. It’s mostly taken momentum away from us.

Really? Who's paycheck do you sign off on?

 

[CATCH17]

The Cowboys need a rookie contract at QB to ever win.

 

[Floatyworm]

Analytics are useful but it takes an overall talented, disciplined and durable team with a high IQ coaching staff to be competitive in the playoffs.

Tom Laundry is rolling over in his grave...it takes this many people to figure out to run the football on 3rd and 2....and if you come up short...run it again.

 

[fredp22]

Again, analytics is not people’s opinions. It’s factual data that can be used to help coaches make informed decisions. It gives coaches a ton of information that can be used to develop game plans based on actual data- not opinions. Players still have to execute the play properly but it gives coaches a ton of good info they wouldn’t normally have as quickly.

One of my sons is a HS basketball coach and even at that level they use analytics. For example, he will get print outs on opposing players tendencies on offense and defense. It doesn’t take away coaching - in fact it enhances it.

agree but analytics doesnt take into account momentum and/or players emotions. Its 100% numbers. Landry (who knew analytics) use to mix in momentum/player tendencies if he thought it would be more effective. Example- if a new player (say a corner) entered a game Landry would test them almost immediately. Analytics may say run and avoid right side because success is low on that side for this team. Landry would say "2nd stringer and cold so test him" and opposition usually knew it adding more stress.
He did that the whole game after 1st few series. Look for weakness and scheme it over analytics. It keeps the opposition on their heels cause they knew he was always trying to attack their weakness for that game.

my point is that analytics is important but you cant run a whole game off it. In game scheming should be an important part. Garrett used high pct analytics and zero scheming. Landry if he saw something schemed over analytics.

 

[Bobhaze]

agree but analytics doesnt take into account momentum and/or players emotions. Its 100% numbers. Landry (who knew analytics) use to mix in momentum/player tendencies if he thought it would be more effective. Example- if a new player (say a corner) entered a game Landry would test them almost immediately. Analytics may say run and avoid right side because success is low on that side for this team. Landry would say "2nd stringer and cold so test him" and opposition usually knew it adding more stress.
He did that the whole game after 1st few series. Look for weakness and scheme it over analytics. It keeps the opposition on their heels cause they knew he was always trying to attack their weakness for that game.

my point is that analytics is important but you cant run a whole game off it. In game scheming should be an important part. Garrett used high pct analytics and zero scheming. Landry if he saw something schemed over analytics.

You’re right that analytics are without emotion. That’s where the coaches and players come in. Analytics provide factual information about your team, your opponents, tendencies is situations. It’s like any data based system. It’s up to the humans using it to make it work.

 

[MarcusRock]

Tom Laundry is rolling over in his grave...

Hopefully the setting is not on "High Heat" and merely "Tumble Dry."

 

[JustChip]

There is often a fundamental misunderstanding of how analytics works in football and why it’s a great tool. Here are some basic facts about what it does:

• Analytics in any sport is fact based. It takes factual data about situational football and tells you what the best options are for success. On both sides of the ball. It does NOT replace coaches decisions- It just gives them more informed choices.
  • For example- if you are playing the egirls, analytics could show you if your defense is in a 3rd and 3 or less, which defensive alignments have had the most success against Filly in that situation.
  • Another example- analytics could pick up that your next week’s opponent is very vulnerable to a deep ball on 2nd down and long. It may go against typical thinking.
• Analytics takes factual data and lets your coaches make better decisions in situational football.
• Analytics does NOT take away a coaches “gut feeling”. It may just give them a better idea of what their gut is telling them though, lol.

True. And analytics is not new; it was previously called “tendencies.” What’s new is the volume of data available and the speed with which it is mined and delivered.

The problem with the current analytics proponents is that too many live solely by that, not taking into account the specific situation and circumstances if the game at that time.

 

[Pass2Run]

Analytics are useful but it takes an overall talented, disciplined and durable team with a high IQ coaching staff to be competitive in the playoffs.

Wait. Where is the source that says they're all-in on analytics, and analytics in what sense? Do you know what analytics is? I'll give you a hint. We've been using it in the NFL for decades. It's just easier to digest with computers.

It's a necessary evil though. Analytics not only covers general; it can be very specific. So, if you think in terms of general to specific, especially the relationship, and what's specifically important in the general picture. It helps to understand. Especially when you have players who can compete with anyone.

 

[Pass2Run]

True. And analytics is not new; it was previously called “tendencies.” What’s new is the volume of data available and the speed with which it is mined and delivered.

The problem with the current analytics proponents is that too many live solely by that, not taking into account the specific situation and circumstances if the game at that time.

They were heavily into analytics in the Troy Aikman days. I think they went more with general philosophies of Norv Turner, for a long time with Garrett, even Kellen, although he at least added new dimensions to it, where there was more motion and things like that, but he wasn't perfect especially in away games when you need to quiet the crowd for periods of time.

Jimmy Johnson was into analytics, but no where near the level you can get today. I happen to know they had basically an analytics guy back then.. But really, the data can be overwhelming, and can also lead you in the wrong direction. So, it's really about the evaluation of the data.. you can get too specific.Finding what is important. Matters. I think Mike is decent at that part. It's his in-game management I worry about.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Analytics are useful but it takes an overall talented, disciplined and durable team with a high IQ coaching staff to be competitive in the playoffs.

Analytics are not mutually exclusive with those. Stats help show talent, discipline, durability, and what makes a high IQ moves that work in the playoffs.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They were heavily into analytics in the Troy Aikman days. I think they went more with general philosophies of Norv Turner, for a long time with Garrett, even Kellen, although he at least added new dimensions to it, where there was more motion and things like that, but he wasn't perfect especially in away games when you need to quiet the crowd for periods of time.

Jimmy Johnson was into analytics, but no where near the level you can get today. I happen to know they had basically an analytics guy back then.. But really, the data can be overwhelming, and can also lead you in the wrong direction. So, it's really about the evaluation of the data.. you can get too specific.Finding what is important. Matters. I think Mike is decent at that part. It's his in-game management I worry about.

Stats can definitely be misleading. That is why it is important to make sure that you have qualified people that show stats that correlate with what you are trying to accomplish and that they are presented in a meaningful form.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

How ever did Knute Rockne and Vince Lombardi ever get it done without analytics?

Given that culture post WW2 was very pro science and statistics due to the success of data driven science in the conflict, I think you are presumptive to say that they did not look to stats and a rigorous approach to decision making.

They did not have the computing power to accomplish what we can today but the idea that coaches like Landry and such did not utilize data is asinine IMO.

 

[DCBoysfan]

There is often a fundamental misunderstanding of how analytics works in football and why it’s a great tool. Here are some basic facts about what it does:

• Analytics in any sport is fact based. It takes factual data about situational football and tells you what the best options are for success. On both sides of the ball. It does NOT replace coaches decisions- It just gives them more informed choices.
  • For example- if you are playing the egirls, analytics could show you if your defense is in a 3rd and 3 or less, which defensive alignments have had the most success against Filly in that situation.
  • Another example- analytics could pick up that your next week’s opponent is very vulnerable to a deep ball on 2nd down and long. It may go against typical thinking.
• Analytics takes factual data and lets your coaches make better decisions in situational football.
• Analytics does NOT take away a coaches “gut feeling”. It may just give them a better idea of what their gut is telling them though, lol.

Good read.

 

[CCBoy]

We all know what the flash looks like coming to camp, the question remains who is going to carry the pop...stats or not.
I like the stats being kept current and useable as well...