The Cowboys are going all in on analytics in 2023

[Zekeats]

Dak can screw this up real quick

 

[rambo2]

I would rather the Cowboys go all in on a competent GM.
That would go much further than a bunch of nerds gathering data from a computer

Lol

 

[rambo2]

Tom Laundry is rolling over in his grave...it takes this many people to figure out to run the football on 3rd and 2....and if you come up short...run it again.

Laundry? That reminds me, I've got some in the dryer.

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

~yawn~

 

[CowboyRoy]

The Cowboys need a rookie contract at QB to ever win.

LOL............Still coming on here ONLY to peddle your little theory eh? Hilarious!!

Some things never change.

So why didnt the Cowboys win a SB when Dak was on a rookie contract? Why didnt the Browns win a SB when Mayfield was on his rookie contract? Why didnt 300 other rookies didnt win a SB when they were on their rookie contract?

 

[rambo2]

LOL............Still coming on here ONLY to peddle your little theory eh? Hilarious!!

Some things never change.

So why didnt the Cowboys win a SB when Dak was on a rookie contract? Why didnt the Browns win a SB when Mayfield was on his rookie contract? Why didnt 300 other rookies didnt win a SB when they were on their rookie contract?

Exactly, the Bengals aren't winning with their qb on a rookie deal. The Bills and Chargers aren't either.

 

[gimmesix]

When are we going to make the switch to AI?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Exactly, the Bengals aren't winning with their qb on a rookie deal. The Bills and Chargers aren't either.

Mahomes won a championship on a rookie deal and one getting paid big money. Same with Brady. The theory is more coincidence. You have to have the championship caliber team already in place at the same time you have the elite QB on the rookie deal. Good luck with that.

 

[Verdict]

Statistics can be helpful, but sometimes people read things into statistics that are simply not there. You have to take so many additional factors into account when making a decision that cannot be accounted for simply by looking at statistics.

I’m all for the team using them for an advantage, but common sense also has to be stirred into the coaches decision making that go far beyond statistical analysis.

 

[cowboyed]

Wait. Where is the source that says they're all-in on analytics, and analytics in what sense? Do you know what analytics is? I'll give you a hint. We've been using it in the NFL for decades. It's just easier to digest with computers.

It's a necessary evil though. Analytics not only covers general; it can be very specific. So, if you think in terms of general to specific, especially the relationship, and what's specifically important in the general picture. It helps to understand. Especially when you have players who can compete with anyone.

They were heavily into analytics in the Troy Aikman days. I think they went more with general philosophies of Norv Turner, for a long time with Garrett, even Kellen, although he at least added new dimensions to it, where there was more motion and things like that, but he wasn't perfect especially in away games when you need to quiet the crowd for periods of time.

Jimmy Johnson was into analytics, but no where near the level you can get today. I happen to know they had basically an analytics guy back then.. But really, the data can be overwhelming, and can also lead you in the wrong direction. So, it's really about the evaluation of the data.. you can get too specific.Finding what is important. Matters. I think Mike is decent at that part. It's his in-game management I worry about.

No worries. I stated analytics are useful not useless. I know what analytics are and the use and curation of football-centric information in highly accessible computerized, electronic format contributes to greater insightful decision making on the field. Having the will to win, creativity or skillful improvisation are also key X factors relative to fielding a very competitive team and having an astute coaching staff to manage and win games.

 

[CCBoy]

Bill Parcells studied his analytics until there was no more time in the day.

 

[Flamma]

I don’t see how any of it fits into football.

As an example…let’s say you’re faced with 4th and 4 from your own 41, and teams convert that down and distance at a 68% rate.

It doesn’t mean you have a 68% chance to convert in the current situation, or make it a good idea…not early in the game or when ahead anyway.

There are dozens of factors that were not in play during the 68% calculation, not the least of which is who you are and who you’re playing.

I’m probably missing something but I just don’t see how it fits. It’s not baseball.

You're not missing much. It's a reference, a tool, nothing more. It's up to the coach to make the decision based on the game situation. People get too caught up in, what did the analytics say......

 

[CCBoy]

You're not missing much. It's a reference, a tool, nothing more. It's up to the coach to make the decision based on the game situation. People get too caught up in, what did the analytics say......

They bring into focus what other teams are watching for as well as their game plans. Direction and motivation always belongs to the Coaches and players on the carpet. That has never been challenged except for some posters with an agenda.

 

[khiladi]

Wasn’t that what MM sold as his competitive advantage during his time-off and when coming to the Cowboys. Is Jerry repackaging old stories and reselling them again?

 

[jsb357]

I guess going all in on winning a championship in 2023 is asking too much.

 

[Jumbo075]

I hear you and agree, but none of this can predict player abilities, 3rd and 3 we're against philly, great play drawn up for said defense, and the player drops the pass, o-line isn't blocking well, RB misses a key block, WR lines up offsides

Use of statistical analysis is about "probabilities", not "certainties." Of course the best statistical play will fail if the player don't perform. But the same can be said for plays called intuitively by the coach.

 

[CCBoy]

I guess going all in on winning a championship in 2023 is asking too much.

Been watching the cobweb in the corner of the ceiling again? Try a good beverage...but be a fan of the Cowboys.

 

[Jumbo075]

Again, analytics is not people’s opinions. It’s factual data that can be used to help coaches make informed decisions. It gives coaches a ton of information that can be used to develop game plans based on actual data- not opinions. Players still have to execute the play properly but it gives coaches a ton of good info they wouldn’t normally have as quickly.

One of my sons is a HS basketball coach and even at that level they use analytics. For example, he will get print outs on opposing players tendencies on offense and defense. It doesn’t take away coaching - in fact it enhances it.

Basic film study is an early form of analytics. Anyone who ever watched the film "Remember the Titans" can recall when Denzel Washington's character provided game film to the defensive coordinator (former head coach) of the Titans and how it helped him be better prepared for the opponents. The only difference is he used his brain to compile opponent vulnerabilities, rather than a computer. But it was still analytics.

For those who eschew analytics, then they are really proposing that the players and coaches not watch any game film at all. That is life without analytics. Show up and play a random opponent with no preparation except practicing your own plays without any insight into who your opponent is, or what they might do. No one really believes that coaches and players should do that. They just want them to use their brains only, instead of computers. In other words, they are Luddites.

 

[Jumbo075]

Tom Laundry is rolling over in his grave...it takes this many people to figure out to run the football on 3rd and 2....and if you come up short...run it again.

On the contrary, the Cowboys are the very first team to use computer analytics to evaluate players coming up in the draft. They drafted better than any other team right up until 1983, when the league implemented the NFL combine so that all teams would get the same data on prospects. The use of analytics is what led to the still record 20 consecutive winning seasons produced by the Cowboys from 1966-1985.

Tom Landry was an Industrial Engineer (same as me), and he would have been the first to use analytics to evaluate opponents, and might actually have been the first to do it. Ask Gil Brandt.

 

[GMO415]

So TC is going to be Camp Cupcake 2.0...