News: The Cowboys' evaluation of the 2015 season takes months to complete

[Doomsay]

Isn't it funny though that it doesn't take the same "months" to decide that they want this entire underachieving coaching staff back intact?

Ding, ding, ding

 

[CCBoy]

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...broncos-postseason-key-need-cowboys-offseason

A question about the D line next year: I'm assuming no more Mincey and Hardy. If they have Gregory and Lawrence at DE - are they too small versus the run? Could they have Crawford play DE?

I think they want to keep Tyrone Crawford as the under tackle. They paid him a big extension this money to play that spot. I know he didn't put up huge numbers this year, but he was playing a lot of the season with one arm (shoulder injury). That's not an excuse, just what happened. And you're right about DE if, as we're assuming, Mincey and Hardy are not re-signed. Gregory is undersized. That's why DE is one of the important positions that needs addressing this offseason.

This doesn't require extensive study?

Now add in a two to three year window with Tony Romo...

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Garrett needs to evaluate himself first. It starts from the top and if he wants to improve as a coach he needs to look at what he did wrong (and right). Otherwise, you can evaluate all you want. But nothing changes until there is accountability.

This.

The negative on Garrett: He overestimated his scheme and its ability to function without key components. He is a smart man but he appears to lack the innate ability to adapt and improvise.

The positive on Garrett: When challenged to face reality -- in this case, an ineffective offense without Romo and Dez -- he has responded well. I would expect that he will have new wrinkles to his offense in 2016.

I think this is a make or break year for Garrett. With some key defensive pieces and some complimentary pieces on offense, maybe he can catch lightening in a bottle like the Panthers who were 12-4 in 2013 and lost most of their games in 2014 due to injuries to Newton and loss of other key personnel. If he does not produce a winning record in 2016, he could be out.

 

[rockj7]

Takes months . This is why this organization is where it is.

It should take them months we had to look at this hot mess for months.

 

[Stash]

The positive on Garrett: When challenged to face reality -- in this case, an ineffective offense without Romo and Dez -- he has responded well.

This part of your comment stands out to me, and I have to ask.

How and why do you feel that he "responded well"?

 

[Zimmy Lives]

This part of your comment stands out to me, and I have to ask.

How and why do you feel that he "responded well"?

Thought there might be confusion. In the past he has responded well with changes to his philosophy/coaching approach.

His challenge this off-season is to respond again to his inability to adapt and improvise when key offensive players are not available. This is his new challenge.

 

[Stash]

Thought there might be confusion. In the past he has responded well with changes to his philosophy/coaching approach.

His challenge this off-season is to respond again to his inability to adapt and improvise when key offensive players are not available. This is his new challenge.

I don't know that I would agree that "he has responded well". He resisted Dan Reeves being brought it to help him through his early struggles. He had it mandated that he give up play calling. And then he brought in another coach he was comfortable with to run his offense.

I wouldn't mark any of these things as 'feathers in his cap'. What is shows me are a series of repeated shortcomings.

But we can agree that he gets another year. If there's not marked improvement, no amount of "bad luck" should save him.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I don't know that I would agree that "he has responded well". He resisted Dan Reeves being brought it to help him through his early struggles. He had it mandated that he give up play calling. And then he brought in another coach he was comfortable with to run his offense.

I wouldn't mark any of these things as 'feathers in his cap'. What is shows me are a series of repeated shortcomings.

But we can agree that he gets another year. If there's not marked improvement, no amount of "bad luck" should save him.

I agree with your statement in bold. And maybe I should state he responded well enough.

Considering I was a staunch supporter in the beginning, his performance to date has left me lacking in faith. I still believe he can get the job done. Tim Cowlishaw in the DMN points out that three of the four head coaches left in the playoffs are not necessarily known for their greatness. Garrett does not have to be great, he just has to make adjustments and improve.

 

[Stash]

I agree with your statement in bold. And maybe I should state he responded well enough.

Considering I was a staunch supporter in the beginning, his performance to date has left me lacking in faith. I still believe he can get the job done. Tim Cowlishaw in the DMN points out that three of the four head coaches left in the playoffs are not necessarily known for their greatness. Garrett does not have to be great, he just has to make adjustments and improve.

I disagree with Cowlishaw's opinion. 3 of the 4 have in fact, a large body and track record of quality work. And even Kubiak has a good track record as a coordinator. I'm not sure what he's using as "greatness", but all of these guys deserve to be right where they are. These teams didn't achieve the number one and number two rankings in their respective conferences by accident. The cream has clearly risen to the top, this year as much as ever.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I disagree with Cowlishaw's opinion. 3 of the 4 have in fact, a large body and track record of quality work. And even Kubiak has a good track record as a coordinator. I'm not sure what he's using as "greatness", but all of these guys deserve to be right where they are. These teams didn't achieve the number one and number two rankings in their respective conferences by accident. The cream has clearly risen to the top, this year as much as ever.

I agree with Cowlishaw, for once. I think the key to each team's success is QB play and great defensive play. The anomaly is NE (defensively) but they have a great coach.

These are all good coaches (except BB, who is great) who have had highs and lows and are now enjoying success.

 

[Stash]

I agree with Cowlishaw, for once. I think the key to each team's success is QB play and great defensive play. The anomaly is NE (defensively) but they have a great coach.

And I certainly wouldn't want to discount that huge factor at quarterback. But I also give Kubiak and Co. Credit for keeping it together while Manning struggled and missed time. Somehow, they still managed to win some games...

These are all good coaches (except BB, who is great) who have had highs and lows and are now enjoying success.

All have distinguished themselves at some level in this league for a good length of time. How that compares to the guy we have, I'm not sure...

 

[Zimmy Lives]

And I certainly wouldn't want to discount that huge factor at quarterback. But I also give Kubiak and Co. Credit for keeping it together while Manning struggled and missed time. Somehow, they still managed to win some games...



All have distinguished themselves at some level in this league for a good length of time. How that compares to the guy we have, I'm not sure...

I give Papa Wade more credit for the Broncos keeping it together. He has once again proven he is a great DC. Kubiak gets some credit but, ironically, he reminds me of Garrett. Maybe Garrett needs to be fired (as Kubiak was from the the Texans) in order to improve.

As for the other coaches except BB, I'm just not impressed. We'll have to disagree on this one, Stash.

 

[Stash]

I give Papa Wade more credit for the Broncos keeping it together. He has once again proven he is a great DC. Kubiak gets some credit but, ironically, he reminds me of Garrett. Maybe Garrett needs to be fired (as Kubiak was from the the Texans) in order to improve.

If you have the time, do a search on Kubiak's career as a coach and coordinator and where his side of the ball has ranked. And then compare that to Garrett's. I think you might be surprised and it might change your opinion of him.

As for the other coaches except BB, I'm just not impressed. We'll have to disagree on this one, Stash.

And I'm fine with that. But just last year, when the Panthers looked to be going in the toilet, I was hoping that we would hire Ron Rivera as our next coach (if he were let go) because of my respect for him as a defensive mind and identifier of talent. Too late now!

 

[Zimmy Lives]

If you have the time, do a search on Kubiak's career as a coach and coordinator and where his side of the ball has ranked. And then compare that to Garrett's. I think you might be surprised and it might change your opinion of him.



And I'm fine with that. But just last year, when the Panthers looked to be going in the toilet, I was hoping that we would hire Ron Rivera as our next coach (if he were let go) because of my respect for him as a defensive mind and identifier of talent. Too late now!

I will do more research on Kubiak -- thanks! I always thought his player/coaching career paralleled Garrett's.

As for Rivera, he is the perfect example of why I am not ready to give up on Garrett. Rivera was on the verge of being fired in 2012. I remember him being described as stubborn, conservative, and incapable of change. Sound familiar?

This is make or break for Garrett. he has the tools to get the job done; it needs to happen in 2016.

 

[Stash]

I will do more research on Kubiak -- thanks! I always thought his player/coaching career paralleled Garrett's.

As for Rivera, he is the perfect example of why I am not ready to give up on Garrett. Rivera was on the verge of being fired in 2012. I remember him being described as stubborn, conservative, and incapable of change. Sound familiar?

This is make or break for Garrett. he has the tools to get the job done; it needs to happen in 2016.

If nothing else, I agree on that last line. This is a make or break year for Garrett.

 

[Trendnet]

I disagree with Cowlishaw's opinion. 3 of the 4 have in fact, a large body and track record of quality work. And even Kubiak has a good track record as a coordinator. I'm not sure what he's using as "greatness", but all of these guys deserve to be right where they are. These teams didn't achieve the number one and number two rankings in their respective conferences by accident. The cream has clearly risen to the top, this year as much as ever.

Also interesting to note, 3 of the 4 have been fired from a head coaching position at least once in his career (Arians in college), and the 4th didn't have his contract renewed (as a coordinator). And the coach who didn't have his contract renewed had a 31-32-1 record prior to this season.

 

[Stash]

Also interesting to note, 3 of the 4 have been fired from a head coaching position at least once in his career (Arians in college), and the 4th didn't have his contract renewed (as a coordinator). And the coach who didn't have his contract renewed had a 31-32-1 record prior to this season.

Actually, Rivera's record was 32-31-1, but your point is well taken. He also had a 12-4 season, followed by a letdown season and he also kept his job. In his defense however, he still managed to win his division and get into the playoffs. Hopefully, our coach's path will follow suit.

Another thing that I would note about these final 4 teams. I think the work that their respective GM's have done has been outstanding. Belicheck is seemingly always good, but Elway, Gettleman, and Steve Keim have all done remarkable jobs in giving their coaches quality players too.

 

[chris1995]

It should take them months we had to look at this hot mess for months.

 

[chris1995]

Valley Ranch, April 24th, 2016 - So it's settled? We really struggled this year?

Just a bit !!!!

 

[MRV52]

It should take them months we had to look at this hot mess for months.

The Coaches have to take 1 min and look at themselves. Done.