The Cowboys have been rebuilding under Garrett

[xwalker]

But teams have to turnover the top half too. Otherwise you'll struggle to be cap compliant. The Cowboys don't get an atta boy for making the moves necessary to fit within the salary cap.

It's the state of the NFL. All teams are going to have a lot of turnover over a 3-4 year period. So I'm not sure what your point is.

If the Cowboys are rebuilding, then I LOL at their attempt considering how weak this team remains in the trenches. You don't rebuild spending 50 million on a cornerback and 1st and 2nd round picks on another.

If that's the foundation we're laying, you might want to check the builder's business license.

I never said that that they are better or did it exactly the right way, just that they have been rebuilding. I agree that it would be preferable to see more investment in the Lines; although, 2 of the past 3 first round picks were OLinemen. IMO, they've only made 2 really bad choices during Garrett's tenure.
1. Giving Ratliff a new contract when he had multiple years on the previous one.
2. Franchising Spencer the 2nd time which required them to restructure Ratliff's contract. Although this was not a good choice, I did see it as progress as compared to giving Spencer a huge, multi-year contract. I have a feeling that these were Jerry moves that probably didn't fit what Garrett is trying to accomplish.

The value of CBs in today's pass happy league is not an absolute in terms or pro or con when rebuilding. Signing Carr was a reasonable decision. He was a young player that had been healthy in his career. Claiborne was widely considered the best DB and by some the best defensive player in his draft class. Yes, it's a highly debatable move, but not one that can be considered an absolute bad decision at the time. Either of these moves were drastically more reasonable than the Roy Williams or Joey Galloway trades.

We'll see this off-season if pro-rebuild forces within the organization win or if the Jerry method of old wins. The key will be Hatcher and Ware. A big contract to Hatcher is not a good idea regardless of how well he has played. He is just too old at this point for a really big contract. If they cut Ware, then it will be a definite sign that things have changed.

 

[Risen Star]

I never said that that they are better or did it exactly the right way, just that they have been rebuilding. I agree that it would be preferable to see more investment in the Lines; although, 2 of the past 3 first round picks were OLinemen. IMO, they've only made 2 really bad choices during Garrett's tenure.
1. Giving Ratliff a new contract when he had multiple years on the previous one.
2. Franchising Spencer the 2nd time which required them to restructure Ratliff's contract. Although this was not a good choice, I did see it as progress as compared to giving Spencer a huge, multi-year contract. I have a feeling that these were Jerry moves that probably didn't fit what Garrett is trying to accomplish.

The value of CBs in today's pass happy league is not an absolute in terms or pro or con when rebuilding. Signing Carr was a reasonable decision. He was a young player that had been healthy in his career. Claiborne was widely considered the best DB and by some the best defensive player in his draft class. Yes, it's a highly debatable move, but not one that can be considered an absolute bad decision at the time. Either of these moves were drastically more reasonable than the Roy Williams or Joey Galloway trades.

We'll see this off-season if pro-rebuild forces within the organization win or if the Jerry method of old wins. The key will be Hatcher and Ware. A big contract to Hatcher is not a good idea regardless of how well he has played. He is just too old at this point for a really big contract. If they cut Ware, then it will be a definite sign that things have changed.

When you turn 50 million free agent dollars and 1st and 2nd round picks into 2 players, you're not in rebuild mode. That's a move a team makes when it's trying to win this year.

Of course doing it for two cornerbacks makes is impossible to win, but that was their mindset. Nothing about rebuilding at all.

 

[xwalker]

When you turn 50 million free agent dollars and 1st and 2nd round picks into 2 players, you're not in rebuild mode. That's a move a team makes when it's trying to win this year.

Of course doing it for two cornerbacks makes is impossible to win, but that was their mindset. Nothing about rebuilding at all.

In the modern NFL there is an abundance of parity. Acquiring 2 young players that you project as near the top of the league in talent at their position is not a win now only move. A team that is trying to win now adds 6 free agents over the age of 30 like the example that I gave of the 49ers. A win now move was the Texans signing 35 year old Ed Reed to a 3 year, 15M contract.

They Cowboys have made enough mistakes, you don't need to exaggerate what has actually transpired.

 

[Risen Star]

In the modern NFL there is an abundance of parity. Acquiring 2 young players that you project as near the top of the league in talent at their position is not a win now only move. A team that is trying to win now adds 6 free agents over the age of 30 like the example that I gave of the 49ers. A win now move was the Texans signing 35 year old Ed Reed to a 3 year, 15M contract.

They Cowboys have made enough mistakes, you don't need to exaggerate what has actually transpired.

I'm exaggerating? You're trying to sell people on the idea a team that sold out on two cornerbacks is in rebuild mode and I'm the one exaggerating?

If a team is truly looking to rebuild, they wouldn't unload so many resources on those two players. Because they'd have too many other areas to address.

The Cowboys have been rebuilding the last 3 years like any other team. It's the state of the NFL. Only the Cowboys, with their abortion they call a salary cap, must go even younger to field a roster that's cap compliant.

They retool year to year. Rebuilding is simply not accurate.

 

[Matts4313]

I made this thread last year during the season, and a again a few months ago. About ~50% of the people will agree, the other 50% will call you a Garrett Lover and not actually read or discuss anything.

 

[theSHOW]

Good riddance Wade Phillips...I sure miss the Williams triplets at LB

 

[Common Sense]

I don't believe that the Cowboys are rebuilding. I believe that Jerry Jones still hasn't figured out how to manage the salary cap.

 

[xwalker]

I'm exaggerating? You're trying to sell people on the idea a team that sold out on two cornerbacks is in rebuild mode and I'm the one exaggerating?

If a team is truly looking to rebuild, they wouldn't unload so many resources on those two players. Because they'd have too many other areas to address.

The Cowboys have been rebuilding the last 3 years like any other team. It's the state of the NFL. Only the Cowboys, with their abortion they call a salary cap, must go even younger to field a roster that's cap compliant.

They retool year to year. Rebuilding is simply not accurate.

No, retooling is what the Texans and 49ers did in my examples.

In my OP, I called it a non-QB rebuild. That indicates that it is something less than a 100% gut the team rebuild but more than a simple retooling. It is Semantics as to exactly what you call it.

The fact is that the majority of the players on the roster are on the upswing, not on the decline as they were at the beginning of the 2010 season. Whatever you want to call it, there is a significant difference between the makeup of that 2010 roster and the 2013 roster. One was a roster full of declining players. The other is a roster with a bare minimum of declining type players.

 

[xwalker]

I'm exaggerating? You're trying to sell people on the idea a team that sold out on two cornerbacks is in rebuild mode and I'm the one exaggerating?

If a team is truly looking to rebuild, they wouldn't unload so many resources on those two players. Because they'd have too many other areas to address.

The Cowboys have been rebuilding the last 3 years like any other team. It's the state of the NFL. Only the Cowboys, with their abortion they call a salary cap, must go even younger to field a roster that's cap compliant.

They retool year to year. Rebuilding is simply not accurate.

FYI, I find it unfortunate that you let your emotions get the best of you when discussing the Cowboys. During the draft, when discussing non-Cowboys specific issues, you have a lot of terrific input; however, as soon as the subject is Jerry, Garrett or Phil Costa, and anything related to the Cowboys and Cornerbacks, you become an extremist.