The Cowboys' opportunity and what the Red Sox did with their

[waldoputty]

This may sound crazy but there is a parallel here.
BTW, I am not a Red Sox fan.

The Red Sox had a whole bunch of young talent and were so close to getting to the world series.
But yet they did not quite get there.

What did they do?
They got David Price after 2015 season, an ace pitcher.
How did he do - not well.

So what did they do after that after the 2016 season?
They doubled down.
They traded for another Ace pitcher with a 3 year contract.
Now they have a 3 year window in which they are a predominant favorite to win it all.

 

[CATCH17]

This may sound crazy but there is a parallel here.
BTW, I am not a Red Sox fan.

The Red Sox had a whole bunch of young talent and were so close to getting to the world series.
But yet they did not quite get there.

What did they do?
They got David Price after 2015 season, an ace pitcher.
How did he do - not well.

So what did they do after that after the 2016 season?
They doubled down.
They traded for another Ace pitcher with a 3 year contract.
Now they have a 3 year window in which they are a predominant favorite to win it all.

Baseball has no salary cap. The NFL does. We can't just go sign everyone.


We had the opportunity and unfortunately we blew it.


I really think we win the Superbowl if we could've just got past Rodgers and his mobility. We were so scared that he would get out of the pocket and make a play.

 

[waldoputty]

Baseball has no salary cap. The NFL does. We can't just go sign everyone.

We had the opportunity and unfortunately we blew it.

I really think we win the Superbowl if we could've just got past Rodgers and his mobility. We were so scared that he would get out of the pocket and make a play.

As it has been repeatedly point out, we can easily open up $30Million this year because of the unprecedented escalating cap for the next 5 years.
That is plenty to sign 3 premium free agents and resign the important people.

And that would open a 3-4 year window before the cap blows up.
After that, we would need to reload via the draft anyway due to retirement of Dez and who knows whether Zeke can last more than 5 years.
So a 1-2 down years would allow drafting WR1 and Rb and more before the next 3-4 year window.
This is all possible due to finding the franchise QB and having the OL signed for many many years.

 

[TheHerd]

Funny you being this thread up. I am a Red Sox fan - and you have to go back the when they actually went for it in the early 2000's by signing Shilling and Martinez and just said screw it, we're gonna create a team too good to lose. Even then it took a little luck to win it all. As a Cowboys fan too, I feel an eerily similar fate as being a Red Sox fan through the 70s,80s, and 90s. SOOOOO close, but never quite good enough. And always close enough to have lots of excuses!

But as it has been said, there's no cap so we can't do that here.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

As it has been repeatedly point out, we can easily open up $30Million this year because of the unprecedented escalating cap for the next 5 years.
That is plenty to sign 3 premium free agents and resign the important people.

And that would open a 3-4 year window before the cap blows up.
After that, we would need to reload via the draft anyway due to retirement of Dez and who knows whether Zeke can last more than 5 years.
So a 1-2 down years would allow drafting WR1 and Rb and more before the next 3-4 year window.
This is all possible due to finding the franchise QB and having the OL signed for many many years.

Every team I'd getting the same salary cap increases.

All that new money does is inflate free agency costs.

Baseball is not football.

 

[waldoputty]

Every team I'd getting the same salary cap increases.

All that new money does is inflate free agency costs.

Baseball is not football.

Absolutely true.
But not every team is in a position to make a run.
The right kind of player will want to go to a contender.

Baseball is not football.
But going for the prize while you have the opportunity is an universal approach.

 

[waldoputty]

Funny you being this thread up. I am a Red Sox fan - and you have to go back the when they actually went for it in the early 2000's by signing Shilling and Martinez and just said screw it, we're gonna create a team too good to lose. Even then it took a little luck to win it all. As a Cowboys fan too, I feel an eerily similar fate as being a Red Sox fan through the 70s,80s, and 90s. SOOOOO close, but never quite good enough. And always close enough to have lots of excuses!

But as it has been said, there's no cap so we can't do that here.

We can easily open up $30 Million - as @bkight13
We can even open $50 million if we want to.
Saying there is no cap is just an excuse.

Yes this approach will ultimately blow the cap up in 4 years.
But tanking 4 years from now for 1-2 years is in our advantage.
We still keep Dak and the OL as the foundation.
Tanking gets us the draft picks to replace Dez and if necessary Zeke, plus add a couple other players.

 

[waldoputty]

Funny you being this thread up. I am a Red Sox fan - and you have to go back the when they actually went for it in the early 2000's by signing Shilling and Martinez and just said screw it, we're gonna create a team too good to lose. Even then it took a little luck to win it all. As a Cowboys fan too, I feel an eerily similar fate as being a Red Sox fan through the 70s,80s, and 90s. SOOOOO close, but never quite good enough. And always close enough to have lots of excuses!

But as it has been said, there's no cap so we can't do that here.

That is just an argument to do nothing to me.
I would much rather have a team that has too many good players that a team with gaping holes in the D.
If we have too many good players, we can always do some trades for draft picks or cheaper players.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Baseball has less variance because of the way the playoffs are played in series, so brute force roster building is more likely to work. If this was like baseball, we would have beaten the Packers 4-1 after dropping the first game, and Tyron Smith would have clubbed a 550 foot homer in the final game.

 

[Nightman]

Funny you being this thread up. I am a Red Sox fan - and you have to go back the when they actually went for it in the early 2000's by signing Shilling and Martinez and just said screw it, we're gonna create a team too good to lose. Even then it took a little luck to win it all. As a Cowboys fan too, I feel an eerily similar fate as being a Red Sox fan through the 70s,80s, and 90s. SOOOOO close, but never quite good enough. And always close enough to have lots of excuses!

But as it has been said, there's no cap so we can't do that here.

The Red Sox weren't cursed...they were cheap
The Cubs weren't cursed...they were cheap and content

They started winning when they started spending money.......but they didn't waste it like the NYYankees......they used analytics to pinpoint values and hidden gems

DAL has a cap but they can maximize it by using their cash reserves to spend well over the cap

Using large signing bonuses and restructures they can create 30-50% above the cap

 

[willia451]

You don't need a Super Team to make it to the NFCCG or AFCCG or the SB.

Just ask the teams that seem to make it there every other year and sometimes win them. We beat GB in their house. Yet they are there. We beat Pittsburgh in their house. Yet. There they are. The Pats have a bad defense and their starting QB missed 4 games. Don't even have Gronk. There they are. In fact, all four teams left have big problems on Defense. Some on offense as well.

Yet............they made it.

I wish people would just admit we got out-coached, again, and leave it at that.

 

[waldoputty]

Baseball has less variance because of the way the playoffs are played in series, so brute force roster building is more likely to work. If this was like baseball, we would have beaten the Packers 4-1 after dropping the first game, and Tyron Smith would have clubbed a 550 foot homer in the final game.

True, when the variance is larger, you move the average more.
So a larger overkill is needed to reduce the risk of failure.

 

[waldoputty]

You don't need a Super Team to make it to the NFCCG or AFCCG or the SB.

Just ask the teams that seem to make it there every other year and sometimes win them. We beat GB in their house. Yet they are there. We beat Pittsburgh in their house. Yet. There they are. The Pats have a bad defense and their starting QB missed 4 games. Don't even have Gronk. There they are. In fact, all four teams left have big problems on Defense. Some on offense as well.

Yet............they made it.

I wish people would just admit we got out-coached, again, and leave it at that.

We did get out coached.
But there is no reason not to get the best team we can.
There are teams with 10% to win it all and there are the patriots with a 35% chance.
I want 35%, not 10%.
Brady is getting old so it is our great opportunity.
Especially when a salary cap explosion in 4 years is IN OUR ADVANTAGE because it would allow us to restock at WR1, RB and couple other positions.

 

[willia451]

We did get out coached.
But there is no reason not to get the best team we can.
There are teams with 10% to win it all and there are the patriots with a 35% chance.
I want 35%, not 10%.
Brady is getting old so it is our great opportunity.
Especially when a salary cap explosion in 4 years is IN OUR ADVANTAGE because it would allow us to restock at WR1, RB and couple other positions.

If you are not going to use those elite players you are getting in situations that demand it, like we didn't use Zeke. What difference does it make?

The players are simply the tools.

But I get it. And you're right. Why not get the best players you can? Makes sense. Let's start with upgrading the DL please.

 

[KJJ]

I would have to look through the league but not many have blown the opportunities the Cowboys have the past 10 years, having TWO 13 win teams that earned the #1 seed go one and done at HOME to teams they beat during the regular season.

 

[waldoputty]

If you are not going to use those elite players you are getting in situations that demand it, like we didn't use Zeke. What difference does it make?

The players are simply the tools.

But I get it. And you're right. Why not get the best players you can? Makes sense. Let's start with upgrading the DL please.

Yep, we are in agreement.
And I want to emphasize that a salary cap explosion in 4 years is IN OUR ADVANTAGE because it would allow us to restock at WR1, RB and couple other positions.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

This may sound crazy but there is a parallel here.
BTW, I am not a Red Sox fan.

The Red Sox had a whole bunch of young talent and were so close to getting to the world series.
But yet they did not quite get there.

What did they do?
They got David Price after 2015 season, an ace pitcher.
How did he do - not well.

So what did they do after that after the 2016 season?
They doubled down.
They traded for another Ace pitcher with a 3 year contract.
Now they have a 3 year window in which they are a predominant favorite to win it all.

Ortiz is gone.
They wont sniff another world series for another 86 years.

 

[waldoputty]

Ortiz is gone.
They wont sniff another world series for another 86 years.

We have our Ortiz - his name is Dak (or Zeke)
And I am not a Red Sox fan.

 

[Jake]

You don't need a Super Team to make it to the NFCCG or AFCCG or the SB.

Just ask the teams that seem to make it there every other year and sometimes win them. We beat GB in their house. Yet they are there. We beat Pittsburgh in their house. Yet. There they are. The Pats have a bad defense and their starting QB missed 4 games. Don't even have Gronk. There they are. In fact, all four teams left have big problems on Defense. Some on offense as well.

Yet............they made it.

I wish people would just admit we got out-coached, again, and leave it at that.

Right, because why look at the entire team when you have a convenient scapegoat available? We don't even need any new players. Just fire Garrett and all of our problems will be solved.

 

[T-RO]

Every team I'd getting the same salary cap increases.

All that new money does is inflate free agency costs.

Baseball is not football.

Exactly. Suppose we can move the chairs around and create $20-25 mil. With the increase in the cap maybe we are at $30 available (after our we dig out of the red)...

Most teams will have far more available to spend--some teams with twice as much-- and there are 32 teams all eye-balling the top free agents.

If we can get one impact defender and enough to even out our own free agency losses ...I'll be very happy.