The Cowboys Record this season will be?

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SkinsFan28;2879104 said:
And my realistic base is this: we went 8-8 last season, going 3-3 in the division, and our D was #4 in total defense even with being #24 in Sacks, and #28 in TO's. People can play the negative game about AH, but he is going to strengthen our DLine which was our biggest weakness. Our D will keep us in every game, and it will be on the offense to win them. Our offense has a runner who will put up no less than 1300 yds. He is 28, not over the hill yet (but getting there).
7 of our games this year include, the AFC West, Detroit, StLouis, and Tampa Bay. We will win at least 2 Division games, I say more. so to think we will have less than 8 wins is not a very solid position, more so one based in Cowboys Blue, which since this is a Cowboy's board, I understand.

WAS 7@NYG16 NO24@WAS29 ARI17@WAS24 WAS26@DAL24 WAS23@PHI17 STL19@WAS17 CLE11@WAS14 WAS25@DET17 PIT23@WAS6DAL14@WAS10 WAS20 @SEA17 NYG23@WAS7 WAS10@BAL24 WAS13@CIN20 PHI3@WAS10 WAS24@SF27

Here's the 2008 skins game results. Now a win is a win, a loss is a loss and you are what you are. I agree with all that happy horsesquat. But when you using past performance as a guage for furture results, you need to look into the numbers/results and try to derive as much meaning as possible.

The fact your D ranked 4th even though you only ranked #24 and #28 in SACKS and TOs is not a good thing.
I've seen this before with the 2003 Cowboys who ranked #1 in defense that year, yet couldn't generate a pass rush or turnovers. And because of that, they couldn't get people off the field when it really mattered. In reality, they were only slightly above average. They tackled well, they hustled and gave up few big plays. So how did they manage a #1 ranking in gross yards? Because they actually benefited from a weak offense that seldom threaten their opponents. They also seldom turned the ball over.

Does any of this sound familar?

See the skins 2008 defense was not the 4th best in football. Far from it. The gross yardage numbers benefited from a weaker, overly conservative offense.

Look at the results of your 16 games. You didn't win a single game by more than one score. That's unheard of for an 8 win team. Any one of those wins could have gone the other way. Yet amoung the 8 losses, you had sound defeats by margins of 17, 16 and 14. Games which you had little chance of winning.

What that tells me is that you were closer to a 6-7 win team than an 8 win team.
 

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sonnyboy;2879665 said:
WAS 7 @ NYG 16NO 24 @ WAS 29ARI 17 @ WAS 24WAS 26 @ DAL 24WAS 23 @ PHI 17STL 19 @ WAS 17CLE 11 @ WAS 14WAS 25 @ DET 17PIT 23 @ WAS 6DAL 14 @ WAS 10WAS 20 @ SEA 17NYG 23 @ WAS 7WAS 10 @ BAL 24WAS 13 @ CIN 20PHI 3 @ WAS 10WAS 24 @ SF 27

So, glad to see that we beat Philly one week before they played you and we held them to 3 points, you gave them 40+ I believe.

Seems we managed to beat Dallas once when our line was healthy, hmmm.

Seemed to sweep Philly, guess you guys forgot the broom.

It really is a shame we won't play you guys till November.
 

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SkinsFan28;2879712 said:
So, glad to see that we beat Philly one week before they played you and we held them to 3 points, you gave them 40+ I believe.

Seems we managed to beat Dallas once when our line was healthy, hmmm.

Seemed to sweep Philly, guess you guys forgot the broom.

It really is a shame we won't play you guys till November.


You are building yurself up for a BIG letdown. But I wouldn't havit any other way. This will only make your pain and agony that much more intense.
 

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sonnyboy;2879947 said:
You are building yurself up for a BIG letdown. But I wouldn't havit any other way. This will only make your pain and agony that much more intense.
they could win 10 games. like that Commander fan stated they play afc west plus Detroit and St. Louis. division records are gonna play a big part in deciding which NFCE teams get in imo.
 

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sonnyboy;2879665 said:
WAS 7@NYG16 NO24@WAS29 ARI17@WAS24 WAS26@DAL24 WAS23@PHI17 STL19@WAS17 CLE11@WAS14 WAS25@DET17 PIT23@WAS6DAL14@WAS10 WAS20 @SEA17 NYG23@WAS7 WAS10@BAL24 WAS13@CIN20 PHI3@WAS10 WAS24@SF27

Here's the 2008 skins game results. Now a win is a win, a loss is a loss and you are what you are. I agree with all that happy horsesquat. But when you using past performance as a guage for furture results, you need to look into the numbers/results and try to derive as much meaning as possible.

The fact your D ranked 4th even though you only ranked #24 and #28 in SACKS and TOs is not a good thing.
I've seen this before with the 2003 Cowboys who ranked #1 in defense that year, yet couldn't generate a pass rush or turnovers. And because of that, they couldn't get people off the field when it really mattered. In reality, they were only slightly above average. They tackled well, they hustled and gave up few big plays. So how did they manage a #1 ranking in gross yards? Because they actually benefited from a weak offense that seldom threaten their opponents. They also seldom turned the ball over.

Does any of this sound familar?

See the skins 2008 defense was not the 4th best in football. Far from it. The gross yardage numbers benefited from a weaker, overly conservative offense.

Look at the results of your 16 games. You didn't win a single game by more than one score. That's unheard of for an 8 win team. Any one of those wins could have gone the other way. Yet amoung the 8 losses, you had sound defeats by margins of 17, 16 and 14. Games which you had little chance of winning.

What that tells me is that you were closer to a 6-7 win team than an 8 win team.

That's an interesting take, and I agree with most all of what you have written. Having said that, remember we are using that as a base reference for this year. So let's do a little applied history lesson.

1) the team recognized the weakness of the 24/28 ranking, and got 3 players, one proven, one both proven and questionable, and one unproven to specifically strengthen the weakness of the D. Since we are projecting at this point, based on history, we project that D Hall will significantly increase our turnover ratio. Further we project that AH will result in an increase in qb pressures and sacks. Finally Orakpo, may also increase the pressure thus forcing more 3 and outs, as well as TO's.

2)The 3 major losses were against the #1, #2, and #4 defenses of last year and also either without or with an injured Samuels, I am willing to concede our offensive inability to that group without our top lineman in top form. However, in our projections for this year we have to look at the teams we will be facing. Rather than facing the #1 and #2 D's in Pitt and Baltimore, we will face the #29 and #25 D's in SD and Denver, I think we all will agree that Denver's Off is going to be less assertive this year, and so, it is reasonable to project better Offensive outings against these 2 teams. As for the #4 D, the Giants, we were swept the last 2 years, so until we prove it on the field I count both games as losses. Now to be fair, we also played the #3 D twice, and beat them both times, neither game really was in jeopardy. Oh yeah and we split with the #8 D.

And finally, remember we are basing our projections on the reality of the past. In reality, our QB has improved statiscally each year, projecting forward, and accepting conventional wisdom that continuity is a positive, our QB now being in his second year of the same system, should at least maintain, and probably exceed his output of last year, and thus our Offense, again basing it on the past reality that our opposition this year is lesser than that of last year, we can project a more potent, not less potent attack. Will we rival Denver of last year no. But our O will certainly be better equipped to win by more then 7pts against lesser opponents this year.
 

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We still have a way to go in my opinion. It is all going to depend on Romo and how he plays in December, if he continues to do poorly then we don't have a prayer.
 

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Rampage;2879951 said:
they could win 10 games. like that Commander fan stated they play afc west plus Detroit and St. Louis. division records are gonna play a big part in deciding which NFCE teams get in imo.
Why I gotta be scum? LOL (j/k)

see, I really am not trying to troll, I like good football discussions, and I try to be respectful on your board. If we go 6-10, then sonnyboy is correct, my agony will be indeed painful, but I will be here letting you guys take your shots. If we do pull off the offensive growth I hope we see, then I shall good-naturedly remind y'all of this conversation.
 

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Skinsfan28 has always been a respectful poster unless I missed something.

You guys try not to run off the one Commander fan that is not trolling.
 

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I hope I am completly wrong here, but I think we will have several key injuries and at certain positions, we dont have the depth we need. Because of OL injuries which will be the cause of other, even more important time lost, I am predicting 7-9. Again, I just hope we can stay healthy and the numbers will be better. I also am expecting 2 losses each to the giants and eagles.
 

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SkinsFan28;2879965 said:
Why I gotta be scum? LOL (j/k)

see, I really am not trying to troll, I like good football discussions, and I try to be respectful on your board. If we go 6-10, then sonnyboy is correct, my agony will be indeed painful, but I will be here letting you guys take your shots. If we do pull off the offensive growth I hope we see, then I shall good-naturedly remind y'all of this conversation.
I call all Commander fans scum. you seem pretty cool so it's not personal just a habit. if you do get 10 wins it will be because of your defense. i don't think your offense will be much different. I just don't think Campbell will make a big jump in improvement to put your offense to the next level. your D should generate a little more pressure with fat Albert. Orakpo(sp) is learning a new position so i don't think he will help that much atleast this season.
 

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There is no way they lose at KC please explain if we are fully healthy then how do we lose to them
 

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DallasEast;2879386 said:
You claim to have seen both movies, but when you attempted to use roman numerals in order to distinguish one from the other, the result was a "typo", correct?

Movies in question -

Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (incorrect)
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (correct)

http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/keyboardlogic.png

A: Regardless whether one actually knows either how to type or simply pecks at keys, the greater probability exists that one finger on one hand consciously pressed two different keys or two fingers (one belonging to the left and right hands) consciously pressed two different keys.


B: Regardless whether one actually knows either how to type or pecks at the keys, press twice and no typo.






Your explanation is illogical. Hey! Doug Williams quarterbacked Washington to a Super Bowl XXVI victory!

No? It was Super XXII ? Must have been a typo! Fancy that! haHA! http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/Spocklaughing.png



OMG classic.

And to think, you took the time to photoshop that......LOL

:lmao2: :bow: :laugh2:
 

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SkinsFan28;2879965 said:
Why I gotta be scum? LOL (j/k)

see, I really am not trying to troll, I like good football discussions, and I try to be respectful on your board. If we go 6-10, then sonnyboy is correct, my agony will be indeed painful, but I will be here letting you guys take your shots. If we do pull off the offensive growth I hope we see, then I shall good-naturedly remind y'all of this conversation.

Yo Mama!
 

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I dont see where all the pessimism is coming from. They won 9 games last season with a tougher schedule, without Romo for 3 games and with a battered Oline. No way they win less then 9 games this season.
 
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