The Cowboys Record this season will be?

[JohnnyHopkins]

I would go 10-6 with a wild-card birth.

 

[SkinsFan28]

This isn't true either. You're projected last in most Pro Football Publication because you have no QB, JC is terrible and your frtofc knows it and so does the rest of the league. Remember. yall pimped him all offseason and Denver even choose Kyle Orton over him, Kyle Orton. It doesn't help that JC is throwing to 2 midgets in Moss and El cause you can't get your 2 2nd rd picks in DT and MK on the field AGAIN this year cause they stay hurt as well. JZ just said the other day that its hard to develop any chemistry on O cause everybody is hurt. You're OL is just one of many problems yall have... Just saying dude, tell the entire story. There's a reason the media is picking yall to finish DEAD LAST in the east, AGAIN.

The media has a great job of forecasting(cough cough Arizona), but even in that, when they pick us last in the East, it is as much acknowledging the strength of the whole division. (if you need to see this, I will have to look up links, I know Adam Schien and Wilcott are high on Campbell but don't like the Skins chances cuz they are in the East.) Bottom line, I am going off of a touch of hope, some reasonable expectation that some of our players step up, and the legitimate numbers that the teams posted last year (defensively)

I gave my predictions, but I certainly understand the antagonism. I am saying that there were changes made, that most of the media missed, or doesnt care to see.
A lot of what you are saying goes back to the glass half empty version of the story, and I get it, we have to see production from guys who are question marks. I think, and I am speaking as a Commanders homer, that most of the questionable players are going to step up.

Certainly can't wait till the season begins!

 

[SkinsFan28]

Huh!!!

my bad, Star Trek 2 Wrath of Khan. Spock told Kirk the damage report over an unsecure channel and "lied".

Khan comes around expecting to see a limping Enterprise, and instead sees one with impulse power, some weapons. And he says something to the effect of "there she is, not as damaged as we were led to believe".

Sorry for the 2/4 error, just made a mistake.

 

[sonnyboy]

One other thing, it's quite easy to take the worst case scenario in every item, which is what you have done. And it could turn out you are correct. I am not in Wonderland, I simply said, most people could be surprised by the Skins line. Mainly because most of the media has portrayed it as you have.

I know when I have homer glasses on, and I love wearing them. But, the Oline issue is one where I am just saying that people are so downplaying us due to it, that most will be surprised when its not as damaged as they have been led to believe (Remember Star Trek IV when the Enterprise came around the planet, still damaged, but able to put up a fight)

You can play the positive/negative game with any team. But you need a realistic base to work from rooted in the teams recent past results.

Could the 2009 Commanders go 10-6? Absolutely. If the 2003 Cowboys could pull it off, certainly this skins team could.
You could have all the planets align just right. Stay healthy, have the schedule break just right and have JC play his best season.

But at the end of the season you'll be just where the 2003 Cowboys were. You'll be in the play-offs, but you will also have clearly demonstrated that you can not compete with the best teams, when playing thier best.

You'll have a lot of close wins, maybe a couple nice upsets. But you will have multiple games where you're non-competitive. Where's it's obvious you had no chance from the start.

I think you're defense could be very good. But your offense will probably be one of the worst in football.
Your OL has far more questions than answers. You best offensive skill players(Moss and Protis) are older and spent as much time injured as they did healthy in 2008.
Most concerning is your QB. It's the most significant position on a football team and you have it occupied by perhpas your worst starting player.
JC can not play in this league. At least not as a starter for a winning team. He brings very little to the table. He doesn't read D's all that well, he's not accurate and has a slow release.
He's a classic tease because he does have a strong arm and he is a big strong guy. He just doesn't have any of the important QB skills, that make you an effective player.

The skins have too much defensive talent to not win 5 games. But I have a hard time seeing you win anymore than 7. I'll go with 6 wins.
Unless, you replace JC with an effective QB.

 

[Mansta54]

The media has a great job of forecasting(cough cough Arizona), but even in that, when they pick us last in the East, it is as much acknowledging the strength of the whole division. (if you need to see this, I will have to look up links, I know Adam Schien and Wilcott are high on Campbell but don't like the Skins chances cuz they are in the East.) Bottom line, I am going off of a touch of hope, some reasonable expectation that some of our players step up, and the legitimate numbers that the teams posted last year (defensively)

I gave my predictions, but I certainly understand the antagonism. I am saying that there were changes made, that most of the media missed, or doesnt care to see.
A lot of what you are saying goes back to the glass half empty version of the story, and I get it, we have to see production from guys who are question marks. I think, and I am speaking as a Commanders homer, that most of the questionable players are going to step up.

Certainly can't wait till the season begins!

The media or anyone else didn't overlook the changes your frtofc made, particularly to your aging and often injured OL. The changes were so insignificant that noone sees them as making a big difference in your seasons projected outcome. The NFL microscope is HUGE, the media isn't going to miss anything worth noticing and that sums up my point...

 

[Mansta54]

You can play the positive/negative game with any team. But you need a realistic base to work from rooted in the teams recent past results.

Could the 2009 Commanders go 10-6? Absolutely. If the 2003 Cowboys could pull it off, certainly this skins team could.
You could have all the planets align just right. Stay healthy, have the schedule break just right and have JC play his best season.

But at the end of the season you'll be just where the 2003 Cowboys were. You'll be in the play-offs, but you will also have clearly demonstrated that you can not compete with the best teams, when playing thier best.

You'll have a lot of close wins, maybe a couple nice upsets. But you will have multiple games where you're non-competitive. Where's it's obvious you had no chance from the start.

I think you're defense could be very good. But your offense will probably be one of the worst in football.
Your OL has far more questions than answers. You best offensive skill players(Moss and Protis) are older and spent as much time injured as they did healthy in 2008.
Most concerning is your QB. It's the most significant position on a football team and you have it occupied by perhpas your worst starting player.
JC can not play in this league. At least not as a starter for a winning team. He brings very little to the table. He doesn't read D's all that well, he's not accurate and has a slow release.
He's a classic tease because he does have a strong arm and he is a big strong guy. He just doesn't have any of the important QB skills, that make you an effective player.

The skins have too much defensive talent to not win 5 games. But I have a hard time seeing you win anymore than 7. I'll go with 6 wins.
Unless, you replace JC with an effective QB.

 

[SkinsFan28]

You can play the positive/negative game with any team. But you need a realistic base to work from rooted in the teams recent past results.

....

And my realistic base is this: we went 8-8 last season, going 3-3 in the division, and our D was #4 in total defense even with being #24 in Sacks, and #28 in TO's. People can play the negative game about AH, but he is going to strengthen our DLine which was our biggest weakness. Our D will keep us in every game, and it will be on the offense to win them. Our offense has a runner who will put up no less than 1300 yds. He is 28, not over the hill yet (but getting there).
7 of our games this year include, the AFC West, Detroit, StLouis, and Tampa Bay. We will win at least 2 Division games, I say more. so to think we will have less than 8 wins is not a very solid position, more so one based in Cowboys Blue, which since this is a Cowboy's board, I understand.

 

[Mansta54]

And my realistic base is this: we went 8-8 last season, going 3-3 in the division, and our D was #4 in total defense even with being #24 in Sacks, and #28 in TO's. People can play the negative game about AH, but he is going to strengthen our DLine which was our biggest weakness. Our D will keep us in every game, and it will be on the offense to win them. Our offense has a runner who will put up no less than 1300 yds. He is 28, not over the hill yet (but getting there).
7 of our games this year include, the AFC West, Detroit, StLouis, and Tampa Bay. We will win at least 2 Division games, I say more. so to think we will have less than 8 wins is not a very solid position, more so one based in Cowboys Blue, which since this is a Cowboy's board, I understand.

Chu Chu could run for 1800yrds and it wouldn't matter cause your sorry offense lead by a QB that your own frtofc doesn't want can't generate points. You have to score pts in any league and your O doesn't do that. Chu Chu can run all day but unless he crosses the goal line it really doesn't matter.

 

[SkinsFan28]

The media or anyone else didn't overlook the changes your frtofc made, particularly to your aging and often injured OL. The changes were so insignificant that noone sees them as making a big difference in your seasons projected outcome. The NFL microscope is HUGE, the media isn't going to miss anything worth noticing and that sums up my point...

See, and yet the media missed Arizona, Miami, Atlanta. They overshot on the Cowboys and San Diego.

I am repeating here since you like to ignore the reality of what the FO did do.

Our starting OLine, had us 6-2, beating NO, Arizona, Dallas, Philadelphia. After losing Samuels, and Heyer, and having a 35 year old Guard in Kendall we went 2-6, losing to Baltimore, Pitts. Giants, and Dallas for example.

Our FO fired the backups that could not keep up either due to age, or lack of ability. They brought back a relatively young guard in Dockery who has had his best years playing besides Samuels. They brought in Bridges, who is a proven starter in the league. They have two backups who were rookies last year, and have a solid potential upside.

Am I worried about when Samuels goes down, yes. Just as I expect you will be when Flozell is out for a few games. Can we play ball with the teams on our schedule this year. Absolutely.

 

[Big Dakota]

You haven't won the Div. in 10 years. You've finished last 3 out of the last 5 years and 3rd once. On paper the Giants, Cowboys and Eagles are all better. Your Vegas over/under win odds are 7.5 The skins are what they are, a last place NFC East team. Maybe 3rd if they stay healthy and get lucky and win 9.

 

[Mansta54]

And my realistic base is this: we went 8-8 last season, going 3-3 in the division, and our D was #4 in total defense even with being #24 in Sacks, and #28 in TO's. People can play the negative game about AH, but he is going to strengthen our DLine which was our biggest weakness. Our D will keep us in every game, and it will be on the offense to win them. Our offense has a runner who will put up no less than 1300 yds. He is 28, not over the hill yet (but getting there).
7 of our games this year include, the AFC West, Detroit, StLouis, and Tampa Bay. We will win at least 2 Division games, I say more. so to think we will have less than 8 wins is not a very solid position, more so one based in Cowboys Blue, which since this is a Cowboy's board, I understand.

Most Pro analyst have yall at 8 wins or less ant they aren't on a Cowboys board.. Jus sayin!!!!

 

[Mansta54]

See, and yet the media missed Arizona, Miami, Atlanta. They overshot on the Cowboys and San Diego.

I am repeating here since you like to ignore the reality of what the FO did do.

Our starting OLine, had us 6-2, beating NO, Arizona, Dallas, Philadelphia. After losing Samuels, and Heyer, and having a 35 year old Guard in Kendall we went 2-6, losing to Baltimore, Pitts. Giants, and Dallas for example.

Our FO fired the backups that could not keep up either due to age, or lack of ability. They brought back a relatively young guard in Dockery who has had his best years playing besides Samuels. They brought in Bridges, who is a proven starter in the league. They have two backups who were rookies last year, and have a solid potential upside.

Am I worried about when Samuels goes down, yes. Just as I expect you will be when Flozell is out for a few games. Can we play ball with the teams on our schedule this year. Absolutely.

That was when your OL was healthy. The season hasn't started yet and they're injured already. The season is a 16 game season, not 8.. OMG!!!! Bridges is average, your rookies from last year aren't promising at all. I guess you haven't heard Bugle speak on them. You still don't have a RT.

 

[SkinsFan28]

It's a head scratcher alright, seeing that the original Enterprise starship was destroyed near the end of the third film; and that the crew was seen flying around in a Klingon Bird of Prey starship throughout the majority of the fourth installment.

The golden rule of NFL fans resurfaces yet again:

Some Commanders fans know very little about a great many things.

Seriously, please don't try to play a simple typo, 2 vs 4, into some grander thing. I am confident that you are an intelligent person, so I suppose you haven't made a typo before.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Seems like 8-8 only if SD rests starters......

:suxskins:


1 Sep 13 WAS @ NYG Loss

2 Sep 20 STL @ WAS Win

3 Sep 27 WAS @ DET Win

4 Oct 04 TB @ WAS Win

5 Oct 11 WAS @ CAR loss

6 Oct 18 KC @ WAS Win

7 Oct 26 PHI @ WAS Loss

8 Bye
9 Nov 08 WAS @ ATL Loss

10 Nov 15 DEN @ WAS Win

11 Nov 22 WAS @ DAL Loss

12 Nov 29 WAS @ PHI Loss

13 Dec 06 NO @ WAS Loss

14 Dec 13 WAS @ OAK Win

15 Dec 21 NYG @ WAS Win

16 Dec 27 DAL @ WAS Loss

17 Jan 03 WAS @ SD Win resting starters

 

[SkinsFan28]

Seems like 8-8 only if SD rests starters......

:suxskins:


1 Sep 13 WAS @ NYG Loss

2 Sep 20 STL @ WAS Win

3 Sep 27 WAS @ DET Win

4 Oct 04 TB @ WAS Win

5 Oct 11 WAS @ CAR loss

6 Oct 18 KC @ WAS Win

7 Oct 26 PHI @ WAS Loss

8 Bye
9 Nov 08 WAS @ ATL Loss

10 Nov 15 DEN @ WAS Win

11 Nov 22 WAS @ DAL Loss

12 Nov 29 WAS @ PHI Loss

13 Dec 06 NO @ WAS Loss

14 Dec 13 WAS @ OAK Win

15 Dec 21 NYG @ WAS Win

16 Dec 27 DAL @ WAS Loss

17 Jan 03 WAS @ SD Win resting starters

Just a reminder, that we swept Philly last season, we will at least split, and if they keep imploding due to injuries, they may really be in bad shape. The Cowboys won't sweep us, guaranteed, and we beat NO last year, so it's even money on that this year. so, that would take it to 10 -11 wins, and I don't care a hoot whether Norv rests his starters or not, he will be a lame duck by then...

You really do prove my point, even in trying to have us lose every game against average opponents or better, we go 8-8. Our schedule, other than the NFC East, really is not a tremendous challenge. I am not saying we are a all time great team, just that this year, with our D, and an equivalent, or slightly better, O than last year, we will do no worse than 9-7. And you have us at 4-3 after 7 games, losing to Philly, I said all the NFC E teams would have 5 wins by in 8 games, certainly that part you can agree with too.

It's been fun, let's see now how the games play out.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Just a reminder, that we swept Philly last season, we will at least split, and if they keep imploding due to injuries, they may really be in bad shape. The Cowboys won't sweep us, guaranteed, and we beat NO last year, so it's even money on that this year. so, that would take it to 10 -11 wins, and I don't care a hoot whether Norv rests his starters or not, he will be a lame duck by then...

you haven't won 10 games in years

lol at 11

face it, you'll be in your usual last place position again

 

[SkinsFan28]

you haven't won 10 games in years

lol at 11

face it, you'll be in your usual last place position again

and yet we've won a playoff game since you last did. The past is the past.

Let's see it on the field.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

and yet we've won a playoff game since you last did. The past is the past.

Let's see it on the field.

yeah, let's see it

and until then, you're last place

 

[ScipioCowboy]

my bad, Star Trek 2 Wrath of Khan. Spock told Kirk the damage report over an unsecure channel and "lied".

Khan comes around expecting to see a limping Enterprise, and instead sees one with impulse power, some weapons. And he says something to the effect of "there she is, not as damaged as we were led to believe".

Sorry for the 2/4 error, just made a mistake.

Your analogy is flawed because it's incomplete. Even with impulse power restored, the Enterprise still required two additional circumstances to win the confrontation:

1) The Mutara Nebula. The restoration of impulse power simply allowed the Enterprise to escape into the nebula where shielding systems and targeting scanners were useless, thereby negating Kahn's advantages and evening out the odds.

2) Kirk's superior tactical knowledge against Kahn's penchant for two dimensional thinking. The Enterprise was victorious because Kirk had a lifetime experience with starship combat. Meanwhile, Kahn was a maniacal dictator from the 1990s who had virtually no experience with starships and just happened to wind up in the 23rd century.

Now, let's integrate these new factors into your analogy:

1) The Cowboys and Commanders are probably not going to be playing in a dense fog where visibility is skewed.

2) For all of Wade's fault, he's a much better coach than Zorn, and is likely to be less limited in his tactics.

 

[SkinsFan28]

yeah, let's see it

and until then, you're last place

and you are in third. Great.