The Criminal Justice System

[Dallas]

Not true.

Depending on the crime, yes it is true, but I understand you clinging to hope our justice sysem isn't that way.

You read about it everyday. For example look at all of the stars getting off on things you and I would be in jail over.

How many times does a star have to be busted with cocain before they actualy serve any jail time?

That's just an example.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

they had better lawyers

or they were gasp innocent?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Honestly wish that poster would stay out of discussions regarding American law. Our courts are not even close to being how Canada courts are run.

Canada: You killed that man?

Defendant: Yes, your honor. In cold blood.

Canada: 10 years w/ 4 suspended for shortening my schedule by taking a plea.

Please report to a prison near your location within the year.

Baliff, escort this man to his car and give him his free Pizza Hut coupon book.

you don't know crap about Canada and our legal system

if you did you would know that murder up here is automatic life, first degree no parole for 25 years, second can have shorter time before can get parole

of course, how can anyone from Alaska be expected to know anything

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

BS. If OJ had had cheap lawyers he would have been toast. He was able to buy good enough lawyers that were able to pack the jury and throw enough doubt.

it also didn't hurt that the prosecutors were ********, Darden sabotaged his own case by asking OJ to try on the glove

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

They set the Bail at $900,000,000.00

What fool has that kind of money?


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True.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

you don't know crap about Canada and our legal system

if you did you would know that murder up here is automatic life, first degree no parole for 25 years, second can have shorter time before can get parole

of course, how can anyone from Alaska be expected to know anything

Hey, I know a guy through an MMO I once played. A guy from this board also played. But this other guy in my alliance worked at a Canadian prison. He knew a prisoner who posted bail and never faced trial because he fled. I guess since he knew that murder is automatic life, he posted bail and split. He still sends post cards to the guards though. Apparently someone raped his daughter and he killed him, so they're not too worried about catching him.

LOL

 

[casmith07]

Depending on the crime, yes it is true, but I understand you clinging to hope our justice sysem isn't that way.

You read about it everyday. For example look at all of the stars getting off on things you and I would be in jail over.

How many times does a star have to be busted with cocain before they actualy serve any jail time?

That's just an example.

Considering that I live the justice system, no, it isn't true.

Cash does not make reasonable doubt easier to achieve. Only a compelling argument (or blunder by the prosecution) does.

 

[casmith07]

BS. If OJ had had cheap lawyers he would have been toast. He was able to buy good enough lawyers that were able to pack the jury and throw enough doubt.

Nope. Cash doesn't make your argument more compelling to a jury.

That case was sank by the biggest prosecutorial blunder in the history of legal practice, when the prosecution asked the defendant to try on the glove.

Without that, OJ goes to jail for murder. Bank on it.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Nope. Cash doesn't make your argument more compelling to a jury.

That case was sank by the biggest prosecutorial blunder in the history of legal practice, when the prosecution asked the defendant to try on the glove.

Without that, OJ goes to jail for murder. Bank on it.

yep, once it didn't fit, by definition, there was reasonable doubt, biggest mistake in legal history

 

[Denim Chicken]

Nope. Cash doesn't make your argument more compelling to a jury.

That case was sank by the biggest prosecutorial blunder in the history of legal practice, when the prosecution asked the defendant to try on the glove.

Without that, OJ goes to jail for murder. Bank on it.

But your argument becomes more compelling when you have a high-priced lawer who can articulate it as such. If money didn't help why would anyone hire a high-priced lawyer? Also, those who have allot of money are more apt to be in the soptlight, which in turn makes jurys be more careful with thier verdict. You think OJ would have got off if he was a no-named black man from the Bronx with a public defender...Please...

 

[Dallas]

Considering that I live the justice system, no, it isn't true.

Cash does not make reasonable doubt easier to achieve. Only a compelling argument (or blunder by the prosecution) does.

Call me skeptical. I can say I live the legal system as well and claim the same thing as you are doing here. No offense, but when someone says $$$ they mean the ability to afford the best defense team around. Someone who can pay for the best experts and time spent sifting evidence, to find the loopholes etc.

I didn't mean for you to take it that someone was bribing somebody.

Aren't you still going to school, or have you graduated and already taken over NCIS?

 

[Dallas]

But your argument becomes more compelling when you have a high-priced lawer who can articulate it as such. If money didn't help why would anyone hire a high-priced lawyer? Also, those who have allot of money are more apt to be in the soptlight, which in turn makes jurys be more careful with thier verdict. You think OJ would have got off if he was a no-named black man from the Bronx with a public defender...Please...

That was my point all along. The $$ assists by the reasons you are stating. How someone can say otherwise to me seems a bit naive.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

But your argument becomes more compelling when you have a high-priced lawer who can articulate it as such. If money didn't help why would anyone hire a high-priced lawyer? Also, those who have allot of money are more apt to be in the soptlight, which in turn makes jurys be more careful with thier verdict. You think OJ would have got off if he was a no-named black man from the Bronx with a public defender...Please...

he might have given the prosecution wouldn't also have gone balls to the wall to convict

 

[trickblue]

Bernie Madoff didn't and he had a lot more cash than OJ

But he bilked a lot of wealthy, influential people...

 

[Dallas]

But he bilked a lot of wealthy, influential people...

I don't think I would be using Bernie as an example, by reasons you also state here TB.

You don't do what Bernie did and escape. He was going down, regardless. The evidence was rediculous against him.

 

[casmith07]

Call me skeptical. I can say I live the legal system as well and claim the same thing as you are doing here. No offense, but when someone says $$$ they mean the ability to afford the best defense team around. Someone who can pay for the best experts and time spent sifting evidence, to find the loopholes etc.

I didn't mean for you to take it that someone was bribing somebody.

Aren't you still going to school, or have you graduated and already taken over NCIS?

I'm still in school, have participated in trials pro hac vice (student prosecutor) and have helped structure over 15 cases and arguments for the folks I worked with last summer over the past year or so, with crimes ranging from domestic violence to sexual abuse to fraud.

There's actually something to be said for public defenders -- they don't only work as hard as you're paying them.

Or mail it in once they get paid, like so many think players on the Cowboys do.

Food for thought. Ultimately, I stand by my statement -- it doesn't matter how much cash you throw at an attorney. If the prosecution can't cover their bases (Casey Anthony) the defendant will walk.

 

[Dallas]

I'm still in school, have participated in trials pro hac vice (student prosecutor) and have helped structure over 15 cases and arguments for the folks I worked with last summer over the past year or so, with crimes ranging from domestic violence to sexual abuse to fraud.

There's actually something to be said for public defenders -- they don't only work as hard as you're paying them.

Or mail it in once they get paid, like so many think players on the Cowboys do.

Food for thought. Ultimately, I stand by my statement -- it doesn't matter how much cash you throw at an attorney. If the prosecution can't cover their bases (Casey Anthony) the defendant will walk.

Fair enough as long as you still understand where some of us are saying that having the funds for experts and further discovery and investigative work does assist the defendant.

The state has basically unlimited funds for its cases. Not all can say that when defending. Sooner or later the well runs dry.

 

[burmafrd]

I'm still in school, have participated in trials pro hac vice (student prosecutor) and have helped structure over 15 cases and arguments for the folks I worked with last summer over the past year or so, with crimes ranging from domestic violence to sexual abuse to fraud.

There's actually something to be said for public defenders -- they don't only work as hard as you're paying them.

Or mail it in once they get paid, like so many think players on the Cowboys do.

Food for thought. Ultimately, I stand by my statement -- it doesn't matter how much cash you throw at an attorney. If the prosecution can't cover their bases (Casey Anthony) the defendant will walk.

you are incredibly naive if you think that fancy lawyers do not get more people off then cheap ones do.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

you are incredibly naive if you think that fancy lawyers do not get more people off then cheap ones do.

If you want the best trial lawyer in Austin now, for criminal law, it's Bristol Myers. He has the hot hand. Other guys have came and went. Bristol is just getting started. Great, great attorney. Bad attorneys let innocent guys get convicted. I've yet to see this from Bristol. Christian, family guy with a great record and is board certified.

 

[casmith07]

you are incredibly naive if you think that fancy lawyers do not get more people off then cheap ones do.

Get back to me when you start going for your JD. Thanks.