The Dak to Pickens combination shows extremely high potential

[MarcusRock]

It's odd how you feel the need to justify every single comment with an insecure conflict oriented post like that as if anyone who says anything that is less than 100% rah rah cheerleader must be a hater. You do it over and over and over. There are haters (at least half are Eagles fans here IMO) there are blind homer cheerleaders and there are objective fans. It's hard to say between the first two groups who are more annoying as nay Dak thread will show.

You get so upset by anything that isn't saying this team is the greatest thing in the world. Newsflash: we aren't right now. Hopefully we keep building to get there and the way things are going this year, I think we can if the two dopes at the top stay out of the way of the people who know football. On the trade, from what I read 90% of Cowboy fans think Pickens makes them better on the field and most are really happy with the trade. I don't know where you are pulling that from. The trade has been viewed as a coup for Dallas. Ignore the few and focus on the many.

I point it out every time someone other than me notices and he's always like, "nope, nope, not true." But if people want to post while looking over their shoulder that's for them to have to worry about every time they log on.

 

[MarcusRock]

He definitely is not. There is a stat out there saying he leads the league in some way in passer rating on these passes but I think it's likely skewed by a few plays or like you say not true "bombs" that we do see Dak missing on often when guys get behind the defense. But here is what I see as a difference (you are free to disagree). Dak isn't very accurate on deep balls and for Turpin you literally need to put the ball in his hands because he is so small and Cooks is not much different. Who else are our speed guys lately? Pickens is fast, big and also has a big cat radius due to his hands and athletic ability. So if he gets a step or two behind the defense and Dak just gets it in the area I think we will see more of those true go patterns being completed. Plus sometimes as we know it's just the threat of the deep ball that opens up everything else

I think the stat that people love to throw around is that Dak is accurate for what they call "deep" passes of 20+ yards. But when I see long balls, those aren't very good so I went to parse out that data and have 5 past years posted in here now. You see what those numbers show. Despite that, I'm open to see what Dak can do with a dawg like Pickens. Dak did well with long balls in 2020 before getting injured and did good in 2023 too, so he is capable. But there are more paltry years than those good runs so I'm tempering expectations but will surely be watching.

Beware of our resident "I've been a statistician for 100 years" person. He's inaccurate on a couple of things regarding my data because he entered in the middle of the discussion.

 

[MarcusRock]

I mean he only played 8 games in 2024……and he had a bad year. But like I said above he struggled the first 6 games of 2023 and went on to be an All Pro. Hes a slow starter.

Um, you're not answering the question. You asked for more than 1 year so I provided 4 more. Do those 4 mostly resemble the "bad" 2024 or the good 2023?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Um, you're not answering the question. You asked for more than 1 year so I provided 4 more. Do those 4 mostly resemble the "bad" 2024 or the good 2023?

The good 2023.

 

[Spottswoode]

Hey, you can have your insights party if you wish. My data answered MY own question of asking what the raw numbers were on this aspect of Dak's game I've observed to be lacking. Someone pointed out it was only 1 year so I provided more years and they more resembled the 1 paltry year than not. If they aren't Harvard thesis level numbers then I guess you'll have to continue to be affected because QBs don't throw 30+ yards past the LOS every single down hence they are lesser numbers. I wanted to know what they were so I got them. They showed what I thought. I'm good. I believe those not happy with what they showed are the ones looking to be anti. So be it.

Fair enough…and you may ultimately be right in your opinion. I simply pointed out how the basis for your insights were terribly flawed. And there is nothing to be happy or unhappy with concerning what your analysis showed because it didn’t show anything relevant to make a valid judgement.

I tried to keep the discussion adult and not get into the name calling and gloating about who won or lost, unlike a previous discussion you were involved in and what you tried to do with me before I reengaged in the discussion.

You can deflect with your Harvard thesis statements and placebo discussions but I think we have officially Jumped The Shark with the justifications. You have chosen the hill you are going to die on and I have no interest in changing your opinion.

 

[Spottswoode]

I think the stat that people love to throw around is that Dak is accurate for what they call "deep" passes of 20+ yards. But when I see long balls, those aren't very good so I went to parse out that data and have 5 past years posted in here now. You see what those numbers show. Despite that, I'm open to see what Dak can do with a dawg like Pickens. Dak did well with long balls in 2020 before getting injured and did good in 2023 too, so he is capable. But there are more paltry years than those good runs so I'm tempering expectations but will surely be watching.

Beware of our resident "I've been a statistician for 100 years" person. He's inaccurate on a couple of things regarding my data because he entered in the middle of the discussion.

Your deflection is quite comical. And please share what I am inaccurate about. Your sample size is laughably small. Your top performer threw a grand total of 4 passes last year that met your criteria. Mahomes threw 581 passes last year and only 5 met your criteria. Can you not be intellectually honest and admit that is too small of a sample size to draw meaningful conclusions? That’s rhetorical by the way, I have obviously touched a nerve with you.

And by the way, these other people didn’t define +20 as deep passes. That was the definition given by the folks that track the stats.

 

[Rockport]

This may be his best attribute. He doesn't get a ton of separation so he relies on that and his push-off is legendary.

My only concern is that the push-off will be called on him early and often because he'll be wearing the Star and not Steeler yellow and black....just watch for it

Irvin was a master at the push off. Got away with it for years.

 

[plasticman]

Dak's Alvin Harper.