The Dak train is moving too fast

[65fastback2plus2]

Is he playing good manageable football? Sure.

I'll even cut you some slack that he should keep starting (though I disagree).

But this entire "Dak is the future", "Dak will be winning rings for 10 years", "We can quit looking for the next QB" is a pile of pooey.

The quantity of QB's who have looked amazing for a season or 2 handfuls of games and turned out to be nothing is, unfortunately, long.

Just some recent ones.

1) Nick Foles

2013 - 27 TD's, 2 INT's, 119.2 QB rating on the season. Heralded as the next huge QB with the eagles dreaming they can quit looking for a QB.

2) Matt Flynn

2011 - 5 games, 124.8 QB rating on the season. The next "benchrider" supposed to turn super qb.

3) RG3

2012 - 102.4 QB rating. (Even the Commanders were smart enough to pickup cousins in the same draft as insurance)

That doesnt even TOUCH on the top drafted QB's supposed to be something that didnt amount to anything...like Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, and Johnny Manziel.

By no means, should we look at 6 games and be crowning Dak the next heir for the next decade. The train has picked up too much speed.

 

[DFWJC]

Of course not.
Can't crown anyone after 6 games, or even a season.

But also no reason not be really excited too.
So far, so good with Dak.

 

[Animosity]

Dak isnt playing in a gimmick offense like RG3 and Foles.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Dak isnt playing in a gimmick offense like RG3 and Foles.

The reasons are always easy to see after the fact. You think when Dak's jersey is sitting in a clearance bin next to Krappernick's and RG3's that it won't be easy to see the reasons why? I can think of several now.

I'm sure you can point to several posts from 2012-13 where you predicted that those guys would be irrelevant a couple of seasons later.

 

[Gabe]

Embrace it, don't be jealous and bitter.

 

[jwitten82]

The reasons are always easy to see after the fact. You think when Dak's jersey is sitting in a clearance bin next to Krappernick's and RG3's that it won't be easy to see the reasons why? I can think of several now.

I'm sure you can point to several posts from 2012-13 where you predicted that those guys would be irrelevant a couple of seasons later.

It will be sitting next to Romo's

 

[gambit187]

Is he playing good manageable football? Sure.

I'll even cut you some slack that he should keep starting (though I disagree).

But this entire "Dak is the future", "Dak will be winning rings for 10 years", "We can quit looking for the next QB" is a pile of pooey.

The quantity of QB's who have looked amazing for a season or 2 handfuls of games and turned out to be nothing is, unfortunately, long.

Just some recent ones.

1) Nick Foles

2013 - 27 TD's, 2 INT's, 119.2 QB rating on the season. Heralded as the next huge QB with the eagles dreaming they can quit looking for a QB.

2) Matt Flynn

2011 - 5 games, 124.8 QB rating on the season. The next "benchrider" supposed to turn super qb.

3) RG3

2012 - 102.4 QB rating. (Even the Commanders were smart enough to pickup cousins in the same draft as insurance)

That doesnt even TOUCH on the top drafted QB's supposed to be something that didnt amount to anything...like Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, and Johnny Manziel.

By no means, should we look at 6 games and be crowning Dak the next heir for the next decade. The train has picked up too much speed.

None of those which you mentioned are the Cowboys Organization...call me a Homer but I am a true believer in what Stephen Jones Will McClay and Jason are doing. Also known of those you mentioned have the young offensive line we have and 2/3 stud RB's.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm not ready to put Dak in the HOF but I have no problem saying I think he is the future of this team. I think he still has things he needs to work on but what I see is a kid who is not taking off at the drop of the hat when being pressured. I see a kid who is handling all situations with calm and poise and a very intelligent young man who is picking up a lot of stuff being thrown at him.

I have spent no time comparing him to other QB's like Russell Wilson or any other successful QB and I sure as hell will not compare him to flakes who have washed out.

I think he will continue to improve his skills and has the demeanor and work ethic to be a very good QB.

At least for me there is no tapping of breaks or slowing down any trains. I will leave that to the faint of heart.

 

[endersdragon]

Dak isnt playing in a gimmick offense like RG3 and Foles.

True but he's playing in an offense with the best running back in the league right beside him and the best line in the league right in front of him. That does help a lot.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Is he playing good manageable football? Sure.

I'll even cut you some slack that he should keep starting (though I disagree).

But this entire "Dak is the future", "Dak will be winning rings for 10 years", "We can quit looking for the next QB" is a pile of pooey.

The quantity of QB's who have looked amazing for a season or 2 handfuls of games and turned out to be nothing is, unfortunately, long.

Just some recent ones.

1) Nick Foles

2013 - 27 TD's, 2 INT's, 119.2 QB rating on the season. Heralded as the next huge QB with the eagles dreaming they can quit looking for a QB.

2) Matt Flynn

2011 - 5 games, 124.8 QB rating on the season. The next "benchrider" supposed to turn super qb.

3) RG3

2012 - 102.4 QB rating. (Even the Commanders were smart enough to pickup cousins in the same draft as insurance)

That doesnt even TOUCH on the top drafted QB's supposed to be something that didnt amount to anything...like Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel, Geno Smith, and Johnny Manziel.

By no means, should we look at 6 games and be crowning Dak the next heir for the next decade. The train has picked up too much speed.

Hopefully when this proves to be incorrect, you will enjoy the good years like some that have bought into the kid's work ethic and poise.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

RG3 and Foles were in gimmick offenses that the league wasn't prepared for. The big issue with RG3 was his basic fundamentals were a catastrophe and the offense was fooling LB's to bite on the play fake and it would leave receivers wide open over the middle. He couldn't throw outside the numbers with any efficiency and struggled to see over his linemen and therefore needed the ballfake to suck the LB's in and give him wide open passing lanes. The league figured it out and he ended up being the RG3 we know and love.

Very similar for Foles as the league wasn't prepared for the Eagles offense outside of Monte Kiffin, which Foles had his worst game that season against.

I would compare Dak's season more to Roethlisberger's in 2004. At the time guard Alan Faneca told reporters he wasn't enthused about having a rookie starting, but with Tommy Maddox going down there was nothing the Steelers could do. Ben was far from perfect and was more of a 1-read QB, but his ability to allude pressure and throw on the run made him tough to beat and the Steelers went 15-1 that season and then won the Super Bowl the next season.

Dak has much better pocket skills at this point than any of the QB's mentioned at the same point of their career. He's also extremely accurate and his 2 best receiving threats are Beasley and Witten. So, it's no wonder he's not throwing a ton of long balls because that's not Beasley and Witten's game.

Meanwhile, Roethlisberger had Plaxico Burress, Hines Ward and Randle El for is receivers.

What Dak's strengths are his ability to locate the ball and beat defenses out of the pocket and beat teams by bootlegging in either direction. Combine that with our outside zone runs that makes it very hard for defenses to beat. And when you prepare to defend for that...they can go shotgun with a RPO.

Certainly, there will be more of a book on Dak as time goes along, but I would expect that to consist more of finding a way to take Dak's weapons away from him than actually being able to stop Dak himself. And that's what separates Dak from the Foles' and RG3's.





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[CapnB]

Josh Freeman looked like a sure thing.

 

[Hoov]

Train kept a-rolling all night long - Dak Train

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Hopefully when this proves to be incorrect, you will enjoy the good years like some that have bought into the kid's work ethic and poise.

I absolutely hope I am incorrect...unfortunately, the statistics and probability are far on my side

 

[Joe Realist]

speaking of clearance sales:

 

[TwoDeep3]

I absolutely hope I am incorrect...unfortunately, the statistics and probability are far on my side

Perhaps you need to supply some of those stats that apply to Dak and not some guy who isn't now nor never was a Cowboy quarterback. I'll wait.

 

[sean10mm]

Perhaps you need to supply some of those stats that apply to Dak and not some guy who isn't now nor never was a Cowboy quarterback. I'll wait.

The argument against Dak seems to be some combination of "Most rookie QBs are busts" and "Guys who bust sometimes start out OK" or something.

Josh Freeman looked like a sure thing.

His rookie season was an atrocity, and even at his peak he wasn't as good as Dak is now (lower completion %, lower YPA, lower passer rating.) He also never really passed the eye test, but most people weren't watching Bucs games, because why would you?

 

[Gameover]

True but he's playing in an offense with the best running back in the league right beside him and the best line in the league right in front of him. That does help a lot.

But if Romo were excelling, you wouldn't mention those other factors

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Perhaps you need to supply some of those stats that apply to Dak and not some guy who isn't now nor never was a Cowboy quarterback. I'll wait.

Oh, you mean like when 38 year old Jon Kitna without this offensive line and without Zeke went 4-5 and posted a 90 qb rating through 9 games with a 65.7% completion percentage?

 

[haleyrules]

Dak isnt playing in a gimmick offense like RG3 and Foles.

Not too mention RG3 was made of glass...Prescott is a very sturdy boy and won't be easily injured? Foles, l , really never thought he was that highly regarded.