the day after 7-4

[MichaelWinicki]

Our defense would be better for sure, but we certainly wouldn't be better with Reed/Bledsoe, than Davis/Romo.

Now, please, do retort.

So are you saying that Reed/Bledsoe would be a better team than Davis/Romo?

 

[theogt]

So are you saying that Reed/Bledsoe would be a better team than Davis/Romo?

Our defense would be better for sure, but we certainly wouldn't be better with Reed/Bledsoe, than Davis/Romo.

Now, please, do retort.

I'm saying we wouldn't be better.

 

[blindzebra]

When you look at how many TD were surrendered by the FS, along with huge plays, and compare it to Bledsoe's performance, it's hard to say which was the greater evil. The only thing, IMO, that makes the FS performance worse, is that the opposition really didn't get that many points off Bledsoe's performance, except in Jacksonville. Against Watkins and Davis (and the drunk), we've lost games to Philly, gotten down early in NY, and blew Washington. That's a little worse, IMO. It's not that they had to cover too long, it's just that they sucked. That's improved slightly, they've at least kept themselves in position recently. But it's far from fixed.

So we are forgetting how Bledsoe had a hand in 17 points against in both the JAX and Philly game, huh? Including a pick six when OT was right around the corner.

So we are blaming FS for the Giants game? I seem to recall Watkins being in position, Burress pushing off...but the back judge was too busy keeping Roy away to see it.

Seriously, if you want to gauge why we have 4 losses, here are the reasons:

1. Bledsoe...INTs, fumbles, sacks, made OL worse, forced max protect, forced the ball to Glenn.

2. Dumb penalties...had a hand in all our losses.

3. Mental breakdowns...Columbo, Vandy, Henry, FS all fall here.

4. Poor coaching decisions...starting out with Bledsoe, setting up FGs with time left...the old we need to be more conservative then Gibbs issue, AGAIN...going for 2 early, even after us being 2 for 2, I hope you factor odds better at the track Bill, not making adjustments in game soon enough.

There is plenty of blame to spread around, but the main factor in the first two losses was Bledsoe, with help from FS against Philly.

NYG was Bledsoe early, a back judge, inability to stop Barber, a bad drop by TO and the only time Romo looked like a first time QB.

Washington was some dumb coaching, dumb penalties, another bad drop by TO, and a blocked FG...which I think gets blocked at the LOS and the way he's kicking, probably ends up wide right anyway.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm saying we wouldn't be better.

No way would Reed and Bledsoe make this a better club.


In my view a QB is far more important than a FS. And Romo is so much better than Bledsoe it's scary.

 

[theogt]

No way would Reed and Bledsoe make this a better club.


In my view a QB is far more important than a FS. And Romo is so much better than Bledsoe it's scary.

Yeah, that's what I was saying.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yeah, that's what I was saying.

I thought you had more sense than to suggest the opposite.

 

[superpunk]

So we are forgetting how Bledsoe had a hand in 17 points against in both the JAX and Philly game, huh? Including a pick six when OT was right around the corner.

So we are blaming FS for the Giants game? I seem to recall Watkins being in position, Burress pushing off...but the back judge was too busy keeping Roy away to see it.

Seriously, if you want to gauge why we have 4 losses, here are the reasons:

1. Bledsoe...INTs, fumbles, sacks, made OL worse, forced max protect, forced the ball to Glenn.

2. Dumb penalties...had a hand in all our losses.

3. Mental breakdowns...Columbo, Vandy, Henry, FS all fall here.

4. Poor coaching decisions...starting out with Bledsoe, setting up FGs with time left...the old we need to be more conservative then Gibbs issue, AGAIN...going for 2 early, even after us being 2 for 2, I hope you factor odds better at the track Bill, not making adjustments in game soon enough.

There is plenty of blame to spread around, but the main factor in the first two losses was Bledsoe, with help from FS against Philly.

NYG was Bledsoe early, a back judge, inability to stop Barber, a bad drop by TO and the only time Romo looked like a first time QB.

Washington was some dumb coaching, dumb penalties, another bad drop by TO, and a blocked FG...which I think gets blocked at the LOS and the way he's kicking, probably ends up wide right anyway.

There are lots of goats. The biggest IMO has been free safety. Just FWIW, I only think Philly scored 3 points off Bledsoe's turnovers before that last INT. We shouldn't have even been down at that point, had it not been for the atrocious play from FS. The game shouldn't have been tied in Washington save for terrible free safety play in the end zone again. Everyone can choose their own supreme goat, but it's like choosing between piles of crap. They all stink - there's not a whole lot of difference.

 

[blindzebra]

There are lots of goats. The biggest IMO has been free safety. Just FWIW, I only think Philly scored 3 points off Bledsoe's turnovers before that last INT. We shouldn't have even been down at that point, had it not been for the atrocious play from FS. The game shouldn't have been tied in Washington save for terrible free safety play in the end zone again. Everyone can choose their own supreme goat, but it's like choosing between piles of crap. They all stink - there's not a whole lot of difference.

His boneheaded intentional grounding set up a 3rd and long, instead of 3rd and short and the resulting punt was the McBriar muffed snap...as Parcells would say, that was some of his work too.

All that needs to be said is 3-3 with Bledsoe, 4-1 without him, and that 1 needed a safety that wasn't, a boneheaded going for two, settling for a FG with time on the clock before the half, a dropped TD by TO, a bad play by Coleman, a breakdown on a FG and a horrible facemask call.

I'd pretty much call that a smoking gun.

 

[superpunk]

His boneheaded intentional grounding set up a 3rd and long, instead of 3rd and short and the resulting punt was the McBriar muffed snap...as Parcells would say, that was some of his work too.

All that needs to be said is 3-3 with Bledsoe, 4-1 without him, and that 1 needed a safety that wasn't, a boneheaded going for two, settling for a FG with time on the clock before the half, a dropped TD by TO, a bad play by Coleman, a breakdown on a FG and a horrible facemask call.

I'd pretty much call that a smoking gun.

It's convenient, and he was bad. But it wasn't all him, and in some of the losses, it wasn't even mostly him. Either way, this is splitting hairs. The whole team is playing better right now.

 

[blindzebra]

It's convenient, and he was bad. But it wasn't all him, and in some of the losses, it wasn't even mostly him. Either way, this is splitting hairs. The whole team is playing better right now.

Just for fun, let's take a look point-wise:

Philly: Watkins 3 TDs allowed = 21 points.

Bledsoe fum 3 points + intentional grounding setting up the McBriar muff...half of that 7...3.5 = 6.5 + 7 points for them on INT return = 13.5.

But, let's factor in the points we lost on the two INTs, we were driving when he thru up that duck when TO was 5 yards behind the DB minus 7 points. INT in endzone another minus 7.

By my figures that's another 14 points or 27.5 points toward our loss...even if you don't want to factor his boneheaded intentional grounding into our early game mess, it is still 24 points Bledsoe, 21 points Watkins.

 

[superpunk]

Just for fun, let's take a look point-wise:

Philly: Watkins 3 TDs allowed = 21 points.

Bledsoe fum 3 points + intentional grounding setting up the McBriar muff...half of that 7...3.5 = 6.5 + 7 points for them on INT return = 13.5.

But, let's factor in the points we lost on the two INTs, we were driving when he thru up that duck when TO was 5 yards behind the DB minus 7 points. INT in endzone another minus 7.

By my figures that's another 14 points or 27.5 points toward our loss...even if you don't want to factor his boneheaded intentional grounding into our early game mess, it is still 24 points Bledsoe, 21 points Watkins.

Only because you're attributing a mistake Bledsoe didn't make and projecting out points in full-on speculation mode.

I know Bledsoe's the guy everyone loves to hate, but let's not get ridiculous and hyperbolic just to make him appear worse. He was a problem, and a problem at QB is huge for any team. There's no need to attempt to lay more blame at his feet, because it's just not accurate. FS's been a problem with and without Bledsoe. We had a chance to shore that up with Dwight Smith in the offseason, for not even that much cash, and we elected not to. Unfortunately, there's no "Romo" waiting in the wings to fix that debacle.

 

[blindzebra]

Only because you're attributing a mistake Bledsoe didn't make and projecting out points in full-on speculation mode.

I know Bledsoe's the guy everyone loves to hate, but let's not get ridiculous and hyperbolic just to make him appear worse. He was a problem, and a problem at QB is huge for any team. There's no need to attempt to lay more blame at his feet, because it's just not accurate. FS's been a problem with and without Bledsoe. We had a chance to shore that up with Dwight Smith in the offseason, for not even that much cash, and we elected not to. Unfortunately, there's no "Romo" waiting in the wings to fix that debacle.

I agree FS is an issue, but it isn't the main reason in any of our losses.

 

[superpunk]

I agree FS is an issue, but it isn't the main reason in any of our losses.

Tomato, potato. Ultimately, it doesn't matter, and "main reason" isn't something either of us can quantify.

 

[mitchell2254]

I appreciate Bledsoe for what he done. He played good last year. With a better O-Line we might have even made the playoffs. Let's be thankful he helped Romo out so much. Sure, he played bad this season but let's not forget the good he done for us.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I appreciate Bledsoe for what he done. He played good last year. With a better O-Line we might have even made the playoffs. Let's be thankful he helped Romo out so much. Sure, he played bad this season but let's not forget the good he done for us.

Gosh who says that Bledsoe has helped out Romo?

I mean we keep hearing how Vinnie was good mentor to Romo-- but Bledsoe? Not a peep.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Only because you're attributing a mistake Bledsoe didn't make and projecting out points in full-on speculation mode.

I know Bledsoe's the guy everyone loves to hate, but let's not get ridiculous and hyperbolic just to make him appear worse. He was a problem, and a problem at QB is huge for any team. There's no need to attempt to lay more blame at his feet, because it's just not accurate. FS's been a problem with and without Bledsoe. We had a chance to shore that up with Dwight Smith in the offseason, for not even that much cash, and we elected not to. Unfortunately, there's no "Romo" waiting in the wings to fix that debacle.

Dwight Smith is a "punk" punk. No way.

 

[Juke99]

Gosh who says that Bledsoe has helped out Romo?

I mean we keep hearing how Vinnie was good mentor to Romo-- but Bledsoe? Not a peep.

Well, it's kinda like how you've helped the other moderators.

They watch what you do and do the opposite.

 

[superpunk]

Dwight Smith is a "punk" punk. No way.

Hey, if it helps the team, I'm all for it. FS is a problem, Dwight Smith is a good FS. That equals "Go for it" in my head. But I was crazy for wanting that then, and I'm crazy for wanting it now. After all, the safeties we went into the season with were all choir boys, so we wouldn't want to tarnish the position, right Winky?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Hey, if it helps the team, I'm all for it. FS is a problem, Dwight Smith is a good FS. That equals "Go for it" in my head. But I was crazy for wanting that then, and I'm crazy for wanting it now. After all, the safeties we went into the season with were all choir boys, so we wouldn't want to tarnish the position, right Winky?

Maybe someone in the organization knew more than what we fans did?

Amazing thought huh?

 

[superpunk]

Maybe someone in the organization knew more than what we fans did?

Amazing thought huh?

Apparently not. This fan knew FS was gonna be a big problem. The organization ignored it. Don't play the "coaching staff knows all" card just cuz they agreed with you this time Winky. They mess up sometimes.