The difference between us and the Patriots

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As much as I dislike the Pats, they have been a model for success for quite some time now, heck their QB, who arguably already one of the best of all time, goes down and they still almost go to the playoffs. They've let many of their best players walk rather than pay them ridiculous salaries and they've cut cancerous players without blinking or missing a beat. Honestly, outside of Moss and Brady, there really doesn't seem to be anything overly impressive about their roster. If I had to choose a roster on paper without considering all the Pat's SB rings, there are a number of rosters I'd pick over the Pats. In other words, I would argue that overall, our personnel is better than theirs. We have 11+ Pro bowlers and we can't seem to even win a playoff game. Meanwhile the Pats have had patchwork castoffs and has beens make up much of their secondary and LB corps yet they still find a way to stay in the hunt. As I watched them tonight, I thought about the differences between them and us...and why they have had so much more success than us.

1) QB play: The QB just doesn't hardly make any mistakes. He's frustratingly efficient, doesn't force stuff, and just keeps the team moving down the field. Its not his arm or his legs that wow you, its his brain. He'll dump the ball off and take 4 yards versus taking a sack or forcing it into coverage. The fact that he keeps the offense moving forward frustrates defenses until the defese starts blitzing and then Brady hurts you. And by protecting the ball, you keep pressure on the other team without giving them something for nothing. And yeah I know that every other team in the league won't measure up to a Tom Brady in the category, but even the no-name backups come in and look good.

2) Penalties: When a game is tight and its crunch time, you won't see the Pats make a stupid penalty. There won't be a false start or a personal foul or a holding call that kills a drive or gives the other team a cheap first down. If you're going to beat them, you have to beat them straight up because they'll make you earn it.

3) Coaching: Probably related to above, but this team always looks prepared to win. I can't remember them ever laying eggs (other than the Wildcat fiasco) like say....we did against St Louis or Philthy. On a similar note, their play calling is nothing fancy but always seems to get the defense off balance. They run the ball effectively despite the fact that their RB corps is pretty average and/or has-beens. Also on a related note, the Pats always seem to have a lot of synergy. They are much better than you would think the sum of their parts would suggest. Its quite uncanny.

Overall, the Pats have proven that it doesn't take a roster with 22 Pro Bowlers to win consistently. With the mandated parity, you actually don't even have to be all that good to win a SB. You just need to play smart, disciplined ball, stay relatively injury-free, and get a few lucky breaks (See last two Squeeler SB teams gag). So what it all means for us, and none of this is earthshattering to anyone here....
1) We need Romo to take care of the ball and just take what is given. Don't throw the game-changer INT or take the drive killing sack. Just keep the team moving forward. We can run for 3rd and 1 or 2. So far, it looks like Romo has figured all this out for this coming season.
2) Drastically cut down on penalties. Our offense has no problems getting 10 yards in 3 downs. Getting 15 and 20 is dramatically more difficult for us. We are also very good at stopping teams from getting 1st downs....except for all the times we give it to them by way of penalty. So far in preseason, I've seen no reason to believe that we'll be any better in this category this year, although I'm still hopefull. (I guess we can pray that God will heal Flo's hearing)
3) We need unity. Axing TO, Pac, and Tank could only have helped this. The Pats players happily play their roles. The team as a whole knows itself, its strengths, weaknesses, and identity. Our 90's SB teams had this also. We can do more with lesser players if those lesser players play their parts. The team is stronger when it is far bigger than any one player.

I'm convinced that if we exhibit the 3 above traits this season that we should win at least a playoff game or two. In addition, if we're fortunate on the injury front and catch a break or two we could land in the SB.

PS, if you real all of this, I'm impressed.
 

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I'd say the biggest difference is coaching and organizational structure. You have one voice there.

You can win with a QB that plays like his hair is on fire sometimes. Romo is never going to be Brady, but Romo can improve on his game here and there and be really damn good and look nothing like Brady, but still get the job done.
 

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Coaching and they have an owner that stays out of the way. I admire Jerry for wanting to do anything to win, but he's half the problem with this team. If he would put his ego aside, we would have a real coach who had power over the team. Until Jerry steps aside, we will never have that.
 

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its not that, its extreme jealousy of 3 recent SB rings and near unparalleled success.
Meanwhile, since the last time we won a playoff game...
the Squealers have won two rings with at least one of the worst all-time SB-winning teams and surpassed our number of Lombardis,
the perennial door-mat Cardinals have not only won multiple playoff games but were 2 minutes from winning a SB
the forever doormat Bucs rose to win a SB and declined
the forskins have won numerous playoff games despite their ownership and incompetence
and our players who were on the team when we last won a playoff game are so old they've been bronzed in Canton
 

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Mansta54;2909210 said:
Who gives a flying **** about the Pats.. Dude, please!!!:rolleyes:

Yeah, as I should've more adamantly denoted...I despite everything Boston.
And no one would care if they hadn't been so dominant this decade. I'm just promoting the emulation of success....and I'm horribly jealous as our run in the 90s get farther and farther away. I think its **** embarrassing that we haven't won a playoff game in forever....us, the greatest sports franchise of all time.
 

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ghst187;2909212 said:
its not that, its extreme jealousy of 3 recent SB rings and near unparalleled success.
Meanwhile, since the last time we won a playoff game...
the Squealers have won two rings with at least one of the worst all-time SB-winning teams and surpassed our number of Lombardis,
the perennial door-mat Cardinals have not only won multiple playoff games but were 2 minutes from winning a SB
the forever doormat Bucs rose to win a SB and declined
the forskins have won numerous playoff games despite their ownership and incompetence
and our players who were on the team when we last won a playoff game are so old they've been bronzed in Canton

I don't have much of a problem with either of your posts, but I will say this. Both the Squealers and the Cheats get every break in the book from the refs. Pitt was just handed their 5th lombardi on a silver platter. The Cheats get similar breaks all the time. The refs tonight have been pretty objective, but then again, it's only preseason.
 
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Football is what it is.... Be smart, physical and good things will come. Pittsburgh and New England are both.
 

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Who knew Peter King was a member on this board?


Here's a difference between the Cowboys and the Patriots. The Patriots blatantly broke league rules by videotaping both offensive and defensive signals for opposing teams, and when they got caught they lied about it ever happening and then when the evidence was clear that they did, they downplayed it as only happening in a game or two. Then when a former employee in Matt Walsh claimed he had evidence of it happening in more games than the Pats claimed and it being a practice employed by the Pats in every game, the Pats did everything they could to tarnish his reputation and claimed he was lying. Then when it was proven that Walsh was telling the truth, they still attempted to tarnish his reputation. Oh, and let's not forget that the league suspiciously, for no good reason at all, destroyed all of the evidence.

That's the difference between us vs. the Patriots.




YAKUZA
 

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There are three main components that separate us IMO

1.) Coaching. Belichick is the best in the game.
2.) Oline play. Brady put up those monsterous numbers in 07 because he had time to throw deep. That Oline makes their offense go. See: Super Bowl XXXXII.
3.) WR's. They have the best deep ball receiver, and the best underneath receiver. Talk about complimenting each other. We have a steady, yet unspectacular WR corps, who are all clones and all play the same style of game, sans Austin, maybe. (Please dont mention our two TE's I'm fully aware)

But please do not underestimate the talent on the Pats besides the big name players. That team is one of the deepest, if not the deepest in the league.
 
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Yakuza Rich;2909235 said:
Who knew Peter King was a member on this board?


Here's a difference between the Cowboys and the Patriots. The Patriots blatantly broke league rules by videotaping both offensive and defensive signals for opposing teams, and when they got caught they lied about it ever happening and then when the evidence was clear that they did, they downplayed it as only happening in a game or two. Then when a former employee in Matt Walsh claimed he had evidence of it happening in more games than the Pats claimed and it being a practice employed by the Pats in every game, the Pats did everything they could to tarnish his reputation and claimed he was lying. Then when it was proven that Walsh was telling the truth, they still attempted to tarnish his reputation. Oh, and let's not forget that the league suspiciously, for no good reason at all, destroyed all of the evidence.

That's the difference between us vs. the Patriots.




YAKUZA

Wow, haven't seen you post on here in a while... I agree with the Patriots being caught but hey, all NFL teams try to gain an edge, trust me!
 

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Coachiong only goes so far. Once a player is on the field he must execute what the coach wants or you have a disaster.

While I agree Belichek is a great coach who prepares his team well. I also have to suggest the players listen then execute his demands.

Otherwise, he is Dave Campo.
 

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They've been run better, sometimes much better, than us pretty much this whole decade. And they got incredibly lucky hitting on one of the better QBs ever in the 5th round.

That's about it.

What was the news again?
 

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ThreeSportStar80;2909245 said:
Wow, haven't seen you post on here in a while... I agree with the Patriots being caught but hey, all NFL teams try to gain an edge, trust me!

Difference between trying to gain an edge and blatantly cheating, even when the Commissioner makes a point before the season to notify teams that filming signals is against the rules, then when you get caught to flat out lie about it and keep on making lie after lie after lie and trying to ruin the reputation of a guy (Walsh) who was just telling the truth.

If that's okay, then the Cowboys should try to blatantly pay players under the table so they don't have to worry about the salary cap.





YAKUZA
 

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2.) Oline play. Brady put up those monsterous numbers in 07 because he had time to throw deep. That Oline makes their offense go. See: Super Bowl XXXXII.

They play well as a unit, but the Giants exposed them in the Super Bowl as being very ordinary talents.
 

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The 3 most successful franchises in the Major Sports this decade New England Patriots, San Antonio Spurs, Detroit Red Wings. What do they all have in common?

Disciplined smart head coaches (Belichick, Popovich, Babcock)
an Elite Player who is disciplined(Brady, Duncan, Lidstrom)
Great GM's
Notice none of them have had much drama?
 

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They have a good formula for today's game but I don't see them as an elite all time team, or Brady being one of the best of all time. Not to discount their accomplishments, but the game has changed so much since free agency, more teams watering down the talent and rule changes. Just me, but I think the quality of the game has gone down just as much as the flash has gone up.

A lot of good teams have gotten the edge in penalties, but the Steeler superbowl where they were handed the game against the Seahawks is where the NFL started to lose something for me.

It's just too much money involved now and the game seems like all flash and less substance.
 
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