The Difference

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When I look at the history of Dallas Cowboy quarterbacks, I see five "franchise quarterbacks". Solely for the purpose of this discussion, I will define that as meaning they were the primary starter for at least 5 seasons. The five are Don Meredith, Roger Staubach, Danny White, Troy Aikman, and Tony Romo. Tony's career has not ended, so I don't wish to place him in any particular group of accomplishments, that would be unfair.

I place the remaining four in one of two groups, those who have been on championship teams, and those who have not.

The first thing I observe is that all four have participated in at least 2 conference championship level playoff games. Meredith's games were NFL championships but not the Super Bowl since his career was during the time when the NFL and AFL were sepertate.However, the two championship games he did participate in placed the winner in the first two Super Bowls in history.

As we know, Staubach and Aikman won championships and I put them inGroup1 . Meredith and White did not and they are group 2.

What was the difference?

The obvious thought is that the QB's in group 1 played on more dominant teams, Not true. Meredith's team featured the flex 4-3 at it's pinnacle. They were #1 against the run, #2 overall, in most cases. Offensively, there were two seasons in which they were #1 in both scoring and yards, another year,they were #1 in one, #2 in the other.

Statistically, the teams of the early 80's were just as strong asa the team of the early 90's

How did those in group 1 obtain multiple championships and group 2 unable to obtain at least 1? Both groups,it seems,had equal opportunities.

The difference becomes clear when looking at the quarterbacks themselves. It is blunt and unavoidable.

Each season, contenders are faced with points in the season and in individual games where a small handful of plays or even a single play will change the outcome of the entire season. It will effect history. Yes, it is a team sport. However, there are those seconds in time where a player,particularly quarterbacks must make that play. He must find that receiver. He must make that throw. He must make that split second decision on which the outcome depends. Again, these are the plays that make history, elect Hall of Famers, create champions.

There are those quarterbacks in history that have shown a legendary ability to make that play consistantly. despite the pressure, the ramifications and the difficulty level, they found, within themselves, the ability to make that decision,make that throw, make that play that all football fans will remember. Not every single time, but you wouldn't bet against them. Sometimes, it's not necessary to make a great play, just don't make the bad play.

Those in our group 1 join QB's like Joe Montana, Tom Brady, and even Eli Manning. For each, you can access specific plays in their career as examples of the play that had to be made.There was The Catch, The Helmet Catch, The Hail Mary.They are the signature plays of the champions. Others might not be so obvious, they were successful due to their consistancy of producing outstanding performances. In every case, the plays that they are remembered for occurred in the playoffs Few NFL fans remember regular season play unless it was their own team.

Some fans may not have realized that Troy Aikman's best season was the post season. Not only did he elevate his play the postseason, he elevated his play at each stage of the playoffs. His rating in the divisional games 89.7, conference championshiops 100.3, Super Bowl games were111.9.

Group 2 were unable to make that play...repeatedly.They all had more than one opportunbity and each time they couldn't succeed. Some of them even played their worse games, made their worse mistakes, worse decisions. instead of the touchdown or game clinching 1st downs.

In the 1966 championship game, with the score 34-27 the Cowboys had the ball on the Packer's 2 yardline with time running out. Meredith threw an INT into the endzone. If the Cowboys had won the game they would have been the NFL representative to Super Bowl 1. In the 1967 championship game the Cowboys could have put the game away at the beginning of the 4th quarter. In two straight drives the Cowboys got to the Packer 30 and 19 but Merediuth fumbled in one and was sacked on 3rd down the other.

White started in 3 consecutive NFC championships.In the first two, he had 3 turnovers each.

In both cases,their overall passer rating for the postseason was close to 15 points less than the regular season.

In almost all cases all four quarterbacks were very good, efficient players when you look at their entire body of work. The real difference was simply those handful of plays. The one that absolutely had to be made.

I bring this subject up because it may be extremely relevant when we consider who to go forward with at quarterback once Tony Romo becomes healthy
 
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Great post but I have to add Tony hasnt had the benefit of those defense or running games for most if his career. The plays that haunt us most in his reign are a play Crayton didnt make and a catch Dez did make.
 
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In almost all cases all four quarterbacks were very good, efficient players when you look at their entire body of work. The real difference was simply those handful of plays. The one that absolutely had to be made.
I think the real difference is that Staubach and Aikman were both top 5 QB when they played. Not Meredith and White, who were well within that second tier.

Top 5 Seasons in Passer Rating
Staubach 5 (1971, 73, 77, 78, 79)
Aikman 4 (1992, 93, 94, 95)
Meredith 2 (1966, 68)
White 2 (1981,82)
 

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I think the real difference is that Staubach and Aikman were both top 5 QB when they played. Not Meredith and White, who were well within that second tier.

In the combined seasons of 1980 to 1982, in which the Cowboys went to 3 consecutive NFC championship games, Danny White was the 5th rated QB in the NFL.

In the combined seasons of 1966 to 1968, the Cowboy playoff years, Don Meredith was the 5th rated passer in the NFL.

They didn't reach that lower tier until the playoffs, the point of this thread.
 

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In the combined seasons of 1980 to 1982, in which the Cowboys went to 3 consecutive NFC championship games, Danny White was the 5th rated QB in the NFL.

In the combined seasons of 1966 to 1968, the Cowboy playoff years, Don Meredith was the 5th rated passer in the NFL.

They didn't reach that lower tier until the playoffs, the point of this thread.
You're taking their three best years to get them to squeak into the top 5, so you need to do the same for the other guys. If you look at Aikman's three best years, he's 2nd behind only Steve Young. Take Staubach's three best years, and he's 1st.

Meredith and White simply weren't on the level of Staubach and Aikman. It's dramatic to paint them as four similar QB with postseason play being the only difference, but it's not really an accurate picture.
 

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One stat or factor which isn't always used in these analysis or comparisons is the competition.

No shame in losing to greater teams which 60's Packers , 70's Steelers and 80's 49ers were.

Much like the 90's Bills and 49ers should hold their head high losing to Cowboys.

As rich as the Cowboys history is it could be totally unmatched rivaling marks set by the Yankees and Celtics.

The Cowboys had a real opportunity ( 1 win away) to be in 7 Super Bowls in a decade and 11 Super Bowls bowls by 1982.
 

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One Cowboys QB that deserves to be in the conversation is Craig Morton. Not only did he lead us to our first SB but first QB to start for two different teams in a SB with the longest career of any QB ever drafted by the Cowboys(18 years).
 

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You're taking their three best years to get them to squeak into the top 5, so you need to do the same for the other guys. If you look at Aikman's three best years, he's 2nd behind only Steve Young. Take Staubach's three best years, and he's 1st.

Meredith and White simply weren't on the level of Staubach and Aikman. It's dramatic to paint them as four similar QB with postseason play being the only difference, but it's not really an accurate picture.
Obviously, because those were the years their teams were in contention. Their rating as compared to others is not the point. Comparing their regular season to their playoffs is the point. Why the wide gap?

Just as obvious is the flawed argument as to the quality of their teammates. Any team good enough to get to the playoffs is good enough to win it all, the Super Bowl has been won by 6th seeds.
 

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One Cowboys QB that deserves to be in the conversation is Craig Morton. Not only did he lead us to our first SB but first QB to start for two different teams in a SB with the longest career of any QB ever drafted by the Cowboys(18 years).
Lol.....yes, he "led" them to their first Super Bowl.

To put it more accurately, he led the Colts to their first Super Bowl victory.

There is two minutes left in the game.and its tied at 13. He throws one of his signature INT's, deep in Cowboy territory, of course. The Colts dont move an inch, they dont have to. The rookie kicker comes out and the game is over.

Seven years later he takes a differnt team to the Super Bowl....and records the only QB rating of 0 in Super Bowl history. If he was considered a franchise QB can you guess which group he belongs in?
 

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Obviously, because those were the years their teams were in contention. Their rating as compared to others is not the point. Comparing their regular season to their playoffs is the point. Why the wide gap?.
Because you're comparing a very small sample (playoffs) with a very large sample (regular season). There will always be more volatility in a small sample because the outliers are overweighted. For example, early in the season, there's a huge separation between the #1 passer and #20. By the end of the season, that separation gets cut in half. Regression toward the mean. And keep in mind, Staubach and Aikman were exceptional postseason QB, even among their HOF peers.

Just as obvious is the flawed argument as to the quality of their teammates. Any team good enough to get to the playoffs is good enough to win it all, the Super Bowl has been won by 6th seeds.
And yet, no team has ever won a Super Bowl without a top 12 defense (points allowed), or one that played to that level in the playoffs.
 

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The obvious "difference" between Dak and Tony is, one was a once highly-rated NFL QB and the other has not accomplished anything but shows immense promise. Tony is in the twilight of his career and Dak is attempting to realize his potential.

The question is: Which QB has the ability to make game-changing plays giving this team the best opportunity to win?
 

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Any team good enough to get to the playoffs is good enough to win it all, the Super Bowl has been won by 6th seeds.
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Lol.....yes, he "led" them to their first Super Bowl.

To put it more accurately, he led the Colts to their first Super Bowl victory.

There is two minutes left in the game.and its tied at 13. He throws one of his signature INT's, deep in Cowboy territory, of course. The Colts dont move an inch, they dont have to. The rookie kicker comes out and the game is over.

Seven years later he takes a differnt team to the Super Bowl....and records the only QB rating of 0 in Super Bowl history. If he was considered a franchise QB can you guess which group he belongs in?
Mortons Cowboys stats don't necessarily measure up but I've always felt he should be considered in with these QB discussions.

Without Roger on the bench in waiting Morton would have likely gone on to be the first Cowboys QB to win a championship.
 

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Morton and Staubach are also a great example for our potential QB controversy brewing.

Morton was definitely talented enough to start for a Super Bowl team but the disappointment in the big games drove Landry to look for a spark from an up an coming talent off the bench who'd looked good in his limited appearances.
 

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The obvious "difference" between Dak and Tony is, one was a once highly-rated NFL QB and the other has not accomplished anything but shows immense promise. Tony is in the twilight of his career and Dak is attempting to realize his potential.

The question is: Which QB has the ability to make game-changing plays giving this team the best opportunity to win?
Great question. Logic points to going with the savy veteran but there's always a fine line when looking for the next spark .

As I mentioned above Landry benched a Super Bowl QB looking for a spark . Parcells benched anotherQB who had been to a Super Bowl in Bledsoe for an unknown quantity in Romo.

I think we'll know soon enough the effects on Romo once he returns. The good news is we have a viable solution.
 
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