The Dominance of DLaw, and How the Packers Get Away with Holding **merged**

[khiladi]

Erik Williams destroys Reggie Williams, they invent rules against his style of play. GB holds, and people are saying everybody should do it, instead of enforcing the rules correctly..

 

[DogFace]

Reggie White ^^

 

[khiladi]

story of Garrett's Career so far. Stuck in the past and not noticing or adjusting to the new ways things are being done in TODAY'S NFL.

IDK what we do at half times, by the way, we come out after having a good first half and lay a egg. All those signs point to coaching. The other teams make adjustments we do nothing.

Garrett isn't stuck in the past.. he just sucks as a coach and has no idea what he is doing..

 

[DogFace]

actually, the facts have been presented to you and you are the one that chooses to ignore. Just because you keep saying it does not mean it is true. Their techniique is ok with the league.I have not heard any teams complain about it. I only hear the fans of teh teams the Packers play complain about it. On every play. But keep saying it. You may get a few more converts.

You only hear the teams the Packers play complain about it? Profound.

So you’re saying that you’ve never heard the Yankees complain about it either? I can’t understand why except maybe because they haven’t experienced it.

The guy that made the video didn’t play for a team the Packers play. He said they’ve legalized holding. They’ve found a sneaky little loophole and exploited it. Some say it’s smart others say it’s a little ***** move.
Some laud flopping in basketball as a savvy move. Others think it’s rediculous.

Fact is if Dallas does it’ll be called.
Let’s review:
Emmitt takes off helmet a new rule is made.
Eric Williams bullies players. New rule.
Roy Williams gets horse collar added to banned technique.
Ref calls obscure rule on Brice Butler that’s only been called one other time since 1984. When asked about the ref says “he came into the huddle, stayed in the huddle then departed”. Which anyone who watched it can see isn’t at all what happened.
NFL later rules they’ll relax that rule. What a joke.

Embrace it. Your team and Erin especially get a lot of bs that other teams don’t. His crying and constant whining really tugs on the heart strings of his ref buddies who joke around with him during playoff games.

 

[csirl]

The video explains this.

Once the GB line latches on, they hold you in place and keep you from countering. You can see in the clips that DLaw is trying to counter but can't since they have a grip on both shoulder pads.

There is a large element of old fashioned techique with the Packers. Instead of using arms to attack and knock the rusher off balance, its the tried and tested "get your body between the rusher and QB" - make him go through you or over you.

Will still draw holding if the rusher immediately goes to his knees - as OL will go down on top like a take down. Officials are specifically told to flag for holding if the rusher ends up on the ground in a bear hug situation.

 

[FloridaRob]

You only hear the teams the Packers play complain about it? Profound.

So you’re saying that you’ve never heard the Yankees complain about it either? I can’t understand why except maybe because they haven’t experienced it.

The guy that made the video didn’t play for a team the Packers play. He said they’ve legalized holding. They’ve found a sneaky little loophole and exploited it. Some say it’s smart others say it’s a little ***** move.
Some laud flopping in basketball as a savvy move. Others think it’s rediculous.

Fact is if Dallas does it’ll be called.
Let’s review:
Emmitt takes off helmet a new rule is made.
Eric Williams bullies players. New rule.
Roy Williams gets horse collar added to banned technique.
Ref calls obscure rule on Brice Butler that’s only been called one other time since 1984. When asked about the ref says “he came into the huddle, stayed in the huddle then departed”. Which anyone who watched it can see isn’t at all what happened.
NFL later rules they’ll relax that rule. What a joke.

Embrace it. Your team and Erin especially get a lot of bs that other teams don’t. His crying and constant whining really tugs on the heart strings of his ref buddies who joke around with him during playoff games.

Dude, let it go. The only one crying about anything is you. The league looks at the technique and say it is ok. The refs says its ok. When they say it is not ok, it will be holding. You can have the last word and say Its holding, its holding, its holding. Say it ten times and it might be but until the league says it is, it isn't.

I think that a DB arm barrign a receiver is pure holding. But until the league says it is then it isnt. How many receivers cant catch a ball because the DB is arm barring his arm and he cant lift it up. I hate that rule but it is what it is.

 

[risco]

Didn't read it but I can guess what their technique is.

"How to hold all throughout the game without getting caught."

Seems like a good technique to me. We may want to take page from them!

 

[TheHerd]

Reggie White ^^

He probably could have handled Reggie Williams too.

 

[SultanOfSix]

The video explains this.

Once the GB line latches on, they hold you in place and keep you from countering. You can see in the clips that DLaw is trying to counter but can't since they have a grip on both shoulder pads.

Which to some is apparently not holding. Having a grip by definition implies holding onto something. It's distinct from blocking. One can block somebody without holding them, but once holding happens, it's no longer just blocking.

Language includes ontology. If the NFL rule is that this is not semantically holding, then they are playing the sophistic game, and should come up with a different term, distinct from both holding and blocking. It should no longer be called blocking because it isn't.

 

[DogFace]

Dude, let it go. The only one crying about anything is you. The league looks at the technique and say it is ok. The refs says its ok. When they say it is not ok, it will be holding. You can have the last word and say Its holding, its holding, its holding. Say it ten times and it might be but until the league says it is, it isn't.

I think that a DB arm barrign a receiver is pure holding. But until the league says it is then it isnt. How many receivers cant catch a ball because the DB is arm barring his arm and he cant lift it up. I hate that rule but it is what it is.

It’s holding x10.

Read @SultanOfSix summation at the right above this post. He explains it well.

Post that awesome picture of the Cowboys kneeling before Erin again! It’s so classy and cute

 

[TheCount]

Which to some is apparently not holding. Having a grip by definition implies holding onto something. It's distinct from blocking. One can block somebody without holding them, but once holding happens, it's no longer just blocking.

Language includes ontology. If the NFL rule is that this is not semantically holding, then they are playing the sophistic game, and should come up with a different term, distinct from both holding and blocking. It should no longer be called blocking because it isn't.

I don't think it's about the rule.

The technique locks a defender in place in front of the offensive lineman. Refs won't call a hold unless you're being impeded, and having an offensive lineman directly between you and the QB doesn't qualify, even if you're being held in place.

That said, there are definitely plays where defenders are CLEARLY being held in the traditional sense, and the refs still aren't calling it. So something is up.

 

[FloridaRob]

It’s holding x10.

Read @SultanOfSix summation at the right above this post. He explains it well.

Post that awesome picture of the Cowboys kneeling before Erin again! It’s so classy and cute

LOL, how does it sound when you scream into an empty well? I always wanted to know.

as far as the pic goes, you can go to the funny images thread in the off topic zone and view it anytime you want. I though it was funny and cute.

 

[mahoneybill]

Erik Williams destroys Reggie Williams, they invent rules against his style of play. GB holds, and people are saying everybody should do it, instead of enforcing the rules correctly..

Emmitt takes his helmet off, rule follows. Darren Woodson hits some guy with his helmet , rule follows.....

 

[mahoneybill]

Which to some is apparently not holding. Having a grip by definition implies holding onto something. It's distinct from blocking. One can block somebody without holding them, but once holding happens, it's no longer just blocking.

Language includes ontology. If the NFL rule is that this is not semantically holding, then they are playing the sophistic game, and should come up with a different term, distinct from both holding and blocking. It should no longer be called blocking because it isn't.

Its grabbing, and not letting go. It's hooking around the neck to delay progress.

Its not hands inside the pads without grabbing, which is what I thought it was supposed to be.....

 

[khiladi]

Reggie White ^^

Damn bro, been so long I even messed up his name, RIP... LMAOOOO

 

[csirl]

Which to some is apparently not holding. Having a grip by definition implies holding onto something. It's distinct from blocking. One can block somebody without holding them, but once holding happens, it's no longer just blocking.

Language includes ontology. If the NFL rule is that this is not semantically holding, then they are playing the sophistic game, and should come up with a different term, distinct from both holding and blocking. It should no longer be called blocking because it isn't.

Yes, holding in officiating is not the same as the dictionary word.

It is not "holding" if

1. The defender does not try to disengage.
2. It has no impact on the result of the play.
3. It is not at the point of attack.

Fans always complain re #2 in particular.

NFL is actually very generous re #3. In some major college conferences its almost impossible to get a holding call on a run for a loss or no gain.

 

[tyke1doe]

I mean no disrespect but, you’re ignorant, despite the facts presented to you.

Nothing I said was untrue. The Cowboys of the 90s were viewed like the Packers of today. Sorry, if that irks you.

 

[tyke1doe]

Erik Williams destroys Reggie Williams, they invent rules against his style of play. GB holds, and people are saying everybody should do it, instead of enforcing the rules correctly..

The way the Packers "hold" was the way offensive linemen were taught in earlier days. I see it as great technique. Shrug.

 

[tyke1doe]

Fact is if Dallas does it’ll be called.

Let me see if you catch the irony of your statement.

 

[DogFace]

Nothing I said was untrue. The Cowboys of the 90s were viewed like the Packers of today. Sorry, if that irks you.

What are you talking about? I haven’t replied or addressed any comment you’ve made.