The don't run enough, run enough, don't run enough trend continues

[Crown Royal]

Hard to run the football when your defense is on the field yesterday. Demarco's lack of carries had nothing to do with not wanting to run the ball.

That just isn't true. The first two series we ran one time out of I think 5 unsuccessful passes. And we ran very successfully. We ran 17 times on the whole day. Maybe the offense stays on the field a little longer if we run a little more.

If this offense had a quick strike feel to it, I would be all over the pass pass pass. But we really don't - it's more a meticulous, don't make mistake offense now. Which is ALL THE MORE REASON to run the ball.

 

[links18]

I don't see why it wouldn't. It would help control the clock in our favor and give Manning less time with the ball and less opportunities.

Meh, the board is all over the place today. We can't win unless we consistently pound the rock and keep our defense off the field. Then its, we can't consistently drive the ball without making mistakes, so we have to have big plays and score quickly in order to compensate for our tendency to blow drives with self-inflicted wounds. I don't know anymore. I surrender.

 

[Crown Royal]

If you go to the play by play sheet in the 2nd half Dallas did come out running the ball only we also had a couple of penalties that put us in longer down situation where Dallas was forced to pass. Dallas 2nd drive of the 2nd half again we come out running again but get hit with a holding that puts us in 2nd and 14 and we pass the ball. In the meantime SD eats up the clock with long drives capped with TD so on Dallas 3rd possesion which is now the 4th qrt with 6:54 left in the game and now behind 30 to 20 yes Dallas goes to the air at this point you really going to go to the running game when you have little time left on the clock and trailing by 2 scores? Claiming they gave up on the run? When you go back play by play they did not give up running

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2013092911/2013/REG4/cowboys@chargers#menu=highlights

I don't see a reason you can't run the ball on 2nd and 14.

 

[erod]

Can't run more off you keep dropping easy 3rd down conversions. Drops killed drives and Murray's opportunities to have a bigger impact.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

The 2nd part isn't the OC's fault. It's Romo's.

Romo can certainly share some blame on that, but if he is going away from the only game-breaking WR they have on the field then it is up to the coaches to step in and correct it. Shrugging shoulders and blaming Romo wouldn't be surprising, but it would be pretty pathetic on their part.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't see a reason you can't run the ball on 2nd and 14.

You could but that is not a case of giving up on the run because a coach calls a pass play on a 2nd and 14. The play they ran was a short pass to Beasley for a gain of 6 leaving 3nd and 8. However on 3rd and 8 and I guess you could run that down to was a dropped ball to Witten down the middle. After that drive which was only the 2nd drive of the half SD hits Gates for a long TD so now 3rd possession of the half we are down 21 to 30 with 6:54 to play and you are still running the ball?

Dallas had the ball all of 3 possesion 4th if you count 1:15 seconds left in the game

 

[Idgit]

While I almost never agree with the run-the-ball-more-when-you-were-passing-well arguments, there were a couple of third-and-short running downs yesterday where we went empty-set and passed the ball that left me scratching my head. There are some regular running situations where we choose to pass for some reason. In past years, I could understand it, but at this point early in this season, they are safe, makable calls, and we should be making more of them.

 

[JonJon]

Meh, the board is all over the place today. We can't win unless we consistently pound the rock and keep our defense off the field. Then its, we can't consistently drive the ball without making mistakes, so we have to have big plays and score quickly in order to compensate for our tendency to blow drives with self-inflicted wounds. I don't know anymore. I surrender.

Well it's hard to argue against the stats. When the Cowboys run more, we tend to win more. The more we throw, the less likely we win. But that really isn't anything new.

 

[Crown Royal]

You could but that is not a case of giving up on the run because a coach calls a pass play on a 2nd and 14. The play they ran was a short pass to Beasley for a gain of 6 leaving 3nd and 8. However on 3rd and 8 and I guess you could run that down to was a dropped ball to Witten down the middle. After that drive which was only the 2nd drive of the half SD hits Gates for a long TD so now 3rd possession of the game half we are down 21 to 30 with 6:54 to play and you are still running the ball?

Not going to lie, your argument is stronger than mine. I will re-think my stance.

 

[CowboyStar88]

They ran the ball very effectively in the fourth and used the play action to their benefit all game. I give the team a pass for the PA fake for the second play of the game not working, but then abandoning the run? Come on now; it was working very well and they were showing a cover 4 shell many, many times. If they are going to defend you deep all game, then shove it down their throats. It makes sense to punish the defense.

I'm talking about what the Charges did. When we got into a trail mode we didn't run the ball. But lets not sit here and act like running the ball was what lost us the game. We lost because they passed the ball better converted 3rd downs and stopped our passing attack and prevented us from making 3rd downs. That's what wins in this league. If it were all about running then the Vikings, Washington, Titans, Texans would all be world Champions over the last few years. They are not why? Because they didn't pass the ball as well as other teams. It's a simple formula and I don't get why everyone things anything different. The run game needs strike fear that the guy getting the ball will take it to the house. Ala AP or Johnson or Spiller or McCoy. Defenses are not scared of guys like Murray. That's how the run game works in today's League. You need to be explosive and we are not explosive

 

[JD_KaPow]

That just isn't true. The first two series we ran one time out of I think 5 unsuccessful passes. And we ran very successfully. We ran 17 times on the whole day. Maybe the offense stays on the field a little longer if we run a little more.

If this offense had a quick strike feel to it, I would be all over the pass pass pass. But we really don't - it's more a meticulous, don't make mistake offense now. Which is ALL THE MORE REASON to run the ball.

On the first two series, we ran 3 times and passed 4 times.One of those passes came on 3rd and 14 (another on 2nd and 14, which, sure, you could run on that , but it's hard to argue against passing).

We ran 17 times on the day because we barely ran any plays until the 4th quarter. In the first 3 quarters, we passed 20 times and ran 13 times. Not perfect balance, but not as out of whack as people seem to think.

Even on the first drive of the 4th quarter, we ran twice and passed three times until we ended up in 2nd-and-14 again. I'm simply not going to argue with the decision to pass on that down and distance.

 

[Doomsday101]

Not going to lie, your argument is stronger than mine. I will re-think my stance.

I'm upset with the team but people love throwing around the same argument to make it out to be the same old thing but it is not. Dallas did not give up on the run they ran it they also had instance where due to a penalty they are looking at 2nd and long then a 3rd and long. Had Dallas ran the ball in these instance people would be claiming they gave up and were not trying. 3rd possession we are down 2 score with 6:54 of course we are passing time is our enemy we can't sit there running the ball. Dallas defense just could not stop SD from long drives and we failed to come up with some grabs on key 3rd down to extend drives.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

That just isn't true. The first two series we ran one time out of I think 5 unsuccessful passes. And we ran very successfully. We ran 17 times on the whole day. Maybe the offense stays on the field a little longer if we run a little more.

If this offense had a quick strike feel to it, I would be all over the pass pass pass. But we really don't - it's more a meticulous, don't make mistake offense now. Which is ALL THE MORE REASON to run the ball.

We ran the ball 17 times. Chargers dominated the football yesterday. And by the time we got the ball back in the 4th we were down 11.......

 

[big dog cowboy]

I thought that Waters was supposed to solve all those problems.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

On the first two series, we ran 3 times and passed 4 times.One of those passes came on 3rd and 14 (another on 2nd and 14, which, sure, you could run on that , but it's hard to argue against passing).

We ran 17 times on the day because we barely ran any plays until the 4th quarter. In the first 3 quarters, we passed 20 times and ran 13 times. Not perfect balance, but not as out of whack as people seem to think.

Even on the first drive of the 4th quarter, we ran twice and passed three times until we ended up in 2nd-and-14 again. I'm simply not going to argue with the decision to pass on that down and distance.

Exactly. People are looking at the stats to determine if we're running enough. If you watched the game you would see why they only ran in 17 times. This wasn't like two weeks ago against the Chiefs where we simply stopped running.

 

[CowboyStar88]

I don't see a reason you can't run the ball on 2nd and 14.

Down 2 scores under 7 mins 2 and 14 you don't see a reason you can't run the ball?? Ok the statement right there shows the agenda here and you are not looking at situational football. If you are gonna run on 2&14 most of the time it's going to be a draw deep in your territory to not make a mistake and play field position. We are trying to win a game here and save time on the clock but the problem is again we have no urgency and no tempo and no explosion to strike fear in the defense and it's by play design.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I thought that Waters was supposed to solve all those problems.

I'll take 5 yards a carry any day of the week.

 

[Crown Royal]

I'm upset with the team but people love throwing around the same argument to make it out to be the same old thing but it is not. Dallas did not give up on the run they ran it they also had instance where due to a penalty they are looking at 2nd and long then a 3rd and long. Had Dallas ran the ball in these instance people would be claiming they gave up and were not trying. 3rd possession we are down 2 score with 6:54 of course we are passing time is our enemy we can't sit there running the ball. Dallas defense just could not stop SD from long drives and we failed to come up with some grabs on key 3rd down to extend drives.

Agree. I'm going to shut up and resume lurking. THanks Dooms.

 

[links18]

I thought that Waters was supposed to solve all those problems.

Signing Eddie George was supposed to solve something once upon a time, Peerless Price too.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Garrett badly wants to be a spread team. He badly wants to be what the Broncos are now, or what the Patriots were a few years ago.