The Draft and 40 times

[DandyDon52]

Speed is nice, but greatness comes in all sizes and speeds.
I want a RB who runs great routes, catches the ball with his hands, and has produced big time in college.
I want a RB with vision who sees the guy behind the guy trying to tackle him, a guy who makes defenders miss, and gets more than what was blocked for him, and has produced big time in college.

Sounds like you want OJ lol.

 

[gtb1943]

"Bullet" Bob Hayes says, "Hello!"

So does Tony Dorsett, Herschel Walker, Deion Sanders, OJ Simpson, Walter Payton, Bo Jackson, Darrell Green, Alvin Harper, Randy Moss, Adrian Peterson, Marshall Faulk, Chris Johnson, Tyreek Hill, DK Metcalf, etc.

All 4.40 or faster 40 times, and all contributed big for their teams in the NFL.

How many of them were the fastest guy at their combine?
Which is what I said; but as usual you are unable to answer

 

[gtb1943]

I forgot to mention Eric Dickerson and a few others. All ran 4.40 or faster 40 times, and all were big contributors in the NFL.

so what?

GO through Every Combine of the past thirty years and look at the top 10 forty times and you will find the MAJORITY of them never were all that.

 

[America's Cowboy]

so what?

GO through Every Combine of the past thirty years and look at the top 10 forty times and you will find the MAJORITY of them never were all that.

The MAJORITY? Nice goal post moving.

Bottom line, you got proven wrong.

 

[Creeper]

Well said. In addition, there are drills taken from track that teach techniques to get off the LOS quicker. Desean Jackson runs a clinic that teaches the first three steps off the LOS.

Also, there is speed and there is speed. If you look at the combine results, Matthew Golden ran a 4.29 and had a 1.49 10 yard split and a top speed of 23.57 mph. Isaiah Bond ran a 4.39 with a 1.51 split and a top speed of 24.17 mph, second highest top speed at this combine and 7th highest since 2023. Golden's top speed is 45th since 2023. If I want a guy to force defenses back, I would take the guys with the higher top speeds because that's where the DBs have to keep up. I am not advocating drafting Bond. Just making a point about speed. Getting from A to B the quickest is important, but going deep, I think it is about top speed.

btw, Mingo had a high top speed at the combine than Golden even though he ran a 4.46 at the combine. Maybe he slow start is why has hasn't been successful in the NFL?

 

[StarOfGlory]

btw, Mingo had a high top speed at the combine than Golden even though he ran a 4.46 at the combine. Maybe he slow start is why has hasn't been successful in the NFL?

That is probably the most likely explanation. He also is not the sharpest route runner. Jerry Rice was never the fastest guy on the field but he is the GOAT at running routes.

 

[kskboys]

Damn the 40 times stuff, some of the other workouts they do for certain players is non-important because they'll NEVER use those skills they're being tested on! Why are you testing a OL vertical?? Lol who the hell are they jumping to protect??? Their job is to stay low right??

No, they are all important, but they are simply tools to help evaluate players. What you're trying to say is that the combine shouldn't be used as a standalone judgment tool. It's just a small part of the evaluation.

 

[gtb1943]

The MAJORITY? Nice goal post moving.

Bottom line, you got proven wrong.

bottom line is you are very wrong
you claim speed is more important than anything else and I showed you that it is not
I WILL BE MORE BLUNT
show me the fastest forty guy from the last 30 combines.
I guarantee you no more than one or two were worth their picks

 

[blueblood70]

Fumbles by the RB kill also, and that’s been a huge problem for Blue in college.

Doesn't mean he won't get that corrected literally we saw guys in the pros you remember Tiki Barber the face of fumbling he got it fixed and I remember they said Zeke had a fumbling problem he had one year of a fumbling problem in a terrible year in 2020 he's not a fumbler but you can have that coach dad of you they'll figure it out in the pros but that's why you don't pick this guy though he's a way late 3rd rounder some way a 4th rounder but he's got skills this guy's a really good player i'm a Texas fan I know it seems biased but he's going to be a hidden gem somebody's going to pick him up and again if he's not a fumbler his speed ability to catch the football and he can run between the tackles he's like Tony Pollard and he went in the fourth round but he may even have more speed than Pollard so?

That's why this guy would be a great RB 2 but he could be substitute for an RB1 the man's got all kinds of skills.. As a Longhorn fan I watched this guy many times when our offense needed a spark it was struggling he was the spark plug the man made some crazy plays catches in traffic big runs but I don't know who you're talking to so I'm not going to go back and figure out what why you're discussing blue but he's worth picking late in the 3rd and early in the 4th as your secondary guy your change of pace back but he can be a starter but I wouldn't count on him as your three down everything guy like Zeke was or you know like people say AJ or maybe Hampton can be in this draft...

I know it's gonna sound biased but he's got the same traits as Trevion Henderson it's just that he has that knock on him just the fumbles and sometimes maybe he can't be consistent through the tackles but think about this as a poor man henderson in this draft so you don't want to pass him up just because he may be a fumbler..

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

“Blue has had eight total fumbles in his 214 career touches as a Longhorn, which calculates to one fumble per 26.7 touches, according to Eric Henry of 247Sports.”

Eight (8) fumbles on just 214 career touches is obscene.

 

[Risen Star]

Also related is the conference/“level of competition” snobbery.

Walter Payton played for an HBC, as did Jerry Rice (I believe).

Aaron Rodgers came out of the Pac-10.

Demarcus Ware went to Troy State.

Larry Allen - Sonoma St.

 

[kskboys]

Larry Allen - Sonoma St.

The huge majority NFL players come from top football schools.

 

[America's Cowboy]

bottom line is you are very wrong
you claim speed is more important than anything else and I showed you that it is not
I WILL BE MORE BLUNT
show me the fastest forty guy from the last 30 combines.
I guarantee you no more than one or two were worth their picks

There you go. Making up more bunk.

Show me where I said speed is more important than anything else? You won't find it, because I never said it. I expect an apology, but I doubt you will give it.

What I did say is that Speed Kills. I also said this team lacks speed, especially on offense. I also said Coach Schottenheimer mentioned recently how this team needs to get faster. All facts.

 

[Canada180]

Michael Irvin ran a 4.52 at the combine.
Emmitt Smith ran a 4.55 at the combine.

Speed is nice, but greatness comes in all sizes and speeds.
I want a RB who runs great routes, catches the ball with his hands, and has produced big time in college.
I want a RB with vision who sees the guy behind the guy trying to tackle him, a guy who makes defenders miss, and gets more than what was blocked for him, and has produced big time in college.

Wait for day three of the draft before gambling on traits you think can be developed.

My choices:
- WR in round 1….TMac, Golden, Edbuka (happy with any one of them at 12 or in a trade down)

- RB in round 2….Johnson, Henderson, Judkins (happy with any of them, assuming Hampton is gone)

- We can find quality CB, DT, Edge, and other depth in the rest of the draft. If someone wants a starting RG in the draft (I don’t think the Cowboys are thinking that way), we would have to do that early, probably pushing RB down into a danger zone.

Thanks for the post, but no way do I spend 12 on egbuka. No way. And I realize this draft is deep with Dts ....I think we need a difference maker at DT not depth.

 

[jazzcat22]

Any one remember Rocket Ismail?
Just asking what about his speed.

Who was the guy that threw a jersey in Bill Parcells face? Anthony Bryant? Wasn't he supposed to have some speed?

Alexander Wright, remember him as well, He had what, 4.1 speed?

 

[blueblood70]

Any one remember Rocket Ismail?
Just asking what about his speed.

Who was the guy that threw a jersey in Bill Parcells face? Anthony Bryant? Wasn't he supposed to have some speed?

Alexander Wright, remember him as well, He had what, 4.1 speed?

What's your point I think they're saying it can't only be about speed you know the ones that didn't do well and by the way Antonio Bryant was going to be a great player he just had knucklehead syndrome and decided he didn't want his NFL career that dude was going to be another good 88 you could tell I just see this as kind of a Justin Blackmon, Ruggs, and fuller type thing, sometimes it doesn't workout...

You need more than speed but speed can't be the only thing you have you also need to be able to get separation run routes read a defense and some nfl offenses make you have a 2 way go or worse you have to think a lot I think that's the point of this people are discussing these players need more than just speed..

But at the same time you have to have more than height and the ability to jump up and catch a ball because if you're issues with separation and getting off the line and getting free in the NFL is going to be tighter so that way you're going to already be behind and maybe not be as successful...

By the way Antonio Bryant was a whole lot like Dez but never launched over his work ethic and attitude..

 

[blueblood70]

Any one remember Rocket Ismail?
Just asking what about his speed.

Who was the guy that threw a jersey in Bill Parcells face? Anthony Bryant? Wasn't he supposed to have some speed?

Alexander Wright, remember him as well, He had what, 4.1 speed?

I think they're talking about guys like John Ross is good example of all speed no game.......

 

[America's Cowboy]

Any one remember Rocket Ismail?
Just asking what about his speed.

Who was the guy that threw a jersey in Bill Parcells face? Anthony Bryant? Wasn't he supposed to have some speed?

Alexander Wright, remember him as well, He had what, 4.1 speed?

Raghib "Rocket" Ismael: 5'11', 187 lbs, 4.28 seconds 40 time......SPEED!

Raghib "Rocket" Ismael had an 80 receptions, 1,100 yards receiving and 6 TDs season for the Cowboys in 1999 when Troy Aikman was throwing to him. Rocket's speed definitely was a difference maker.



https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/489/raghib-ismail

Too bad the Cowboys got Rocket Ismail to play for them towards the Rocket's last few years of his career. Imagine if the Cowboys had drafted Rocket Ismail in 1993 when he first joined the NFL? Wow, Rocket could have easily helped the Dallas Cowboys his rookie 1993 year and every year after that when the Cowboys won the Super Bowl in 1993, 1994 and 1996. Heck, Rocket with his speed could have made a difference and helped reach and win a Super Bowl in 1995 when the Cowboys lost in the NFC Championship Game to the 49ers. Just think about that. SPEED KILLS and definitely makes a difference.

As for Antonio Bryant, he never had speed. For a WR, he ran a slow 4.57 second 40 yard dash, and it showed on the field the few years he played in Dallas.

As for Alexander Wright and his alleged 4.14 seconds 40 time and winning the NFL's Fastest Man Competition in 1992 and 1993, the man was a track star, not a bonafied football player, hence why he struggled to ever accomplish anything with the Cowboys or any other team thereafter.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/6667

Alexander Wright even stunk as a player in college (Auburn). Absolutely was not a football player. Only good for running track.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/alexander-wright-1.html

 

[ShiningStar]

Raghib "Rocket" Ismael: 5'11', 187 lbs, 4.28 seconds 40 time......SPEED!

Raghib "Rocket" Ismael had an 80 receptions, 1,100 yards receiving and 6 TDs season for the Cowboys in 1999 when Troy Aikman was throwing to him. Rocket's speed definitely was a difference maker.



https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/489/raghib-ismail

Too bad the Cowboys got Rocket Ismail to play for them towards the Rocket's last few years of his career. Imagine if the Cowboys had drafted Rocket Ismail in 1993 when he first joined the NFL? Wow, Rocket could have easily helped the Dallas Cowboys his rookie 1993 year and every year after that when the Cowboys won the Super Bowl in 1993, 1994 and 1996. Heck, Rocket with his speed could have made a difference and helped reach and win a Super Bowl in 1995 when the Cowboys lost in the NFC Championship Game to the 49ers. Just think about that. SPEED KILLS and definitely makes a difference.

As for Antonio Bryant, he never had speed. For a WR, he ran a slow 4.57 second 40 yard dash, and it showed on the field the few years he played in Dallas.

As for Alexander Wright and his alleged 4.14 seconds 40 time and winning the NFL's Fastest Man Competition in 1992 and 1993, the man was a track star, not a bonafied football player, hence why he struggled to ever accomplish anything with the Cowboys or any other team thereafter.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/6667

Alexander Wright even stunk as a player in college (Auburn). Absolutely was not a football player. Only good for running track.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/alexander-wright-1.html

you have to be durable in this league.

no one cares if you have a ferrari when its always in the garage.

paying a guy 100 million to sit on the sides is a bad investment.

 

[America's Cowboy]

you have to be durable in this league.

no one cares if you have a ferrari when its always in the garage.

paying a guy 100 million to sit on the sides is a bad investment.

Correct. This too. ^^^