The Draft and FA has become clear

[Redball Express]

We all see things we need fixed or corrected.

The hiring of McCarthy resets the coaching issues.

But what about what the team needs personnel-wise?

#1-TE

In watching the playoffs it's clear how much the playoff teams used their TEs to defeat the opposing defense.

KC, 49ers, Philly, Titans all had top ranked TEs to fuel the offense against good defenses.

We certainly know firsthand how TEs shredded us and sank our safeties trying to cover them.

Now I like Jarwin. But he is not a force on the field to rely on. He is another of those Garrett projects using TE by Committee.

And if he was all that good, he would have taken snaps from Witten. He could not.

So either Jarwin and Schultz split TE or we sign a FA for the starter and give Jarwin or Schultz the rest of the snaps.

There are several TEs to sign in FA like Ebron that could help us and also possibly in the 2nd rd. Of the draft. Relying on and playing by committee and the numbers to get production is not the best choice I think.

It has not worked before and Moore having to juggle his playcalling to utilize the TEs seems not efficient for Dak.

Finding a solid answer here pays big dividends. Think Jay Novachek, Witten or Jay Saldi types for this need. But find it now.

#2 -Safety and CB

I will not go on about this here. There are many threads to discuss this or go to the Draft forum and see what is being said.

But the point is, it's been 25 years since we had a solid player at either safety and now CB will be a problem going forward.

We tried to address CB with Byron Jones. IMO he never gave us what we needed as he bounced around his 1st 2 years trying each safety position. He was not a great tackler and was not a ball hawk.

So Richard moved him to CB where he found his home but now he is possibly not going to be resigned and Richard is not around to make Jones to be his pet cat.

I would expect Jones to take a regression under the new DC even if he stays. New defensive schemes are coming and Jones has to make some changes in his game.

So needing talent in the secondary is even more important now.

The draft at #17 pick offers our best bet for a quality safety or a CB. I think strength from the middle out is our biggest need on defense and is the key for us in 2020.

But something has to be addressed soon or we are going to be dealing with an aerial bombardment coming like we ain't never seen before.

No amount of offense is going to offset this.

And lastly..

#3 DT/DE

This area of the team is really a haze right now. So many guys coming and going its dizzy right now.

In looking how GB and the 49ers rebuilt their lines defensively so quickly is a good model to emulate. FAs were found who fit their defensive schemes well.

We should be so lucky.

Obviously if a top DL drops to 17, we probably grab him. But whatever, we can not reach for a Gregory type and we have enough rotational types leftover from the Marinelli Era.

So how do you guys prioritize this list of key needs and what is done to fix them?

 

[Hennessy_King]

where this front office has floundered is in free agency and signing capable contributors. You build through the draft and supplement through free agency.

 

[Sydla]

Pelt me with empty beer cans and tomatoes if you want but TE would not be the #1 need for me in FA or the draft (I apologize if you didn't put these in order).

In my view, the order of needs to be addressed in FA/draft:

1) DT
2) S

Those are the two top needs IMO.

3) CB - they have to figure out what to do with Jones
4) DE - If there is no Quinn or Bennett, DE is really weak IMO

then I'd go TE IMO.

 

[D4KADON]

I'd actually do it in reverse order...3..2..1 of your initial post.

 

[AmericanCowboy]

Hard to know if Jarwin actually was better than Witten since Witten was gifted everything his last few years.

Once you were a "Garrett Guy" you weren't losing your spot for anything.

 

[Proof]

where this front office has floundered is in free agency and signing capable contributors. You build through the draft and supplement through free agency.

I loved their aggressive approach this year, even after sitting out the first wave. Loved the Cobb signing, loved trading for Quinn and Bennett. They tried signing Watkins (glad they missed) the amari trade, attempts at earl and Jamal. It seems as though they may be more willing to be active moving forward. Hopefully anyway

 

[JBS]

First of all, TE is definitely a need. However, it's closer to the bottom of this list than the top. Lastly, you can't bunch positions together and claim them as one need. We have needs at all of those positions..big needs..Imo, we don't have the resources to satisfy all of those holes..

S
Cb
Dt
De
Te

Those are all separate needs...and they're glaring

 

[Proof]

First of all, TE is definitely a need. However, it's closer to the bottom of this list than the top. Lastly, you can't bunch positions together and claim them as one need. We have needs at all of those positions..big needs..Imo, we don't have the resources to satisfy all of those holes..

S
Cb
Dt
De
Te

Those are all separate needs...and they're glaring

i don't think TE is glaring. Be a luxury at this point. Jarwin is more than capable (and deserving) of a full-time role. agreed on the rest though. And think I'd bump CB to number one.

 

[Redball Express]

Pelt me with empty beer cans and tomatoes if you want but TE would not be the #1 need for me in FA or the draft (I apologize if you didn't put these in order).

In my view, the order of needs to be addressed in FA/draft:

1) DT
2) S

Those are the two top needs IMO.

3) CB - they have to figure out what to do with Jones
4) DE - If there is no Quinn or Bennett, DE is really weak IMO

then I'd go TE IMO.

No prob.

No I did not order it by Priority.

Just top needs list.

And it will probably take creating more cap space using Zeke and Tanks deals to find more resources if all these needs really get addressed in time enough to keep the team together long enough to win.

 

[CATCH17]

We just gotta find an impact guy somewhere and plug them in.

The problem is most of our foundation pieces that can make an impact are already here.

The most impactful position is QB but our guy is mediocre and I doubt very seriously we move on from him.

So only thing we can hope for is that someone comes out of nowhere and has a huge impact. Whether that is coaching or some rookie in the draft.

Dallas needs a difference maker though.

 

[big dog cowboy]

#1-TE

In watching the playoffs it's clear how much the playoff teams used their TEs to defeat the opposing defense.

Sorry but I stopped right there. The way other teams use TE's shouldn't dictate to McCarthy how he should use them. He has his offense and plans for that position. The fact he has won a Super Bowl as a HC allows him the right to use TE's as he sees fit. If he feels TE is a priority, fine. If not, he should not be criticized or compared to any offense that has one of the 2 best TE's in the game today. Which BTW, Kittle only had 4 catches for 36 yards last night.

 

[darthseinfeld]

No prob.

No I did not order it by Priority.

Just top needs list.

And it will probably take creating more cap space using Zeke and Tanks deals to find more resources if all these needs really get addressed in time enough to keep the team together long enough to win.

How do you plan on using Zeke and Tanks deals to find more resourses

 

[Romotil45]

We all see things we need fixed or corrected.

The hiring of McCarthy resets the coaching issues.

But what about what the team needs personnel-wise?

#1-TE

In watching the playoffs it's clear how much the playoff teams used their TEs to defeat the opposing defense.

KC, 49ers, Philly, Titans all had top ranked TEs to fuel the offense against good defenses.

We certainly know firsthand how TEs shredded us and sank our safeties trying to cover them.

Now I like Jarwin. But he is not a force on the field to rely on. He is another of those Garrett projects using TE by Committee.

And if he was all that good, he would have taken snaps from Witten. He could not.

So either Jarwin and Schultz split TE or we sign a FA for the starter and give Jarwin or Schultz the rest of the snaps.

There are several TEs to sign in FA like Ebron that could help us and also possibly in the 2nd rd. Of the draft. Relying on and playing by committee and the numbers to get production is not the best choice I think.

It has not worked before and Moore having to juggle his playcalling to utilize the TEs seems not efficient for Dak.

Finding a solid answer here pays big dividends. Think Jay Novachek, Witten or Jay Saldi types for this need. But find it now.

#2 -Safety and CB

I will not go on about this here. There are many threads to discuss this or go to the Draft forum and see what is being said.

But the point is, it's been 25 years since we had a solid player at either safety and now CB will be a problem going forward.

We tried to address CB with Byron Jones. IMO he never gave us what we needed as he bounced around his 1st 2 years trying each safety position. He was not a great tackler and was not a ball hawk.

So Richard moved him to CB where he found his home but now he is possibly not going to be resigned and Richard is not around to make Jones to be his pet cat.

I would expect Jones to take a regression under the new DC even if he stays. New defensive schemes are coming and Jones has to make some changes in his game.

So needing talent in the secondary is even more important now.

The draft at #17 pick offers our best bet for a quality safety or a CB. I think strength from the middle out is our biggest need on defense and is the key for us in 2020.

But something has to be addressed soon or we are going to be dealing with an aerial bombardment coming like we ain't never seen before.

No amount of offense is going to offset this.

And lastly..

#3 DT/DE

This area of the team is really a haze right now. So many guys coming and going its dizzy right now.

In looking how GB and the 49ers rebuilt their lines defensively so quickly is a good model to emulate. FAs were found who fit their defensive schemes well.

We should be so lucky.

Obviously if a top DL drops to 17, we probably grab him. But whatever, we can not reach for a Gregory type and we have enough rotational types leftover from the Marinelli Era.

So how do you guys prioritize this list of key needs and what is done to fix them?

Dak is getting the franchise tag which means Dak is not going to be happy and will prob test free agency. Therefore our first priority should be QB. You draft the best QB at 17 or trade up if you fall in love with somebody otherwise you take your chances that Dak doesn't holdout. Its not likely we will find another UDFA that becomes a franchise guy.

 

[Redball Express]

First of all, TE is definitely a need. However, it's closer to the bottom of this list than the top. Lastly, you can't bunch positions together and claim them as one need. We have needs at all of those positions..big needs..Imo, we don't have the resources to satisfy all of those holes..

S
Cb
Dt
De
Te

Those are all separate needs...and they're glaring

Yes.

All.

As I said..no priorities in my post..just needs.

And by no means is my list complete at all.

How this is addressed is by wise picking, wise deleting of players not needed, luck if somebody drops in the draft, gets cut from a team after the draft is finished, etc.

Like with finding Amari, we got lucky with his sudden availability in the season.

We could use one or two more like that deal happened.

 

[xwalker]

We all see things we need fixed or corrected.

The hiring of McCarthy resets the coaching issues.

But what about what the team needs personnel-wise?

#1-TE

In watching the playoffs it's clear how much the playoff teams used their TEs to defeat the opposing defense.

KC, 49ers, Philly, Titans all had top ranked TEs to fuel the offense against good defenses.

We certainly know firsthand how TEs shredded us and sank our safeties trying to cover them.

Now I like Jarwin. But he is not a force on the field to rely on. He is another of those Garrett projects using TE by Committee.

And if he was all that good, he would have taken snaps from Witten. He could not.

So either Jarwin and Schultz split TE or we sign a FA for the starter and give Jarwin or Schultz the rest of the snaps.

There are several TEs to sign in FA like Ebron that could help us and also possibly in the 2nd rd. Of the draft. Relying on and playing by committee and the numbers to get production is not the best choice I think.

It has not worked before and Moore having to juggle his playcalling to utilize the TEs seems not efficient for Dak.

Finding a solid answer here pays big dividends. Think Jay Novachek, Witten or Jay Saldi types for this need. But find it now.

#2 -Safety and CB

I will not go on about this here. There are many threads to discuss this or go to the Draft forum and see what is being said.

But the point is, it's been 25 years since we had a solid player at either safety and now CB will be a problem going forward.

We tried to address CB with Byron Jones. IMO he never gave us what we needed as he bounced around his 1st 2 years trying each safety position. He was not a great tackler and was not a ball hawk.

So Richard moved him to CB where he found his home but now he is possibly not going to be resigned and Richard is not around to make Jones to be his pet cat.

I would expect Jones to take a regression under the new DC even if he stays. New defensive schemes are coming and Jones has to make some changes in his game.

So needing talent in the secondary is even more important now.

The draft at #17 pick offers our best bet for a quality safety or a CB. I think strength from the middle out is our biggest need on defense and is the key for us in 2020.

But something has to be addressed soon or we are going to be dealing with an aerial bombardment coming like we ain't never seen before.

No amount of offense is going to offset this.

And lastly..

#3 DT/DE

This area of the team is really a haze right now. So many guys coming and going its dizzy right now.

In looking how GB and the 49ers rebuilt their lines defensively so quickly is a good model to emulate. FAs were found who fit their defensive schemes well.

We should be so lucky.

Obviously if a top DL drops to 17, we probably grab him. But whatever, we can not reach for a Gregory type and we have enough rotational types leftover from the Marinelli Era.

So how do you guys prioritize this list of key needs and what is done to fix them?

Draft: Best talent regardless of position. Focus on avoiding "bad" picks.

Would you prefer to have RB Dalvin Cook or Taco?

RB was not a need but Cook has value while Taco was cut. They could have traded Cook or leveraged him to sign Zeke for 8M per instead if 15M per...or they could have traded Zeke.

They also could have traded down for extra picks and still drafted Cook.

Same in 2009. LeSean McCoy or the Cowboys entire draft class...

Free Agency: Solid players like DT M.Brown was for the Saints (3 years, 15M) last off-season.

Let the new coaches have a year to see who fits and.who doesn't before making any big moves other than signing Dak and Cooper. Maybe Quinn if the price is reasonable.

Note: Safety Donovan Wilson (the Star of the preseason on defense) is reunited with his college position coach.

 

[CouchCoach]

FA isn't clear yet because the pool hasn't been filled.

The S need might be addressed through a trade, which would impact the draft but is Adams better than a S at 17? Question is what do the Jets want and is some other team willing to give it to them?

No one can argue about needing DL and secondary help but this is also unknown at this time because we do not know the status of Cooper or Jones yet.

I would also add LB to that needs list.

 

[Redball Express]

Draft: Best talent regardless of position. Focus on avoiding "bad" picks.

Would you prefer to have RB Dalvin Cook or Taco?

RB was not a need but Cook has value while Taco was cut. They could have traded Cook or leveraged him to sign Zeke for 8M per instead if 15M per...or they could have traded Zeke.

They also could have traded down for extra picks and still drafted Cook.

Same in 2009. LeSean McCoy or the Cowboys entire draft class...

Free Agency: Solid players like DT M.Brown was for the Saints (3 years, 15M) last off-season.

Let the new coaches have a year to see who fits and.who doesn't before making any big moves other than signing Dak and Cooper. Maybe Quinn if the price is reasonable.

Note: Safety Donovan Wilson (the Star of the preseason on defense) is reunited with his college position coach.

Yes to your post.

Interesting lines of thought.

I knew you would have some thoughts.

Your point about the staff needing a year to sort things out is definitely my thought, too.

This year to me is so uncertain as to be just unknowable.

So hoping we contend at all is fine by me in 2020.

More is being wishful I think.

Dak has to settle his finances, learn a new offense, unlearn Linehan's, protect his throwing arm and make some new commercials.

 

[McKDaddy]

The good news is that FA definitely offers the ability to shore up the DLine and potentially the strong safety position (depending how you view the available safeties). So I think we have a good chance to be able to go into the draft without being forced to address a certain position in the early rounds. The bigger question to me is "at what level will they fill the DT & safety positions"? In other words, i hope they target better player(s) in FA rather than shopping solely in the bargain bin.

With the cap in good shape a new coaching staff, owners clearly thinking a window is open for this team and the need to make a "splash" to rejuvenate the fan base, I have more hope that they will spend a little more freely to truly upgrade the talent.

 

[ChuckA1]

So, if we can keep Quinn and/or Bennett, I'd target DT and S in FA and the draft. If we can get a good DT in FA, then we go after a S or BPA in the first round. If we get a good safety in FA, then we target a DT or BPA in the draft. Just my $0.02.

 

[aikemirv]

Pelt me with empty beer cans and tomatoes if you want but TE would not be the #1 need for me in FA or the draft (I apologize if you didn't put these in order).

In my view, the order of needs to be addressed in FA/draft:

1) DT
2) S

Those are the two top needs IMO.

3) CB - they have to figure out what to do with Jones
4) DE - If there is no Quinn or Bennett, DE is really weak IMO

then I'd go TE IMO.

I agree but maybe different reasons than you. I figure if you have Cooper, Gallup, Cobb, Pollard, Zeke and possibly Tavon, you as a coordinator should be creative enough to function well without a top TE.