The draft of Canty, Spears & Burnette

[Dough Boy]

I wasn't the only one who saw it. I recall several others on this very board, on draft day commenting on it as well. The guy has serious raw talent, I just don't think the laziness factor can be overcome. He could get by with it in college, but not here.

You are correct sir:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31123

I guess you and I were both wrong and Lenord Little proved to be correct. Go figure.

 

[MarkBrunell]

Chris Canty wasn't lazy at UVA. He had an unfortunate accident and if it hadn't happened he would have been a sure fire 1rst round pick. He's probably the scariest human being you will EVER see and he pretty much owned every lineman he played against in College.

Why hes sucking so much in Dallas is beyond me. When Washington selected some scrub FB out of UCLA over him in the 4rth round I literally threw my entire delicious Subway sub right at my TV...

 

[Dough Boy]

Chris Canty wasn't lazy at UVA. He had an unfortunate accident and if it hadn't happened he would have been a sure fire 1rst round pick. He's probably the scariest human being you will EVER see and he pretty much owned every lineman he played against in College.

Why hes sucking so much in Dallas is beyond me. When Washington selected some scrub FB out of UCLA over him in the 4rth round I literally threw my entire delicious Subway sub right at my TV...

nobody said Canty was lazy. He's still a great fourth round value. He'd be a great value if the staff learned how to use him.

 

[Sarge]

Chris Canty wasn't lazy at UVA. He had an unfortunate accident and if it hadn't happened he would have been a sure fire 1rst round pick. He's probably the scariest human being you will EVER see and he pretty much owned every lineman he played against in College.

Why hes sucking so much in Dallas is beyond me. When Washington selected some scrub FB out of UCLA over him in the 4rth round I literally threw my entire delicious Subway sub right at my TV...

No one said Canty was lazy in college. He wasn't. Give him time. He's a rookie. I personally think he will be a solid contributor. Spears on the other hand........

 

[BAZ]

I literally threw my entire delicious Subway sub right at my TV...

Was it still edible?

 

[CalCBFan]

Spears and Maroney were in different draft classes.

You're right DoughBoy. For some reason I thought maroney was taken the same year as Barber III since they were teammates, but I realized that Maroney is only a rookie when I was listening to the DC.com stuff. Wish it could have been so...

 

[jay cee]

but they have eached flashed the talent in the pro's. The truth is, Parcell's each man beat his man def no longer works. I remember Joe Gibbs saying after his first year back, the one thing that changed the most was the attacking def. When he last coached (ie when Parcells was still King) the offense dictated tempo to the def. Now, all that has changed (ie, Blitzburg, Ravens, San Diego etc...)

Parcells system of each man beating thier man is no longer a viable option. You have a front seven, what is the probablity that each man beats his man on the same play. If you watch our game, its always one guy getting beat on each play. Its not the whole team. Parcells really has no scheme on D. Its a base 3-4. How long did we all thing it would take bright offensive minds to break his code. Payton and Reid destroyed the D, but they will not be the last. If an offensive coordinator knows how you are going to react to each play, then they will design a game plan to kill you. Just think about last night and the task we asked our front seven. On each play you are asking them to beat Shawn Andrews one on one. To me Andrews has the immediate advantage. 1) He knows where the play is going, the def does not. 2) He also knows where the def is going, becasue its a base 3-4 and each guy has two gaps to cover. If he and the running back both know who the front seven will react, how easy is it to minipulate and cut back. How easy is it to influence the d and then cut back.

Parcells must realize, the NFL is no longer a man to man league. We need to add some scheme to the good talent we have.

Great post. I agree, they don't force the offense to make any adjustments to them.

You would think as confused as the Cowboys o-line can look at times, they would take the hint and try and cause confusion to the opponents offense.

 

[Chuck 54]

Everyone always wants to say it's too early to know or they'll take Spears and JJ, but I'll tell you what:

I'd trade Julius Jones and Marcus Spears for Stephen Jackson right now..., but there's no way the Rams would be that stupid.

People can say what they want about coaching...bull...Marcus Spears isn't worth spit...I've watched him enough this season, and in my opinion the game against Philly was as bad as any he's been in all year.

Marcus Spears is fat, soft, and has absolutely no fire...unless he too is injured, he looked like a little kid that turns his shoulder sideways and leans into the other player...if I saw him running around, firing off the line, chasing, or showing any type of spirit, I'd let him off the hook and say maybe he's just not cut out for playing 3-4 DE, but I don't see any of that.

I'd love for someone with some tape of the Philly game to tell me I'm wrong and that he showed any athleticism or fire at all...I watched him again and again, and he never once even came across the line with anything that looked like "want to"....in my opinion, he may end up being the next great first round bust in the Cowboys last decade of trying to find DE's.

 

[Rustinpeace21]

During the eagle game the were showing like an endzone replay of a tight end running his route, and it was an obvious passing down, so you see spears up and a tackle one on one, i dont care what scheme your in, if your the Defensive end against the tackle, you should generate some pressure. But nope he just got pushed aside

 

[Chuck 54]

Wouldn't surprise me if Spears goes the route of Alonzo Spellman...he may just up and quit one day because he can't handle it...with Spellman it was his mental illness...with Spears, it may end up being he's just not tough enough and will get tired of being owned like a little kid.

CAnty may not end up doing much either, but at least I see effort and fight on his part.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

was this a bad draft by BP. If so, we have really set this defense back 5 years.

If BP retires after this season is over..which seems to be in 2 more games.

Are we any closer to a SB than we were when he first arrived in Dallas?

5 years!!! how did you figure that out?


I think just reading your comment set me back mentally for 5 years

are we any closer!! ***...we are in the freaking playoffs.... before bp we were 5-11 three freaking straight years!!! *** are you drinking!!!

 

[burmafrd]

Its no longer possible to build a team that can do what we did in the 90s. everyone knew what we were going to do and we did it anyway. You cannot keep an O line together long enough and make it good enough to do that; you cannot keep a D together long enough for it to get that good.
Lets face it- the last really top D was ravens 2000, and it was really only great for one year. And that was somewhat of a fluke.

 

[JPM]

All 3 are very good talents who need to be unleashed.

I tend to agree with you Hos. I still wish we took a chance on Ahmad Brooks. The way James is playing I think I'd rather him in there.

 

[Haley94]

Spears is lazy and has been since his LSU days. I guarantee, what you see now is what you'll get.........no more, perhaps less.

I agree. Spears is a first round bust. Not tough enough to play in the 3-4. Might be good in a one gap system.

 

[BeWare94]

was this a bad draft by BP. If so, we have really set this defense back 5 years.

If BP retires after this season is over..which seems to be in 2 more games.

Are we any closer to a SB than we were when he first arrived in Dallas?

To Parcells credit at least we are in the dance and the conversation. However, given what he was billed as he has been a disappointment.

 

[BeWare94]

Spears is lazy and has been since his LSU days. I guarantee, what you see now is what you'll get.........no more, perhaps less.

I know what you are saying, Sarge but I am tired of blaming the players. It can't be all of them...and I watch the games, too. Mike Zimmer has no idea how to call, design or deploy defense. He is the worst defensive coach in the pros. We need to go out and get a guy like Dave Wannstedt, Dick LeBeau or Dom Capers (who was available this past offseason) that knows how to put a defense together but Big Bill is too stubborn to give anyone control over the unit that might upstage him.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

was this a bad draft by BP. If so, we have really set this defense back 5 years.

If BP retires after this season is over..which seems to be in 2 more games.

Are we any closer to a SB than we were when he first arrived in Dallas?

No it wasn't a bad draft, not by a long stretch.

Ware is excellent and probably the best player on the team and an elite OLB in his second year. The guy has forced FIVE fumbles this year has 2 TD's, and INT and 8.5 sacks. And remember, he's dropping in coverage at least 20% of the time.

Spears and Canty are legit starters. Spears is frustrating because he'll look good one game than suck the next (he did play well against Philly). The problem with Canty is that he's a one dimensional guy. He stops the run well and if we had other people that could get to the QB in the 3-4 and the nickel, we'd be fine with Canty as a starter on 1st and 2nd down. Problem is that we don't have that (thanks Zimmer) and so we now need for Canty to rush the passer and he doesn't have the talent. And mind you, he was only a 4th rounder. We also got Barber in the 4th round and Jay Ratliff is way better than he should be for a 7th rounder. So no, this wasn't a bad draft. Burnett is bad, but it was actually quite a good draft in 2005.



YAKUZA

 

[alancdc]

was this a bad draft by BP. If so, we have really set this defense back 5 years.

If BP retires after this season is over..which seems to be in 2 more games.

Are we any closer to a SB than we were when he first arrived in Dallas?

I think the problem is that some of us don't want to remember how just horrible we were when Bill arrived. We had, what, 3 straight years of 5-11? Ryan Leaf, Stoerner, Hutchison, shall we go on? Man we were bad, and just because we aren't 12-4 and hopefully we get to 10-6 we wwonder if we are better today? Of course we are better today, but having said that if we don't make it to the NFC Championship I will be disapointed. The good thing about the NFC is that all any team needs is to pull a Steelers and get hot. My glass is still half full!