The dumbest article ever - Grey Cup champ can beat Superbowl champ

[playmakers]

Apparantly, someone at the Toronto Sun seems to think with their rules that the Grey Cup Champion will defeat the Superbowl champion. Heres the article which is no longer up from what I can find


Regarding the CFL-NFL debate: Some very good players have had great careers in both leagues, such as Joe Theismann and Warren Moon. At one time the CFL was able to lure some outstanding college players -- Leo Lewis, Jackie Parker -- away from the NFL. in 1981, the Montreal Alouettes not only signed quarterback Vince Ferragamo but lured two NFL first-round picks to Montreal -- Keith Gary and David Overstreet. Ferragamo struggled in the CFL, as did Ricky Williams last year, so the debate goes on. The NFL may be better in a lot of things, but a lot of players who have played in both leagues will tell you the CFL game is quicker. The only way to settle it is to have the Grey Cup champ versus the Super Bowl winner in a four-game series -- two games with CFL rules, two games NFL rules, alternating fields.

WAYNE NEUMANN

http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/FanFare/home.html


First reply to this article

The CFL would whip the NFL in an ALL-STAR game, or two. I say have one game, NFL rules, in an NFL stadium. Then have the other game, CFL rules in a CFL stadium.

The last time they had an ALL-star game like this one, was when Hamilton Tigercats humiliated the Buffalo Bills. It wasn't even close.

The NFL probably won't agree to a re-match of this type. Too bad, I was looking forward to seeing those overweight out-of-shape linebackers trying to run on a wider CFL field.



HA ha this is such ridicoulus, this makes want to stop the season for a week and go whoop these guys like 100-14. Not only that imagine Devin Hester returning a kick on a wider field. Imagine a starting line-up of

QB Peyton Manning
RB L Tomilson
WR Owens
WR CJohnson
WR Randy Moss
TE A GAtes
OT Odgen
OT Pace or WJones
C Gurode or Mawe
G Hutchinson
G SAndrews

DEF [the 3-4}
DE Jason Taylor
DT Tommie Harris or Richard Seymour
DE Dwight Freeney
OLB SMerriman
OLB DWare
MLB Ray Lewis
ILB Brian Uralcher
DB Champ Bailey
DB Terrance Newman or Rashon Mathis
S Ed Reed
S Adrian Wilson


Just ridiculus

 

[playmakers]

Heres a list of the CFL QB's this year. Man, alot of the who's who of college football in there but nobody that good.


Allen, Damon QB, Toronto Argonauts
Banks, Brad QB, Montreal Alouettes
Bishop, Michael QB, Toronto Argonauts
Brady, Marcus QB, Montreal Alouettes
Burris, Henry QB, Calgary Stampeders
Butler, Rocky QB, Toronto Argonauts
Calvillo, Anthony QB, Montreal Alouettes
Chang, Timmy QB, Hamilton Tiger-Cats
Crandell, Marcus QB, Saskatchewan Roughriders
Crouch, Eric QB, Free Agent
Dickenson, Dave QB, BC Lions
Dinwiddie, Ryan QB, Winnipeg Blue Bombers
Durant, Darian QB, Saskatchewan Roughriders
Elliott, Brett QB, Hamilton Tiger-Cats
Glenn, Kevin QB, Winnipeg Blue Bombers
Guidugli, Gino QB, BC Lions
Holland, Justin QB, Free Agent
Jackson, Jarious QB, BC Lions
Joseph, Kerry QB, Saskatchewan Roughriders
Jyles, Steven QB, Edmonton Eskimos
Kent, Robert QB, Free Agent
Kingsbury, Kliff QB, Winnipeg Blue Bombers
LeFors, Stefan QB, Edmonton Eskimos
Maas, Jason QB, Montreal Alouettes
McMahon, Mike QB, Montreal Alouettes
Nealy, Barrick QB, Calgary Stampeders
Pickett, Cody QB, Toronto Argonauts
Pierce, Buck QB, BC Lions
Printers, Casey QB, Hamilton Tiger-Cats
Proctor, Will QB, Montreal Alouettes
Ray, Ricky QB, Edmonton Eskimos
Sankey, Ben QB, Calgary Stampeders
Smith, Akili QB, Calgary Stampeders
Tate, Andrew QB, Saskatchewan Roughriders
Taylor, Zac QB, Winnipeg Blue Bombers
Williams, Richie QB, Hamilton Tiger-Cats





Will Proctor will outduel TOm Brady[haha]

 

[irvin88]

Rules can have an impact ! You'd think that Lebron james, Allen Iverson and Tim Duncan, etc. could beat Spain in the Olympics....but they couldn't.

 

[playmakers]

I remember many in here said this guy reminded them of Emmitt.


http://www.cfl.ca/index.php?module=roster&func=display&ros_id=812



Ill admit he wore 22 and was about the same size, but lets not get carried away



If you go to the rosters of the CFL there are some college football legends in there like



Rashon Woods OK st. (Ill admit, i thought he was good)
Anothny Davis RB Wisconsin (THis guy was fast)

Ex Cowboys
Joey Thomas is a member of the Tor Argonauts
Lance Frazier is a Roughrider
Chris Brazzell
Louis Mackey
Willie Pile
John Avery

 

[playmakers]

The Olympics comparison is wrong IMO because you cannot compare the 2 sports.

 

[Rampage]

Apparantly, someone at the Toronto Sun seems to think with their rules that the Grey Cup Champion will defeat the Superbowl champion. Heres the article which is no longer up from what I can find


Regarding the CFL-NFL debate: Some very good players have had great careers in both leagues, such as Joe Theismann and Warren Moon. At one time the CFL was able to lure some outstanding college players -- Leo Lewis, Jackie Parker -- away from the NFL. in 1981, the Montreal Alouettes not only signed quarterback Vince Ferragamo but lured two NFL first-round picks to Montreal -- Keith Gary and David Overstreet. Ferragamo struggled in the CFL, as did Ricky Williams last year, so the debate goes on. The NFL may be better in a lot of things, but a lot of players who have played in both leagues will tell you the CFL game is quicker. The only way to settle it is to have the Grey Cup champ versus the Super Bowl winner in a four-game series -- two games with CFL rules, two games NFL rules, alternating fields.

WAYNE NEUMANN

http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/FanFare/home.html


First reply to this article

The CFL would whip the NFL in an ALL-STAR game, or two. I say have one game, NFL rules, in an NFL stadium. Then have the other game, CFL rules in a CFL stadium.

The last time they had an ALL-star game like this one, was when Hamilton Tigercats humiliated the Buffalo Bills. It wasn't even close.

The NFL probably won't agree to a re-match of this type. Too bad, I was looking forward to seeing those overweight out-of-shape linebackers trying to run on a wider CFL field.



HA ha this is such ridicoulus, this makes want to stop the season for a week and go whoop these guys like 100-14. Not only that imagine Devin Hester returning a kick on a wider field. Imagine a starting line-up of

QB Peyton Manning
RB L Tomilson
WR Owens
WR CJohnson
WR Randy Moss
TE A GAtes
OT Odgen
OT Pace or WJones
C Gurode or Mawe
G Hutchinson
G SAndrews

DEF [the 3-4}
DE Jason Taylor
DT Tommie Harris or Richard Seymour
DE Dwight Freeney
OLB SMerriman
OLB DWare
MLB Ray Lewis
ILB Brian Uralcher
DB Champ Bailey
DB Terrance Newman or Rashon Mathis
S Ed Reed
S Adrian Wilson


Just ridiculus

:laugh2:

 

[YosemiteSam]

It would be just like the Olympics when they first started allowing NBA players and before the US started sending NBA schleps in place of the NBA's best players. They would get routed and it wouldn't be pretty.

How stupid was that. They wanted everyone to win gold, but the Olympics is about the best players the world has to offer competing, not about "Lets see how many different people can get gold from the US"

 

[Yeagermeister]

Heres a list of the CFL QB's this year. Man, alot of the who's who of college football in there but nobody that good.


Allen, Damon QB, Toronto Argonauts
Banks, Brad QB, Montreal Alouettes
Bishop, Michael QB, Toronto Argonauts
Brady, Marcus QB, Montreal Alouettes
Burris, Henry QB, Calgary Stampeders
Butler, Rocky QB, Toronto Argonauts
Calvillo, Anthony QB, Montreal Alouettes
Chang, Timmy QB, Hamilton Tiger-Cats
Crandell, Marcus QB, Saskatchewan Roughriders
Crouch, Eric QB, Free Agent
Dickenson, Dave QB, BC Lions
Dinwiddie, Ryan QB, Winnipeg Blue Bombers
Durant, Darian QB, Saskatchewan Roughriders
Elliott, Brett QB, Hamilton Tiger-Cats
Glenn, Kevin QB, Winnipeg Blue Bombers
Guidugli, Gino QB, BC Lions
Holland, Justin QB, Free Agent
Jackson, Jarious QB, BC Lions
Joseph, Kerry QB, Saskatchewan Roughriders
Jyles, Steven QB, Edmonton Eskimos
Kent, Robert QB, Free Agent
Kingsbury, Kliff QB, Winnipeg Blue Bombers
LeFors, Stefan QB, Edmonton Eskimos
Maas, Jason QB, Montreal Alouettes
McMahon, Mike QB, Montreal Alouettes
Nealy, Barrick QB, Calgary Stampeders
Pickett, Cody QB, Toronto Argonauts
Pierce, Buck QB, BC Lions
Printers, Casey QB, Hamilton Tiger-Cats
Proctor, Will QB, Montreal Alouettes
Ray, Ricky QB, Edmonton Eskimos
Sankey, Ben QB, Calgary Stampeders
Smith, Akili QB, Calgary Stampeders
Tate, Andrew QB, Saskatchewan Roughriders
Taylor, Zac QB, Winnipeg Blue Bombers
Williams, Richie QB, Hamilton Tiger-Cats





Will Proctor will outduel TOm Brady[haha]

He could beat an NFL team all by himself.......LARGE!!!!!!!

 

[Canadian BoyzFan]

The artical is rubbish and I am Canadian. The only point of any merit is that there is a difference in the 2 games and the NFL ers would have to adjust. However, from a talent standpoint.......LOL. Not even close.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think the CFL champ would have their hands full with USC or LSU. As for the NFL I don't think the CFL champs beat the worst of the NFL teams let alone the NFL championship teams

 

[joseephuss]

The artical is rubbish and I am Canadian. The only point of any merit is that there is a difference in the 2 games and the NFL ers would have to adjust. However, from a talent standpoint.......LOL. Not even close.

The CFL guys would also have to adjust to NFL rules. No forward motion, smaller fields and smaller endzones. That would limit their offenses and what they are used to doing. In my opinion it would be easier for and NFL offense to adjust to the CFL rules than the other way around. The opposite holds true for the defenses. NFL defenses would have it tougher under the CFL rules. Just way more advantages to the offense in that system. None of these adjustments in the different rules and procedures could overcome the difference in talent. The NFL is just too good.

The basketball comparison is not equivalent to this situation. Some of the international teams are gaining talent and in the recent past have sent teams that are close in talent to what the U.S sent. The U.S. did not send it's most talented team to the last Olympics or the previous World championships. Another difference is that the U.S. sent a pretty young and inexperienced team, while some of the opponents had been playing together for a while.

We are talking about sending the best NFL players into this imaginary game. It would not be close.

 

[Hostile]

They could call the CFL team the Washington Generals.

 

[THUMPER]

I think the CFL champ would have their hands full with USC or LSU. As for the NFL I don't think the CFL champs beat the worst of the NFL teams let alone the NFL championship teams

Now that would be a good matchup, the CFL champs vs USC. Interesting...

Back in the 50s & early 60s there were a number of exhibition games between NFL and CFL teams. This was at a time when the CFL was raiding the NFL pretty heavily and had a much better talent base than they do now. Yet the NFL won every game convincingly.

The only game the CFL ever won was against the 2nd year AFL Buffalo Bills.

You can check it out here; http://www.mmbolding.com/BSR/Candian_Football_League_vs_National_Football_League.htm

It would be no contest now as the talent level is miles apart.

 

[THUMPER]

Rules can have an impact ! You'd think that Lebron james, Allen Iverson and Tim Duncan, etc. could beat Spain in the Olympics....but they couldn't.

This is not a good comparison as several of the international teams have current NBA players, whereas the CFL has at best NFL rejects. Also, you may have noticed that this year's Team USA, which was made of of truly top NBA players, wiped out everyone they played. That Olympic team was a joke.

The CFL is barely a minor league compared with the NFL and would have a tough time beating some of the better college teams.

 

[Mavs Man]

Anything can happen ... in a video game.

 

[Doomsday101]

This is not a good comparison as several of the international teams have current NBA players whereas the CFL has at best NFL rejects. Also, you may have noticed that this year's Team USA, which was made of of truly top NBA players, wiped out everyone they played. That Olympic team was a joke.

The CFL is barely a minor league compared with the NFL and would have a tough time beating some of the better college teams.

I would say the biggest problem with the US basketball team is too many hot dogs on the team who are playing for all the wrong reasons and fail to play like a team instead it is about them as individuals

 

[THUMPER]

I would say the biggest problem with the US basketball team is too many hot dogs on the team who are playing for all the wrong reasons and fail to play like a team instead it is about them as individuals

If you watched them this year you would have seen a very different approach as guys like Kobe were passing more and getting Carmello and LeBron in scoring position. People dog Kobe for a lot of things but when he is playing team ball he is one of the best in the league. Most of the guys gave the credit to how the team was playing to him. The combination of Kobe and Jason Kidd has really turned Team USA around and made them into a team.

 

[joseephuss]

Now that would be a good matchup, the CFL champs vs USC. Interesting...

Back in the 50s & early 60s there were a number of exhibition games between NFL and CFL teams. This was at a time when the CFL was raiding the NFL pretty heavily and had a much better talent base than they do now. Yet the NFL won every game convincingly.

The only game the CFL ever won was against the 2nd year AFL Buffalo Bills.

You can check it out here; http://www.mmbolding.com/BSR/Candian_Football_League_vs_National_Football_League.htm

It would be no contest now as the talent level is miles apart.

I heard there used to be exhibition games between college all stars and NFL teams back then as well.

I also heard that people had to walk to school in the snow up hill both ways back then. And they had no internet or cell phones. What a bunch of chumps.

 

[Doomsday101]

If you watched them this year you would have seen a very different approach as guys like Kobe were passing more and getting Carmello and LeBron in scoring position. People dog Kobe for a lot of things but when he is playing team ball he is one of the best in the league. Most of the guys gave the credit to how the team was playing to him. The combination of Kobe and Jason Kidd has really turned Team USA around and made them into a team.

I know with the last so called dream team I was so disgusted with the behavior of these guys playing international basketball that I started pulling for the other countries. If players do not want to represent this country with some sense of class then I don't care about their individual success. The Olympics in my opinion should be about sportsmanship it is not the NBA where if you want to act like a knuckle head that is your choice. It is also why I stopped watching the NBA

 

[THUMPER]

I heard there used to be exhibition games between college all stars and NFL teams back then as well.

There were 42 annual charity exhibition games between the College All-Stars and the NFL champs from 1934-1976. The NFL record was 31-9-2 so the college teams weren't that bad, especially when you consider they were playing against the team that won the NFL Championship.

The 1965 game had a number of future Cowboys playing for the College All-Star team: Roger Staubach, Craig Morton, Bob Hayes, and Lance Rentzel and was a pretty good game against the 1964 NFL champ Cleveland Browns.

The last time the All-Stars won was in 1963 when they beat the Packers 20-17.

We won our game after the 1971 SB 20-7.

The 1972 College All-Star Game


In 1972, the All-Star Game returned to the policy of using college coaches with the selection of Bob Devaney of Nebraska to lead the team in their quest to defeat the champions of professional football. Devaney was invited to bring his coaching staff (including Tom Osborne) who had helped him achieve great success at Nebraska. Opposing the All-Stars this year were the Dallas Cowboys and head coach Tom Landry. The two teams met on July 28 before a crowd of 54,162 fans. The fans felt the All-Stars stood a good chance of defeating Dallas as Devaney had prepared his team well, giving them more experience with professional competition than any of the previous 38 teams. They had played scrimmage games with the St. Louis Cardinals and the Chicago Bears and had fared very well. Helping to make up the team that year were 1971 Heisman Trophy winner Pat Sullivan (MVP) of Auburn, Jerry Tagge of Nebraska, Franco Harris of Penn State, Riley Odums of Houston, Mike Siani of Villanova, Reggie McKenzie of Michigan, Jeff Kinney of Nebraska, Walt Patulski of Notre Dame, Sherman White of California, Tommy Casanova of Louisiana State and Thom Darden of Michigan.

Late in the first quarter, Mike Clark kicked a 31-yard field goal to give Dallas the lead 3-0. Midway through the second quarter Dallas increased its lead to 10-0 on an 18-yard touchdown pass from Craig Morton to Bob Sellers. Roger Staubach had brought the Cowboys 48 yards in nine plays but suffered an injury and Morton was brought in to replace him, a scene which was reminiscent of the 1965 All-Star Game in which both men played as collegians. Mike Clark kicked the extra point.

Midway through the third quarter, Bob Lilly recovered an All-Star fumble which set up a 24-yard TD pass from Morton to Bob Hayes. And, on the first play of the fourth quarter, Toni Fritsch kicked a 33-yard field goal to give Dallas a 20-0 lead. At that point in the fourth period, Devaney brought in Pat Sullivan to replace Jerry Tagge as quarterback. Sullivan was able to lead his team on an 80-yard drive that culminated in a 1-yard plunge by Bob Newsome of Houston for a touchdown. Chester Marcol of Hillsdale College in Michigan kicked the extra point. Sullivan led the All-Stars on another long drive to the Dallas 13-yard line but to no avail as time ran out.


Despite the loss by the All-Stars, the statistics were nearly even in all aspects of the game except for fumbles. Dallas committed none while the All-Stars fumbled three times with the Cowboys recovering two of them.

Check it out at: http://www.mmbolding.com/BSR/Chicago_Charities_College_All-Star_Game.htm