The elephant in the room

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I think the "elephant in the room" is in philly now. I have read comments about how he looked sad and hurt. My question is how does our team feel about him leaving for more money? Sure, they will say (like most of you), "It's a business and he has to look out for himself." But what about the big picture? Let's say that Murray had stayed and we win the SB this year and he's a big part of that. Visiblity...endorsement deals. He might have been better off financially with us by doing that. If anything, I think this will further unite our team, they will embrace McFadden. We did well last year more because of team work than anything else. I saw guys who were more fired up all year last year than I can remember. Even our no name defense was hustling the entire game.

No one person is greater than everyone else. (unless we have to put Weedon in) lol.
 

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There's certainly something to be said for execution. But, if Seattle gave that ball to their bellcow, are we having this conversation?

yes. 1 play does not diminish the fact a committee got thenthem there. Are you saying a rb by committee almost cost NE the game?
 

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I'm in the bell cow camp myself, but I believe less in the whole "rhythm" thing than a lot of people do. I think a running game is better with one guy carrying the ball because 1) the line knows how he runs and how to block for him, and 2) if one guy is carrying the ball all the time, he's probably pretty good.

Well, what you described is rhythm. The linemen know where he is going, the back knows how they are going to steer their man.

You can tell when a running game is clicking on all cylinders and is on a roll taking over a game.
 

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I think he's likely on the way out. Has to be, where will he fit? We have McFadden, if we draft Gordon, Gurley, or Coleman that's another roster spot and we know that Ryan Williams is getting a spot. That leaves out both Randle and Dunbar. Would we keep four RBs? If we do I have to think Dunbar would be the fourth.
 

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New england has no feature back, seatyle does. I think eexecution n design of plan with what you have is more important than having a traditional backfield.

True. I do see the point of having a stud back that carries the load. Hard to argue against it. Plus, it's REALLY enjoyable as a fan to watch one guy dominate. However...we simply ran DM into the ground last year. It was kinda sad to see how heavy and dead his legs were down the stretch. Interesting to see how he does in Philly.
 

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I think he's likely on the way out. Has to be, where will he fit? We have McFadden, if we draft Gordon, Gurley, or Coleman that's another roster spot and we know that Ryan Williams is getting a spot. That leaves out both Randle and Dunbar. Would we keep four RBs? If we do I have to think Dunbar would be the fourth.

I agree that he SHOULD be on his way out but if they're going to do that, why hasn't he been shown the door yet? I think they saw just enough last season that they're hesitant.
 

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I think teams tend to govern whether theirs is a bellcow or RB by committee type of system depends upon the type of talent they have in house. It's a rare speciman nowadays that is able to withstand the rigors of being a bellcow type of back. Today's game has gotten so physical with the size and speed of defenders, that finding someone capable of handling that demanding of a role has become more scarce than ever. It takes a highly durable RB to handle that extent of longterm stress. Here's hoping we'll find one in the not-too-distant future. In the meantime, it appears we may be relegated to a rb-by-committee approach until that extremely durable one shows up.
 
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I agree.

I'm just not sure we're going to have that bellcow type RB on the roster this year.

I like how Randle progressed from his rookie year to last year, but I don't think he's that 300+ carry guy. Dunbar is clearly a change of pace guy. And who knows what Darren is going to bring to the table.

And I can't imagine we'll draft a guy that can carry the load his rookie year.

We might be forced into a RB by committee situation in 2015.

I'll be very curios to see what Garrett, Linehan and co come up with.

To me McFadden will minimally make Dunbar odd man out, unless Dinbar becomes our return man
 

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New england would have still been right there for the super bowl...just like they were against the giants. Of course...then theres the giants 2 times. And the packers. And the saints. And the colts. Oh and the ground and pound steelers ran the rbbc in their super bowl.

But Seattle would have won it rather than New England being an example of success.

Where has our success come from? Committee or one guy being the man?
 

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yes. 1 play does not diminish the fact a committee got thenthem there. Are you saying a rb by committee almost cost NE the game?

Not at all. It works for them. But if Seattle does what got them there, they win and New Enhland loses.

But when has the Cowboys' success come? Dorsett, Smith, Murray, or Jones/Barber/Jones?
 

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There's certainly something to be said for execution. But, if Seattle gave that ball to their bellcow, are we having this conversation?

Why wouldn't we be? New England has had many years of success without a stud "bellcow RB". Even if Seattle won the SB this year that wouldn't change the fact that NE was successful with a committee approach. New Orleans and many others have had really good offenses too with multiple RBs. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have a stud RB to play the majority of the game because he's probably a really good player. However, I think there are many ways to win in this league. In fact, I'd argue that we wore Murray down last year. We could have significantly reduced his number of touches throughout the season by playing Randle and Dunbar a bit more. I still have no idea what Garrett and co. were doing playing Murray and Romo in the 2nd half of that 2nd Washington game. Murray was taking all kinds of shots and was playing with an injured hand too. Murray looked less explosive late in the season and in the playoffs to me. His #s also went down. Who knows? Maybe if he was fresher (having had fewer touches throughout the year), he would've been a little more explosive in the postseason and gotten past Peppers. Who knows? Regardless, I think a different style of RB can keep a defense on their heels. McCoy and Sproles, Bell and Bush, etc. These guys prevent a defense from getting too comfortable with any one style of RB.

In the end, the OL, and passing game make a big difference here. As long as the team doesn't have some incompetent RB lining up and the guy can play solid football, an offense can run well with a top OL and passing game. Holes will open (top OL) and defenses can't load up in the box because of guys like Romo, Dez, Witten, etc.

I like that we signed a vet RB who can pass block and was considered the most talented prospect in the greatest RB class in history. He has been injured on a bad team for years. He may never be good, or maybe he has a bounce back year - it's certainly possible in this offense. If not, it was worth a look. This is a deep RB class and we should be able to get a good RB in the 2nd or possibly the 3rd.

I liked Murray's physical style and leadership. His style of play helped to wear down defenses. I appreciate what he did for us but it was wise to not overpay for a guy with that mileage (college/pros), injury history, lack of speed, and fumbling issues. RBs are probably the easiest players to replace in football. Rookies can come in and have an impact and they don't even have to be top picks. I'm much more concerned about this defense. I though we'd have signed at least one solid DL like Sheard at this point. Hopefully we find a couple of Mincey-like values in FA and draft well or we'll likely spend another year watching QBs pick us apart.
 

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I think he's likely on the way out. Has to be, where will he fit? We have McFadden, if we draft Gordon, Gurley, or Coleman that's another roster spot and we know that Ryan Williams is getting a spot. That leaves out both Randle and Dunbar. Would we keep four RBs? If we do I have to think Dunbar would be the fourth.

I doubt Randle is on the way out. If the team was going to make a move they would have released/traded him already. And I have no idea how Williams is guaranteed a spot.

My bet is the RB situation is a joint effort initially and will sort itself out by Thanksgiving. Barring a rookie coming in and setting the world on fire, I think the leading rusher will barely finish with over 1000 yards. But the team will still eclipse 2100 rushing yards total.
 

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New england has no feature back, seatyle does. I think eexecution n design of plan with what you have is more important than having a traditional backfield.

NE also has
The best QB on the planet,

A HC who focuses on discipline and accountability, benches or cuts players for not knowing their multiple assignments,

a HC and QB who have their team in the playoffs almost every year for over a decade, have actually won multiple SB s,

have shown that they prepare for every eventuality

We have none of those

so please let's not give the example of one outlier who we have little in common with to try and prove how things work in the NFL
 

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As dominant is this OL is, I do not think they are prepared to go back to a pass happy attack.

I agree.
In 2014, with Freddy in his second year and adding Martin to the mix, they finally had the line to dominate in the run game .
That is why they ran it more and that's why they'll continue to run it at a good rate.

All 5 starters return on the line.
Losing Murray doesn't change that.

Romo was loving life last year knowing the defense had to be honest. Easy pickings
 

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Joseph Randle.

Off-field issues aside, what do we really have in Randle? He was impressive as a backup. Talented runner, versatile and able to contribute on all 3 downs. It's interesting to see how he has nearly been removed from all fans' projections next season, but ultimately what do the Cowboys have in mind? That answer will determine what happens in the draft. Obviously no one should expect 1200+ yards from Randle or probably close to that, but does this staff think he can give them a productive 120-150 carries over a full season?

Like i think You hinted to, if the cowboys draft a rb in the first 4 rounds, his days are probably numbered.
 

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Dont like the off field issues but I want to see whatrhe has. I couldn't believe how much he improved from last year to this year!!! He looked like a totally different rb. I think he needs to get a ton of snaps this year!!.
 

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I think Gurley can be that guy if he's still there, and McFadden might buy the time to ease him into the role off of ACL surgery. But if we don't do anything at DE to improve this woeful pass rush, we may be forced to draft one in Rd 1 and pass on what could be a truly special running back.

By my own admission I don't watch much college ball. I did watch a bunch of Gurley highlights- and he looked pretty sick (but then again, those were highlights). I guess his reputation precedes him regardless- he seems to be a consensus top level running back, if not elite. Realistically, how far does he fall in the draft due to the injury?
 

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By my own admission I don't watch much college ball. I did watch a bunch of Gurley highlights- and he looked pretty sick (but then again, those were highlights). I guess his reputation precedes him regardless- he seems to be a consensus top level running back, if not elite. Realistically, how far does he fall in the draft due to the injury?

That's the million dollar question...
 
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