The Evolution of Jerry Jones The Cowboys GM In The Red Garrett Era

[WPBCowboysFan]

Post of the day.

But you forgot one thing - Romo would also be critized for wearing his hat backwards.

Right, because the best QB in the division, and a TRUE SB MVP caliber QB would wear his hat in the direction he wants to go in life!

 

[Oh_Canada]

Questionable moves under Garrett should be longer.

-You forgot to mention that we relied too long with Costa under Center when we got rid of Gurode. Somehow he seems to hang onto these deadbeat olinemen for too long.
-Called plays that took too long to develop.
-Failed to utilize Dez
-Failed to run the ball even though we have a legit runningback.
-Atrocious game management skills which still lingers on until now
-His still learning how to coach
-Failed to fix the oline sooner than he should have ( its still a problem)
- Too stubborn to pass on the playcalling to someone else even though he sucked.
- Knows how to throw his coaches under the bus (see Calahan)
- Doesn't take accountability for his faults (see Rob Ryan)
- Never really deserved to be coach from the start and was one of the main problems during Wade's tenure
- 8-8 3 years in a row.
- Doesn't know how to win the big games to get into the playoffs
- Still has to be told what to do by Jerry on how to run the team ( see playcalling)
- I could go on and on but I will stop there.


Garrett has his faults and still has a ways to go before being considered a good coach. Our team needs one badly.
I reacted to you post because you pointed out that it was Parcells fault that Jerry signed TO. Yet you failed to point out major failures by Garrett. I think you give him way too much credit for success even though some of those moves were by Jerry and you blame Parcells for the bad moves by Jerry. Doesn't make sense.

Oline graded out top five a year ago, so there's that.

He is a poor game manger still and so is his QB.

His team's have yet to avoid catastrophic injuries in the front seven. Until we see that it's hard to judge him.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Oline graded out top five a year ago, so there's that.

He is a poor game manger still and so is his QB.

His team's have yet to avoid catastrophic injuries in the front seven. Until we see that it's hard to judge him.

LIke I mentioned in my post it took him too long into fixing the oline. Heck he waited several years to find a replacement for Costa.

He really is a poor game manager - at least you can admit the truth. What does this have to do with Romo?

His team? Well your probably talking about the defense I may add. The defense which Rob Ryan coached and was asked to leave because it fell apart. Rob Ryan took the fall for the defense, not Garrett. I may also add that he's not even in charge of the defense so what does that have to judging him? Seems like people like to blame him because his still learning. But when do we draw the line and say that enough is enough and bring in a real coach for a change?

 

[ConstantReboot]

The exact same results? Probably not -- going to the conference championship game every year is pretty hard to duplicate. But the point is that changing systems like the Niners did on offense and defense doesn't take years anymore. (And I think it's revisionist to say that the Niners were -so- talented... No one was saying that in Singletary's last year.)

If there is proof that a (right) good coach can turn a team around almost overnight all they have to look at is the Niners as a model.

 

[casmith07]

Huh? We also could go 8-8 miss the playoffs 3 years in a row and some will want a ticker tape parade, see how that works? The standards aren't impossible, make the playoffs make some noise showing promise of going farther the next year.

If the Cowboys continue like they have the last few years, the job of propping up this organization is only going to get harder because more people see what's "really" going on. You should have heard me in the 90s, boy you couldn't say nothing about JJ or you were going to get an ear full from me but as time went on Toto pull back the curtain to show the "Wiz" for what he really is.

I haven't seen anyone who wants a ticker-tape parade for finishing 8-8. If you find that, let me know. But I can probably wait in one hand and **** in the other, and one hand will be empty and the other will be smelly and dirty.

 

[casmith07]

Post of the day.

But you forgot one thing - Romo would also be critized for wearing his hat backwards.

I almost said that one, but it would be too easy.

 

[birdwells1]

I haven't seen anyone who wants a ticker-tape parade for finishing 8-8. If you find that, let me know. But I can probably wait in one hand and **** in the other, and one hand will be empty and the other will be smelly and dirty.

You also never heard of a team going undefeated and their fans complain but that didn't stop you from exaggerating your point either.
Try asking any "realist" how they felt about the team in 1993, you'd be surprised that they sounded a lot like you do today. Only difference is we had a reason.

 

[xwalker]

Questionable moves under Garrett should be longer.

-You forgot to mention that we relied too long with Costa under Center when we got rid of Gurode. Somehow he seems to hang onto these deadbeat olinemen for too long.
-Called plays that took too long to develop.
-Failed to utilize Dez
-Failed to run the ball even though we have a legit runningback.
-Atrocious game management skills which still lingers on until now
-His still learning how to coach
-Failed to fix the oline sooner than he should have ( its still a problem)
- Too stubborn to pass on the playcalling to someone else even though he sucked.
- Knows how to throw his coaches under the bus (see Calahan)
- Doesn't take accountability for his faults (see Rob Ryan)
- Never really deserved to be coach from the start and was one of the main problems during Wade's tenure
- 8-8 3 years in a row.
- Doesn't know how to win the big games to get into the playoffs
- Still has to be told what to do by Jerry on how to run the team ( see playcalling)
- I could go on and on but I will stop there.


Garrett has his faults and still has a ways to go before being considered a good coach. Our team needs one badly.
I reacted to you post because you pointed out that it was Parcells fault that Jerry signed TO. Yet you failed to point out major failures by Garrett. I think you give him way too much credit for success even though some of those moves were by Jerry and you blame Parcells for the bad moves by Jerry. Doesn't make sense.

My post was about the Jerry/Garrett relationship and how Jerry has done things while Garrett has been the Head Coach.

2nd new contract for Ratliff
Trade up for Claiborne
Signing Carr to a big contract
Romo's contract

As you can see, the questionable moves that I listed are Jerry moves that happened while Garrett was the Head Coach.

My entire point was focused on Jerry and how the Head Coach influences him.

While Parcells was HC, Jerry had to get attention by signing TO and couldn't wait until Parcells was gone to make a big splash by trading for Roy Williams and giving him a new contract.

It was the opposite under Wade. Wade barely got involved in issues like the draft. The only time Wade was ever reported to have input was when he wanted to draft Jason Williams because he could run really fast.

With Garrett as the Head Coach, Jerry has slowly started doing things more like a real GM. There have not been any trades to give away 1st round picks for mediocre players. They've quit holding on the players forever. The draft process seems to have some direction. The salary cap is set to be in better shape in 2015 than it's been in many years.

Would I like to get a coach like Harbaugh? Yes; however, as soon as he started getting attention, Jerry would start making Jerry moves to get the attention back on Jerry and the next 10 years of 1st round picks would be traded away for a Ham Sandwich.

 

[daveferr33]

My entire point was focused on Jerry and how the Head Coach influences him.

I believe there is a lot of truth to what you are saying. The number one consideration for the coach of the Cowboys isn't will he be a great coach who can get this team to a Super Bowl, but can he work with Jerry and limit Jerry from being Jerry.

Its a difficult task. Jerry has to be comfortable, and like a child, feel like he is in charge, when he really can't be because he is not good at his job.

Once upon a time I thought Garrett could be that guy. But then the disastrous 2013 off season occurred, which I believe was one of the worst in recent history.

I said it at the time, Garrett needed to beat the Commanders to validate the process. When he failed to do so, Jerry gave up on doing it his way, started consulting the likes of Lacewell again, and proceeded to install the worst defense in NFL history.

 

[birdwells1]

Right, because the best QB in the division, and a TRUE SB MVP caliber QB would wear his hat in the direction he wants to go in life!

You really need to lay on a couch a talk to a professional.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Considering Jerry will hire the next coach, I do not hold out too much hope he will get it right however it is painfully obvious he got it wrong with Garrett who can't even manage a clock. I guess I just hold out some hope he will hire the right guy who is passive enough when dealing with Jerry to make Jerry happy and stern enough with the players to get the most out of them and maybe just maybe would have a little bit of a frickin clue as to how to manage a game clock better than a peewee coach(unlike Garrett).

ok, I think the clock management thing is not fully overblown. did he mismanage the clock? yes. have any of these other top coaches mismanaged the clock? yes. the problem is those coaches have a longer leash. and if we win a few more games. then it wouldn't matter. its not about clock mismanagement.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Didn't one of those 6 win a SB after Jimmy left? (see Barry Switzer)

Also, didn't 4 of those 6 since Jimmy make the playoffs with Dave Campo and Jason Garrett being the two exceptions?

come on switzer!!! really.....you want to go there? switzer literally rode the coat tails of jimmy Johnson. they won despite him. he also managed to screw the team up really good.

 

[Aurican]

My post was about the Jerry/Garrett relationship and how Jerry has done things while Garrett has been the Head Coach.


As you can see, the questionable moves that I listed are Jerry moves that happened while Garrett was the Head Coach.

My entire point was focused on Jerry and how the Head Coach influences him.

While Parcells was HC, Jerry had to get attention by signing TO and couldn't wait until Parcells was gone to make a big splash by trading for Roy Williams and giving him a new contract.

It was the opposite under Wade. Wade barely got involved in issues like the draft. The only time Wade was ever reported to have input was when he wanted to draft Jason Williams because he could run really fast.

With Garrett as the Head Coach, Jerry has slowly started doing things more like a real GM. There have not been any trades to give away 1st round picks for mediocre players. They've quit holding on the players forever. The draft process seems to have some direction. The salary cap is set to be in better shape in 2015 than it's been in many years.

Would I like to get a coach like Harbaugh? Yes; however, as soon as he started getting attention, Jerry would start making Jerry moves to get the attention back on Jerry and the next 10 years of 1st round picks would be traded away for a Ham Sandwich.

I think you're making a lot of assumptions and Jerry is always a dumb trade away from destroying your premise that he has changed. Also if the team starts having any sort of success Jerry will want the attention back on himself and will likely make the same dumb moves he has in the past.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So he got play calling duties taken away (failed), he may get fires at the end of next season (failed), so lets promote him to GM. What kind of sense does that make for any team?

who said to promote him? you misread the post. he is not a good coach. but he maybe better as a GM than a coach. didn't mean to say he is going to make a good GM. geez folks. I don't like garrett neither but enough with the hate. its not him. its Jerry. Jerry hire him. jerry promoted him. jerry gave him the job. jerry is sticking by him. what is garrett suppose to do? oh yeah, the noblemen here will say, just quit and say I suck and step away!!! how many coaches have done that? seriously folks.

 

[xwalker]

Such as? Their record doesn't really show it.
The salary cap situation will be the best that it's been in about 10 years in 2015. Almost all of the over 30 players are gone. They were in a big hole when Garrett became the HC with too many old players and too many players that did perform up to their huge contracts.

In the past Jerry would not have released Ware. That move alone was big progress in Jerry's world.

Sensabaugh was given his big contract while Garrett was coach. He can't get credit for signing a guy to a big contract (not to mention a guy that no one had enough interest in to sign to more than a one year deal previously) and then cutting him two years later.

Bradie James left as a free agent.

Brooking wasn't a big contract by any stretch.

I said they were getting younger and shedding big contracts. Some of the examples were of older players that they didn't retain but that Jerry probably would have retained in the past. Not all of the examples were about the contracts.

I think that Sensabaugh got the contract in the off-season prior to 2010 which was the season where Garrett took over at mid-season. Sensabaugh last played in 2012. If he was cut 2 years after the contract, then that would be 2010.

But Garrett doesn't really seem to have the team going anywhere. The team probably isn't good enough to compete for a Super Bowl, but it was good enough to get in the playoffs the last couple of years. Coaching held them back.

Drafting? I don't get this mentality that Garrett turned the drafting process around. It looks about the same as it was whenever it wasn't being guided by someone not named Jimmy or Bill.

My post was about how Jerry's moves since Garrett has been here. Not about Garrett's coaching.

This is very crude, but let's compare to Parcells and Phillips first three years of drafting to Garrett's with respect to Pro Bowls/All Pros.

You can't really compare the number of Pro Bowls when the players drafted 10 years ago have had many seasons to make Pro Bowls but guys like Frederick have only played 1 year.

Most people agree that the Cowboys draft process seems to have improved in the last few years. When looking back a past draft failures like the 2009 draft and earlier, many of those players failed due to a poor mental makeup. Brewster didn't like football and was lazy. Jason Williams and AOA couldn't learn the defense. Bobbie Carpenter and Jacob Rodgers did like the physicality of football in the NFL, etc.. Garrett has made mental makeup a top priority in the draft.

Summary: There are obviously better coaches than Garrett, but if Garrett is fired the Cowboys are more likely to hire a Wade Phillips type than a Jim Harbaugh.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

You really need to lay on a couch a talk to a professional.

Nah, I got this place. Its great therapy. Laughter is like medicine and its unlimited here.

 

[xwalker]

I think you're making a lot of assumptions and Jerry is always a dumb trade away from destroying your premise that he has changed. Also if the team starts having any sort of success Jerry will want the attention back on himself and will likely make the same dumb moves he has in the past.

I can only go by the evidence available. Jerry has made a minimum amount of dump moves since Garrett has been the Head Coach as compared to what Jerry did before.

If the team starts having success, then Jerry will automatically get more attention. Unlike Parcells or Jimmy, Jerry will want the world to praise Garrett because Garrett is his project.

 

[xwalker]

I believe there is a lot of truth to what you are saying. The number one consideration for the coach of the Cowboys isn't will he be a great coach who can get this team to a Super Bowl, but can he work with Jerry and limit Jerry from being Jerry.

Its a difficult task. Jerry has to be comfortable, and like a child, feel like he is in charge, when he really can't be because he is not good at his job.

Once upon a time I thought Garrett could be that guy. But then the disastrous 2013 off season occurred, which I believe was one of the worst in recent history.

I said it at the time, Garrett needed to beat the Commanders to validate the process. When he failed to do so, Jerry gave up on doing it his way, started consulting the likes of Lacewell again, and proceeded to install the worst defense in NFL history.

The firing of RR was about more than just the performance of his defense. They guy was a complete arse and according to all reports, everybody in the building just wanted him gone. He didn't even show up for most meetings with the defense. He let his assistant run the meetings.

The hiring of Kiffin was a bit of an odd move. On the other hand, if they had hired Marinelli from the beginning it would have been a good move. Marinelli's defense the previous season was in the top 5 and IIRC was #1 in turnovers.

It is/was disturbing to hear that Lacewell was involved in anything. The best thing that Parcells did for the Cowboys was to fired Lacewell.

 

[junk]

In the past Jerry would not have released Ware. That move alone was big progress in Jerry's world.

I said they were getting younger and shedding big contracts. Some of the examples were of older players that they didn't retain but that Jerry probably would have retained in the past. Not all of the examples were about the contracts.

I think that Sensabaugh got the contract in the off-season prior to 2010 which was the season where Garrett took over at mid-season. Sensabaugh last played in 2012. If he was cut 2 years after the contract, then that would be 2010.

My post was about how Jerry's moves since Garrett has been here. Not about Garrett's coaching.


You can't really compare the number of Pro Bowls when the players drafted 10 years ago have had many seasons to make Pro Bowls but guys like Frederick have only played 1 year.

Most people agree that the Cowboys draft process seems to have improved in the last few years. When looking back a past draft failures like the 2009 draft and earlier, many of those players failed due to a poor mental makeup. Brewster didn't like football and was lazy. Jason Williams and AOA couldn't learn the defense. Bobbie Carpenter and Jacob Rodgers did like the physicality of football in the NFL, etc.. Garrett has made mental makeup a top priority in the draft.

Summary: There are obviously better coaches than Garrett, but if Garrett is fired the Cowboys are more likely to hire a Wade Phillips type than a Jim Harbaugh.

Sensabaugh got his 5 year deal in December 2011. The end of Garrett's first full season as HC.

Who are "most people" that agree drafting is better? I guess I don't see that as such as slam dunk. Seems inconsistent as always

Agreed the Pro Bowl thing is crude, but it is a measure

So I guess your stance is basically that Garrett isn't great but he's better than a Phillips type which is only our only other option? Isn't it bad that we have to get by with a below average coach just to appease an unqualified GM?

 

[Oh_Canada]

LIke I mentioned in my post it took him too long into fixing the oline. Heck he waited several years to find a replacement for Costa.

He really is a poor game manager - at least you can admit the truth. What does this have to do with Romo?

His team? Well your probably talking about the defense I may add. The defense which Rob Ryan coached and was asked to leave because it fell apart. Rob Ryan took the fall for the defense, not Garrett. I may also add that he's not even in charge of the defense so what does that have to judging him? Seems like people like to blame him because his still learning. But when do we draw the line and say that enough is enough and bring in a real coach for a change?

Does Bellichek coach his offense?

Now take Brady, Gronk and two of his olineman out for kicks.

Does Harbaugh run his defense?

Remove both Smith's and his inside backers, are the Niners a playoff team?

There isn't a head coach alive who is responsible for more than a single unit (if any) , Garrett's team has suffered massive injuries to his front seven in consecutive years....there is no denying that. All I am saying is that the team would have made the playoffs last year had they had a healthy Ware and Lee nevermind the rest of the group.

You keep going back to Costa like he was the only problem on the team. Obviously the staff thought he had potential and he was young enough that the potential could translate. Very few young centers have the impact Frederick did a year ago, most especially smallish ones (see Jeff Saturday, Chris Myers etc.) take time to develop. The Colts thought enough of Costa to give him a pretty decent contract and a chance to center for a team with a very important asset playing QB.