The Evolution of Jerry Jones The Cowboys GM In The Red Garrett Era

[xwalker]

Parcells was far from perfect and I can admit to that. But what he did was shake the establishment. He placed that sinking ship upright and actually brought the results that we all wanted within a short period of time. Therefore, in my opinion, he has accomplished what he intended to do.

I'm still upset that we didn't take Steven Jackson and drafting Carpenter was a joke. But his accomplishments cannot be ignored. Without Parcells this ship known as the Dallas Cowboys would have sunk and I doubt we would see the legacy which Parcells brought to this team.

As for Garrett, he has made those same mistakes as well to what Parcells has made. Yet I find it funny that you don't mention them which kind of lead me to believe that you might be a be a bit biased towards the head coach in training. But thats okay and thats your choice.

However, you can't deny that what Parcells brought to this is much more than what Garrett has done so far. Garrett is perhaps the luckiest head coach in training right now. He inherited a good QB, a future hall of famer TE, a hall of famer passrusher, and so on. Basically Garrett inherited a good team and turned them into mediocrity. While Parcells inherited a terrible team, planted the seed for growth, and brought results within a 3 year span while he was here. What has Garrett brought to the table with the span of 3 years? I'm certainly not impressed.

There is no doubt that Parcells was good for the Cowboys when he was hired. He did some excellent things like firing Larry Lacewell.

I don't believe that I have any bias towards Garrett. If you know my posting history, it's generally about trying to find the truth and sort out facts from fiction. I'm not particularly a big fan of Garrett per se. I don't like his game management and I don't really like him as an offensive coordinator. It's just that I have concluded that he is probably the best HC for right now when you consider the Jerry part of the equation. If Garrett were fired, Jerry could make a big mess in the interim while a new HC is coming up to speed on all of the Cowboys issues. This is especially true if the new guy has not worked for the Cowboys in the past.

There were many things that were actually better about the situation that Parcells inherited than the situation that Garrett inherited. It was much easier to maneuver when the salary cap was not a big mess. It's taken years just to strip the roster down to a manageable situation since Garrett took over. They had to cut BIgg, Gurode, Barber, Roy Williams, Newman, and more recently Ware and Austin etc.. and it took time to absorb the cap hits from all of those cuts. Garrett did have better players and a QB, but there was much less that could be done with the roster due to the past dead money and the current mega-contracts. Parcells also had the benefit of being able to cut any players with locker room influence like Emmitt and LA. Garrett had to come in as a 1st time ever Head Coach and try to deal with a locker room full of players with mega-contracts and they had not had any discipline from the previous HC (Wade).

Also, I don't really give Garrett all of the credit for the good things that have happened. A lot of it was just enabled by him, not necessarily accomplished by him. He (unlike Wade) is another voice to help Stephen Jones convince Jerry that they can't operate like an Oil Well Wildcatter in regards to the salary cap. Jerry talked about this issue this off-season. He said that he has finally accepted that his way of doing things is not working withing the confines of the salary cap and the CBA. He referred to being a risk taker and that the modern NFL needs a manager. I also believe that Garrett gets heavily involved in the scouting process and relies on the scouting dept. to do their jobs. Wade was clueless in this area with his one reported push in the draft being to take LB Jason Williams because "he is really fast". Parcells was at the opposite end from Wade and would draft guys like Carpenter on a whim regardless of the input of the scouting dept. Obviously it's not all good in this area with the Floyd fiasco. There is really no excuse for the scouting dept. to not be in sync with the coaching staff.

People want to compare Garrett to guys like Harbaugh, but the reality is that with Jerry in the equation, the choice is Garrett or somebody like Wade Phillips. Like I said before, I'm not really a huge Garrett fan per se, but I consider him to be 1000x better than Wade Phillips and I believe they have a chance to really build up a quality roster with Garrett here. If they get the roster issues resolved and they still can't win, then I'll jump on board with getting rid of Garrett at that point.

 

[Beast_from_East]

1-7 speaks volumes.

So does 2 division titles and a playoff win....................of course after almost 4 years of Garrett, division titles and playoff victories are becoming a distant memory of times long ago.

 

[Beast_from_East]

The difference is...........Jason is building something. You must not see it.

The Egyptians built pyramids faster than this.................................LOL

 

[jobberone]

So does 2 division titles and a playoff win....................of course after almost 4 years of Garrett, division titles and playoff victories are becoming a distant memory of times long ago.

Do you really expect him to take a 1-7 team that is cap strapped with an overall talent deficit and turn it into a winner in that short of a time frame? We haven't seen anything resembling our first string defense on the field for significant snaps for two years so no one knows what the defense has or doesn't. Now we've lost Ratliff, Hatcher and Ware which is NOT the HC's fault and we're going into the year with who knows what for a DL.

Saying this is a freaking mess is putting it mildly.

Don't give me the SF analog because it doesn't fit. That team was stockpiled and on the way up. This team has been on a downward trend since the 1-7 debacle. The only reason we've managed to win 8 games and be in contention is the state of the East and one Tony Romo. Before Garrett we had good defenses and poor offenses. We've been average plus to very good under Garrett on offense although he has his problems as a HC and OC.

I have no idea if Garrett is the answer here or not. Perhaps escaping from cap hell will allow us to see just how good the team can get. That's if Jerry stays the course long enough or the wheels don't totally come off.

The above is a small mixture of pros and cons and not the sunshine pumping I'm pretty sick of hearing about. If you're looking for a scapegoat point your finger at Jerry for most of the blame. And yes I'm still on the fence about Garrett. But if you have a problem you don't just throw parts at it like a cheap mechanic. You figure out what the problem is before you try and fix it. Everyone knows (mostly) the offense ain't too bad and who the hell knows what we do or don't have on defense. My guess is don't expect too much this year on that side of the ball or you're really going to be disappointed. Maybe with a good draft and some breaks we'll be better than most of the football world expects.

You can have the last word.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Do you really expect him to take a 1-7 team that is cap strapped with an overall talent deficit and turn it into a winner in that short of a time frame? We haven't seen anything resembling our first string defense on the field for significant snaps for two years so no one knows what the defense has or doesn't. Now we've lost Ratliff, Hatcher and Ware which is NOT the HC's fault and we're going into the year with who knows what for a DL.

Saying this is a freaking mess is putting it mildly.

Don't give me the SF analog because it doesn't fit. That team was stockpiled and on the way up. This team has been on a downward trend since the 1-7 debacle. The only reason we've managed to win 8 games and be in contention is the state of the East and one Tony Romo. Before Garrett we had good defenses and poor offenses. We've been average plus to very good under Garrett on offense although he has his problems as a HC and OC.

I have no idea if Garrett is the answer here or not. Perhaps escaping from cap hell will allow us to see just how good the team can get. That's if Jerry stays the course long enough or the wheels don't totally come off.

The above is a small mixture of pros and cons and not the sunshine pumping I'm pretty sick of hearing about. If you're looking for a scapegoat point your finger at Jerry for most of the blame. And yes I'm still on the fence about Garrett. But if you have a problem you don't just throw parts at it like a cheap mechanic. You figure out what the problem is before you try and fix it. Everyone knows (mostly) the offense ain't too bad and who the hell knows what we do or don't have on defense. My guess is don't expect too much this year on that side of the ball or you're really going to be disappointed. Maybe with a good draft and some breaks we'll be better than most of the football world expects.

You can have the last word.

The problem I have with this scenario my friend is that Garrett did not walk in off the street and take over a 1-7 team. He was the copilot and it was his offense that helped the team get that 1-7 record. You want proof?

The Washington game that season, we lost by 4 points if I remember correctly and Choice had a fumble returned for a TD as the half expired and a holding call on Alex Barron nullified a game winning TD. Are you seriously putting that loss on Wade?

So yes, Garrett did take over a 1-7 team that he helped create. Following that up with thee straight 500 seasons with questionable coaching decisions resulting in losses each season, and you can see why the majority of fans think he has not earned an extension.

 

[jobberone]

The problem I have with this scenario my friend is that Garrett did not walk in off the street and take over a 1-7 team. He was the copilot and it was his offense that helped the team get that 1-7 record. You want proof?

The Washington game that season, we lost by 4 points if I remember correctly and Choice had a fumble returned for a TD as the half expired and a holding call on Alex Barron nullified a game winning TD. Are you seriously putting that loss on Wade?

So yes, Garrett did take over a 1-7 team that he helped create. Following that up with thee straight 500 seasons with questionable coaching decisions resulting in losses each season, and you can see why the majority of fans think he has not earned an extension.

So now you hold the OC to fault for the sins of the HC and GM. There appears to be little chance for me to engage you in an honest conversation. TBH you don't appear to be interested in debate. Have a good evening.

 

[Wolfpack]

Thus I believe is so stubborn he would rather do it his way and risk losing the game; in which most cases we lose. Rather than doing it the proper and right way and win.

He learned that from his trainer, Coach Jones.

Good post btw.

 

[Beast_from_East]

So now you hold the OC to fault for the sins of the HC and GM. There appears to be little chance for me to engage you in an honest conversation. TBH you don't appear to be interested in debate. Have a good evening.

Choice fumbling the ball and having it returned for a TD (and losing the game by 4 points) was Wade's fault...................gotcha.

Yea, no way to have a debate with thinking like this........................good night.

 

[jobberone]

Choice fumbling the ball and having it returned for a TD (and losing the game by 4 points) was Wade's fault...................gotcha.

Yea, no way to have a debate with thinking like this........................good night.

Wow! Cherry pick a bad play(s) and ignore the fact we have persistently had a top ten (roughly) offense. I have never ever seen a coach or player make a bad play or bad play call. Gotcha.

 

[dallasdave]

Wow! Cherry pick a bad play(s) and ignore the fact we have persistently had a top ten (roughly) offense. I have never ever seen a coach or player make a bad play or bad play call. Gotcha.

Hey Jobber, was it Triple H, Steph, or Vince that reached out to Jerry to join Evolution ?

 

[junk]

I'm convinced that Garrett and Stephen were against things like the new contract for Ratliff, franchising Spencer and those types of issues, but Jerry was still in the just 1 contract/player away mode.

As your sig says "You don't know what you don't know"

Interesting speculation, but you certainly have no way of knowing this.

The Cowboys could free up 20M right now with more restructures. They definitely make a conscience decision to cut Ware and not over pay the aging Hatcher. They could have kept Ware and still been able to re-sign Tyron and Dez.

So, what you're saying is that you believe Dallas can do whatever they want with the cap? Odd stance considering statements you make later in this thread.

In regards to the draft, most years they have just been trying to keep up with the older players that they're losing. Now the roster is really young and they're doubtful to lose anybody to age/contract this year. Witten is the oldest position player and they've already drafted his backup much to the chagrin of many fans. The salary cap will also be in better shape than it's been since Garrett has been the Head Coach.

Well, that is a poor drafting and team building strategy, but that does line up with the results we've seen. The team has always been very reactionary.

 

[junk]

There is no doubt that Parcells was good for the Cowboys when he was hired. He did some excellent things like firing Larry Lacewell.

I don't believe that I have any bias towards Garrett. If you know my posting history, it's generally about trying to find the truth and sort out facts from fiction. I'm not particularly a big fan of Garrett per se. I don't like his game management and I don't really like him as an offensive coordinator. It's just that I have concluded that he is probably the best HC for right now when you consider the Jerry part of the equation. If Garrett were fired, Jerry could make a big mess in the interim while a new HC is coming up to speed on all of the Cowboys issues. This is especially true if the new guy has not worked for the Cowboys in the past.

Again, why aren't you harping on the real issue then? We have to get by with a sub-par head coach because he "works well" with an unqualified GM?

I guess admitting it is better than some do around here. The front office is no different than Schramm and Brandt!!!!

There were many things that were actually better about the situation that Parcells inherited than the situation that Garrett inherited. It was much easier to maneuver when the salary cap was not a big mess. It's taken years just to strip the roster down to a manageable situation since Garrett took over. They had to cut BIgg, Gurode, Barber, Roy Williams, Newman, and more recently Ware and Austin etc.. and it took time to absorb the cap hits from all of those cuts. Garrett did have better players and a QB, but there was much less that could be done with the roster due to the past dead money and the current mega-contracts. Parcells also had the benefit of being able to cut any players with locker room influence like Emmitt and LA. Garrett had to come in as a 1st time ever Head Coach and try to deal with a locker room full of players with mega-contracts and they had not had any discipline from the previous HC (Wade).

Now wait a minute. Let's go back to your previous post where you implied the team could create the cap flexibility to do basically whatever they want. Which is it? Horrible cap shape that limited Garrett in his rebuild or able to restructure and do whatever they want?

As I pointed out yesterday, Garrett also had extended Sensabaugh in his time here. The second Ratliff contract. The Carr contract. The Lee extension. Multiple Scandrick extensions. Seems like he has had room to manuever.

People want to compare Garrett to guys like Harbaugh, but the reality is that with Jerry in the equation, the choice is Garrett or somebody like Wade Phillips. Like I said before, I'm not really a huge Garrett fan per se, but I consider him to be 1000x better than Wade Phillips and I believe they have a chance to really build up a quality roster with Garrett here. If they get the roster issues resolved and they still can't win, then I'll jump on board with getting rid of Garrett at that point.

Hilarious. Garrett is a symptom of the disease that is Jerry Jones. We have to live with a HC that can't figure out basic clock management because the lunatic owner/GM can't work with a qualified coach.

Progress, I guess. At least people are admitting it.

 

[jobberone]

Garrett makes some game management decisions which are appear problematic to many of us. A few. He calls some plays which appear problematic. Don't forget when an unexpected call works they call that genius. And this small sample compared to the hundreds of plays called each year means the guy is an idiot?? I reject that premise and point to the points scored by this team under his watch. It needs work and it should improve esp with better OL play and the evolvement of young receivers to run proper routes.

Most reasonable people here look at where Garrett started as interim HC and now HC and conclude he's making progress. And we're close to being out of cap hell. The next 1-3 years should tell the story on one Jason Garrett. It will depend on drafting, cap management and sound decisions there, as well as Jason keeping Jerry under wraps mostly in deeds as you're not going to keep him from talking. The rest is on Jerry et al and the defense putting up reasonable numbers.

And average defense hopefully a tad better and some improvement on offense should net a competitive team on the division level.

I'm changing my stance on the Giants. I see them as the 1b team in the East behind the Eagles and they may be number one. However, that can and often does change.

 

[xwalker]

Again, why aren't you harping on the real issue then? We have to get by with a sub-par head coach because he "works well" with an unqualified GM?

Complaining about Jerry is a waste of time. How many times does it need to be posted? If people don't like Jerry, then quit going to games, quit buying merchandise and quit paying for cable/satellite. Complaining on a message board just annoys the people that want to focus on the football issues and the things that might change.

Now wait a minute. Let's go back to your previous post where you implied the team could create the cap flexibility to do basically whatever they want. Which is it? Horrible cap shape that limited Garrett in his rebuild or able to restructure and do whatever they want?

As I pointed out yesterday, Garrett also had extended Sensabaugh in his time here. The second Ratliff contract. The Carr contract. The Lee extension. Multiple Scandrick extensions. Seems like he has had room to maneuver.

They have been able to maneuver some years. They could have signed more free agents this year if they wanted to push more money into the future.

The issue was primarily with the players already under contract. The cap prevented them from moving on from those players in a timely manner. When Parcells came in, he could cut anybody without any significant cap issues.

Hilarious. Garrett is a symptom of the disease that is Jerry Jones. We have to live with a HC that can't figure out basic clock management because the lunatic owner/GM can't work with a qualified coach.

Progress, I guess. At least people are admitting it.

I'm only really concerned about putting together a quality roster and having quality coordinators. It appears that they might have decent coordinators in place. The roster is young and they will have a much better cap situation in 2015 than they had in a long time.

If the roster comes together and the coordinators perform reasonably well, then I'll start to worry about Garrett's clock management issues and whatnot. If he can't win at that point, then it will be time to move on, but until then I think Garrett is generally good in the area of building the roster and keeping the locker room attitude in check.

 

[xwalker]

As your sig says "You don't know what you don't know"

Interesting speculation, but you certainly have no way of knowing this.

You would be surprised to know what I know.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Sure anyone that disagrees just doesn't understand and you clearly know everything due to your great intellect LOL. Jerry cuts an older player because the cap is a mess and suddenly he has turned the corner, laughable.

You do realize he didn't HAVE to cut Ware right??

 

[ConstantReboot]

There is no doubt that Parcells was good for the Cowboys when he was hired. He did some excellent things like firing Larry Lacewell.

I don't believe that I have any bias towards Garrett. If you know my posting history, it's generally about trying to find the truth and sort out facts from fiction. I'm not particularly a big fan of Garrett per se. I don't like his game management and I don't really like him as an offensive coordinator. It's just that I have concluded that he is probably the best HC for right now when you consider the Jerry part of the equation. If Garrett were fired, Jerry could make a big mess in the interim while a new HC is coming up to speed on all of the Cowboys issues. This is especially true if the new guy has not worked for the Cowboys in the past.

There were many things that were actually better about the situation that Parcells inherited than the situation that Garrett inherited. It was much easier to maneuver when the salary cap was not a big mess. It's taken years just to strip the roster down to a manageable situation since Garrett took over. They had to cut BIgg, Gurode, Barber, Roy Williams, Newman, and more recently Ware and Austin etc.. and it took time to absorb the cap hits from all of those cuts. Garrett did have better players and a QB, but there was much less that could be done with the roster due to the past dead money and the current mega-contracts. Parcells also had the benefit of being able to cut any players with locker room influence like Emmitt and LA. Garrett had to come in as a 1st time ever Head Coach and try to deal with a locker room full of players with mega-contracts and they had not had any discipline from the previous HC (Wade).

Also, I don't really give Garrett all of the credit for the good things that have happened. A lot of it was just enabled by him, not necessarily accomplished by him. He (unlike Wade) is another voice to help Stephen Jones convince Jerry that they can't operate like an Oil Well Wildcatter in regards to the salary cap. Jerry talked about this issue this off-season. He said that he has finally accepted that his way of doing things is not working withing the confines of the salary cap and the CBA. He referred to being a risk taker and that the modern NFL needs a manager. I also believe that Garrett gets heavily involved in the scouting process and relies on the scouting dept. to do their jobs. Wade was clueless in this area with his one reported push in the draft being to take LB Jason Williams because "he is really fast". Parcells was at the opposite end from Wade and would draft guys like Carpenter on a whim regardless of the input of the scouting dept. Obviously it's not all good in this area with the Floyd fiasco. There is really no excuse for the scouting dept. to not be in sync with the coaching staff.

People want to compare Garrett to guys like Harbaugh, but the reality is that with Jerry in the equation, the choice is Garrett or somebody like Wade Phillips. Like I said before, I'm not really a huge Garrett fan per se, but I consider him to be 1000x better than Wade Phillips and I believe they have a chance to really build up a quality roster with Garrett here. If they get the roster issues resolved and they still can't win, then I'll jump on board with getting rid of Garrett at that point.

Whats this obsession against Wade? Honestly, he has done better than what Garrett has done so far. I don't care for Wade either and really didn't like him. But Wade at least got us into the playoffs. Garrett hasn't even after 3 years. Time is running out for Garrett and the entire team. We deserve to see results right now. Wade is no longer with the team. Now its Garrett's team and we need him to produce results.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Garrett makes some game management decisions which are appear problematic to many of us. A few. He calls some plays which appear problematic. Don't forget when an unexpected call works they call that genius. And this small sample compared to the hundreds of plays called each year means the guy is an idiot?? I reject that premise and point to the points scored by this team under his watch. It needs work and it should improve esp with better OL play and the evolvement of young receivers to run proper routes.

Most reasonable people here look at where Garrett started as interim HC and now HC and conclude he's making progress. And we're close to being out of cap hell. The next 1-3 years should tell the story on one Jason Garrett. It will depend on drafting, cap management and sound decisions there, as well as Jason keeping Jerry under wraps mostly in deeds as you're not going to keep him from talking. The rest is on Jerry et al and the defense putting up reasonable numbers.

And average defense hopefully a tad better and some improvement on offense should net a competitive team on the division level.

I'm changing my stance on the Giants. I see them as the 1b team in the East behind the Eagles and they may be number one. However, that can and often does change.

LMAO.....................there are like 5 of you guys that still defend Garrett, where are you getting "most people here" from?

 

[JustAGuy]

You would be surprised to know what I know.

Yeah, but did you know that Old MacDonald was a bad speller?

 

[jobberone]

LMAO.....................there are like 5 of you guys that still defend Garrett, where are you getting "most people here" from?

I'm not defending Garrett and I'm only going to say that one last time. So don't ever again say that about me. I've said it over and over I'm on the fence about Garrett and I'm not a big fan of his. Put this in your memory and stop throwing out stuff that is either not true or is a misrepresentation of what people say here including me. It is pointless having any conversation with you. Don't even bother responding to this. Just FYI.