The Eye of the Storm

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I am honestly more worried about #55 to be honest. Yes he's a headcase and you never know if he's up or down, but he's an enforcer in the middle. We don't have that now, and Hitch or whomever can't do what he can. I hope somebody comes out of nowhere!

It never fails with the Cowboys...a player's lights seem to come on every year and we find someone new to rally behind. Often times that player is a lowly undrafted free agent that made the final 53 by the skin of their teeth. Other times it's a guy that the Cowoby's were on the cusp of giving up on, like Claiborne last year for instance. Either way, I do think we can count on someone arriving in 2016...the hope is that this same player is a MLB. lol
 

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Before Desert Storm, we lost a Drill Sergeant at Ft. Knox, Ky...in a group game of Russian Roullete.

And the first soldier killed in Bosnia, was another Drill Sergeant from Ft. Knox, Ky. He was attempting to unarm a mine in an area that was restricted.

Measured gambles are part of game, stupid although, is dumb to the core.

But actual battles forge soldiers of steel...
 

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Well really we cant judge the team at all till we see the pre season games, and even then we cant tell a whole lot.
The potential is there for a good season.
I think it depends on the coaches, they still have plenty of good players.

I agree. So much has been made of the suspensions and overall lack of talent on defense, that lost in the conversation is how much talent they still have as a team. I'm not saying they are going to dominate...at least, not in all 3 phases....games will be close...but if you asked me of the 32 teams I could pick one offense to close a game for me, I'd pick the Cowboys. I know that sounds crazy considering some of the quarterbacks out there that I fully acknowledge are better than Romo, but ultimately, looking at the talent from top to bottom, I don't think there is another offense on the same level, when viewing the talent from a collective perspective as opposed to summing up the talent individually.
 

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I agree. So much has been made of the suspensions and overall lack of talent on defense, that lost in the conversation is how much talent they still have as a team. I'm not saying they are going to dominate...at least, not in all 3 phases....games will be close...but if you asked me of the 32 teams I could pick one offense to close a game for me, I'd pick the Cowboys. I know that sounds crazy considering some of the quarterbacks out there that I fully acknowledge are better than Romo, but ultimately, looking at the talent from top to bottom, I don't think there is another offense on the same level, when viewing the talent from a collective perspective as opposed to summing up the talent individually.

Jday, I wouldn't be so fast to discount the talent in Tony Romo. In this Dallas offense at present, Tony will be getting more efficient as it is. I wouldn't omit a discussion in the group just behind the top three: Rogers, Newton, and Brady.
 

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35 ppg is a bit high Stash....especially if we are also hoping to control the clock at least a little bit.
 

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35 ppg is a bit high Stash....especially if we are also hoping to control the clock at least a little bit.

I like 35. To me, the first to 35 should be the winner.
 

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Not discounting the talent of Romo...I am merely acknowledging he is not the best at his particular position. Now, if you want to make the argument that despite his ideal arm strength and deep accuracy, he is the best to operate within the Cowboys offense, I might agree with you there.
 

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Not discounting the talent of Romo...I am merely acknowledging he is not the best at his particular position. Now, if you want to make the argument that despite his ideal arm strength and deep accuracy, he is the best to operate within the Cowboys offense, I might agree with you there.

In that view, he certainly deserves discussion in the second tier of top QB talent...say, along with Roethlisberger, Brees, and Luck.
 

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35 points a game has only been done 3 times and in 2 cases failed to win the SB.

I should add the best this franchise has done in terms of total points in a season was 2014, 29.2 PPG
 

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This offense should be "unstoppable", barring injury of course. If the Cowboys coaches can't score 35 points a game given this talent and level of investment, I think they need to be seriously questioned. The offense now has a 'steak on every plate'. The team going so far as to not only sign a multi-time 1,000 yard, Pro Bowl running back to add to your 1,100 yard rusher from last season, but they went out and used their best draft resource in over 20 years to add another one!

Take a look at the 11 projected starters, and depending on which formation you choose, I don't think there's a player who either isn't a proven Pro Bowler or at worst a 4th round draft pick (Free). And please don't waste anyone's time mentioning Collins, everybody knows who he is, his talent level, and how he got here. He's another first rounder.

If this offense isn't top 5 minimum, we have to question the coaches involved.

But, given injuries, draft misfires, and suspensions, this defense is looking to be among the least talented in the league. Even the ascending young players have let the team down. About the only young player you can hope for vast improvement from is Byron Jones. Unlike the others, he's shown flashes and isn't set to be suspended.

Hopefully, a rookie like Tapper proves to be more than expected, or Ryan Russell or David Irving continue to develop, but at this point, that's what we have, a lot of hope on that side of the ball.

For this team to win, this offense needs to be dominant, to the tune of 28-35 points per game. If not, this define will struggle to keep them competitive and the offensive staff deservedly needs to be held accountable.

My belief is that the team is planning a throwback style of offense similar to the team's of the '90's, where they simply come out trying to bludgeon their opponents with a virtually unstoppable running game. The investments have certainly been made.

Nice work stash.
 

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35 points a game has only been done 3 times and in 2 cases failed to win the SB.

I should add the best this franchise has done in terms of total points in a season was 2014, 29.2 PPG
Yeah, 35 is way out there.
31 would be pretty epic actually
 

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Yeah, 35 is way out there.
31 would be pretty epic actually

It definitely is, but can you recall an offense with the Pro Bowlers and drafted talent across the board that this team currently has?

Based on the investment, they should be a record-setting caliber offense.

Doug Free has far an away the worst pedigree on the entire offense and the guy is a capable starter and 4th round pick. I can't think of a comparable offense in league history myself.

I'd be interested to know if someone else can remember one?
:huh:
 

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This offense should be "unstoppable", barring injury of course. If the Cowboys coaches can't score 35 points a game given this talent and level of investment, I think they need to be seriously questioned. The offense now has a 'steak on every plate'. The team going so far as to not only sign a multi-time 1,000 yard, Pro Bowl running back to add to your 1,100 yard rusher from last season, but they went out and used their best draft resource in over 20 years to add another one!

Take a look at the 11 projected starters, and depending on which formation you choose, I don't think there's a player who either isn't a proven Pro Bowler or at worst a 4th round draft pick (Free). And please don't waste anyone's time mentioning Collins, everybody knows who he is, his talent level, and how he got here. He's another first rounder.

If this offense isn't top 5 minimum, we have to question the coaches involved.

But, given injuries, draft misfires, and suspensions, this defense is looking to be among the least talented in the league. Even the ascending young players have let the team down. About the only young player you can hope for vast improvement from is Byron Jones. Unlike the others, he's shown flashes and isn't set to be suspended.

Hopefully, a rookie like Tapper proves to be more than expected, or Ryan Russell or David Irving continue to develop, but at this point, that's what we have, a lot of hope on that side of the ball.

For this team to win, this offense needs to be dominant, to the tune of 28-35 points per game. If not, this define will struggle to keep them competitive and the offensive staff deservedly needs to be held accountable.

My belief is that the team is planning a throwback style of offense similar to the team's of the '90's, where they simply come out trying to bludgeon their opponents with a virtually unstoppable running game. The investments have certainly been made.

This assumes that Witten maintains. If he declines then we are lacking receiving talent.
 

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Romo/Dez/Zeke/Witten/Beasley/OL – therein is perhaps the strongest and savviest collection of talent in the NFL playing on the same side of the ball on the same team.
Thoughts?

I agree with your math here as stated, however when you include the multiplication of the X factor (i.e. Garrett) I think the sum of the parts ends up dropping significantly and only being top 10 vice top 1.

When you add the coach to the equation, sadly it would be true to say:
Brady/Gronk/JAG/JAG/JAG X Beli > Romo/Dez/Zeke/Beasley/OL X Garrett
and quite possibly
Rodgers/Cobb/JAG/JAG/JAG X Ronald McDonald > Romo/Dez/Zeke/Beasley/OL X Garrett

that's a lot of math for a lib arts major
partially kidding on all of course...partially
 

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I agree with your math here as stated, however when you include the multiplication of the X factor (i.e. Garrett) I think the sum of the parts ends up dropping significantly and only being top 10 vice top 1.

When you add the coach to the equation, sadly it would be true to say:
Brady/Gronk/JAG/JAG/JAG X Beli > Romo/Dez/Zeke/Beasley/OL X Garrett
and quite possibly
Rodgers/Cobb/JAG/JAG/JAG X Ronald McDonald > Romo/Dez/Zeke/Beasley/OL X Garrett

that's a lot of math for a lib arts major
partially kidding on all of course...partially

lol. I get what your saying. Garrett is not an X's and O's guru...I'm with you on that. And, truth be told, I'd say the jury is still out on Linehan, but judging by all the head shaking I see in there, I suspect he's not going to like the verdict. The good news is they at least have one more season to sway their vote, so here's hoping they make the most of it.
 

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Bottom line is that unless this defense can get consistent pressure on the opposing QB with corresponding turnovers, then this team will not get very far especially when playing against potent offenses.

I agree the allocation of resources and talent overall is on the offensive side of the ball and it must show accordingly for there to be any hope this season.

However, without a defense that can get consistent pressure and/or turnovers, the offense can only take us so far.

We shall see in short order what we actually have on defense!
 

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It definitely is, but can you recall an offense with the Pro Bowlers and drafted talent across the board that this team currently has?

Based on the investment, they should be a record-setting caliber offense.

Doug Free has far an away the worst pedigree on the entire offense and the guy is a capable starter and 4th round pick. I can't think of a comparable offense in league history myself.

I'd be interested to know if someone else can remember one?
:huh:

I'm just telling you that Romo, Dez, and Witten could all have their best seasons (highly unlikely that ALL three would do that) while Zeke goes for 1500 yards, and I would bet in a big way they would still not average 35 ppg.

Anyway, most hyper scoring teams have a way better WR group than Dallas does, or else they have much more creative offense.

Hey, it's not like I'm rooting against the points, it just seems very unlikely. Maybe if the defense is in the top 5 in turnovers? Maybe.

Also, I'm wondering how Beasley is all of a sudden some elite player based on some of these posts in this thread. comical
 

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We need to lighten the mood around here. We need to start a new MS Paint thread, off-season edition.

Where is @JBell523 ?
 

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What happens when we face an offense just as good as ours and a D that's better?
 
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