The fabricated concussion discussion

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I've been reasonably certain for a fairly lengthy span of my lifetime that playing football - particularly of the NFL variety - could have future implications on overall health. Knees don't bend in enough directions for football, shoulders aren't particularly suited, and repeatedly ramming your head into other hard surfaces seems to carry with it a possible undesired consequence.

That's knowledge I've stored neatly in the "genius file" in my brain, along with "Don't forget your anniversary" and "Don't pee on an electric fence." It's filed under D, for "duh".

So here we have this collection of former players, obviously broke and struggling with their sudden irrelevance, not to mention kicking themselves for umpteen other bad decisions along the way, ready to skewer and *******ize the league that gave them so many opportunities during and after their careers.

Nevermind the vials of horse steroids and whatnot they pumped through their bodies back then. Disregard the lifestyles many of them led, the drugs and alcohol they may have used, the intentional cheap shots they personally delivered, or the self-inflicted financial disasters they incurred. Pay no attention to all the great advice and common sense they ignored and set aside along the way.

The smell of money is in the air. A gang mentality is forming. And the me-first attitudes that took control of professional athletics in the 80s is kicking in.

Screw the game. They want theirs.

The world has gone stupid. Mayors are outlawing big coke cups because people are getting too fat. Educators are banning homework because it's unfair to single-parent kids. Teachers in the UK are prohibiting students from having "best friends" because it might hurt feelings. You can name a hundred more examples of massive overreaching and overlegislation that is now just commonplace in the world of misfits we needlessly appease.

And now, we've decided banging your head around might not be completely safe. Amazing.

Why would football players be any different than boxers? Did they not see Muhammed Ali deteriorate, and hundreds of fighters before him? Have they not heard Joe Frazier speak? Virtually every fighter of the past struggles to speak and effectively communicate later in life from too many jars to the head over too much time. This is not news.

And haven't occupational hazards been around for some time now?

Skywalkers know they might fall building skyscrapers. Rodeo clowns know the bulls aren't amused. Evil Kneivel drove his bike off the ramp without being pushed. High school graduates sign up willingly for the Marines knowing the risks. Electricians, pilots, stuntmen, all of us....we take chances in our lives, in work and play. Just sitting in a cubicle can make you fat and develop bloodclots. but that isn't the fault of your company.

Bottom line, there's a reason NFL football players are compensated the way they are, and it isn't only for their talent. They willingly do something that most aren't willing to do. It's not war, and they're not actually gladiators, but it's pretty much the next thing to it. It's a big part of why we love the game and admire them for taking the risks to play it.

Plus, these guys did this to each other. So why isn't Jim McMahon suing Ronnie Lott? Is it the NFL's fault that guys like Lott, Blount, Tatum, Lynch, etc, take such incredibly immense pleasure in crushing a man's skull with his own? Granted, the NFL marketed it, and we ate it up, but no one made anyone do anything against their will.

Yet, here we are. It has come to this. Fearing the coming onslaught of lawsuits, the NFL has just neutuered some of the best players in the game: Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Stephen Jackson, and our very own Demarco Murray. A big part of their arsenal is gone, and with it, one of my favorite parts of the game.

Forever, running backs have been able to deliver the same blows they take disproportionately, but no more. Now, they'll have to duck out of bounds or hit the floor, or just brace themselves for the blow. For lowering their head could cost their team 15 yards and the ball. This new rule is so unfathomably stupid, I'm shocked it was passed, and by 31-1 no less. Owners are scared to death.

So now, running the football just became more risky for coaches. Yes, by all means, let's throw it more, as if 50-60 times per game wasn't enough already. We don't need kickoffs anymore, so why bother with running it either? Throw it, throw it, throw it some more.

I hate where this game is headed. It's only going to get worse. My interest in waning. My season tickets are up for sale.

Thankfully, I have some real football games on VCR tapes.
 

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Good post ER.

The owners care far more about money than the sport, which is understandable. This is all about financial risk within our lawyer-controlled society rather than a concern for the well-being of players.
 

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At first glance it seems bleak, another shot in the arm for NFL Fans....but things change and it might not be as bad as you think.

Not sure how this will be enforced, the Official interpretation has yet to be deciphered on the field. Some good Coaches are supporting the rule including RB friendly Jeff Fisher and John Harbaugh.

The rule is essentially all about not leading without the crown of the head going out there first, so after further review if this is enforced correctly it could be a win-win.
 

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Good read. Players make a conscious decision to play football, they are not forced. Most play for fame and fortune. There are many other non-sports professions that pose dangers too.
 

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Agreed. I went round and round with one of my friends about this exact topic.
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dexternjack;5029397 said:
Good read. Players make a conscious decision to play football, they are not forced. Most play for fame and fortune. There are many other non-sports professions that pose dangers too.
Yes true like policemen/women, firemen/women, military men/women, convenience store clerks just to name a few and I also think these people should be paid more too.

As for the NFL players they know the dangers of playing football and as for the latest rule regarding the crown to the helmet penalty its stupid to me they might as well call it the NFFL in the future because that is where the league is heading if they keep this kind of stuff up.

As for the owners and the commissioner imho it's not all about protecting all players from catastrophic injuries, it's about protecting their marquee players from major injuries because those are the ones bringing them millions of dollars and we all know when fans of the Saints for example, paid there money to see Brees, not their backup and the owners, and the commissioner know this and that is who they're protecting so now rules are now being catered towards their marquee defensive players with this new joke of a rule regarding the RB that is just me though.
 

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SilverStarCowboy;5029391 said:
At first glance it seems bleak, another shot in the arm for NFL Fans....but things change and it might not be as bad as you think.

Not sure how this will be enforced, the Official interpretation has yet to be deciphered on the field. Some good Coaches are supporting the rule including RB friendly Jeff Fisher and John Harbaugh.

The rule is essentially all about not leading without the crown of the head going out there first, so after further review if this is enforced correctly it could be a win-win.

I'm sure Fisher and Harbaugh's bosses "advised" them to support the rule. Owners voted 31-1, so coaches really don't have a say. It's all about money, not the game.
 

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:bow: Again I got to say it nice write up.
erod;5029367 said:
I've been reasonably certain for a fairly lengthy span of my lifetime that playing football - particularly of the NFL variety - could have future implications on overall health. Knees don't bend in enough directions for football, shoulders aren't particularly suited, and repeatedly ramming your head into other hard surfaces seems to carry with it a possible undesired consequence.

That's knowledge I've stored neatly in the "genius file" in my brain, along with "Don't forget your anniversary" and "Don't pee on an electric fence." It's filed under D, for "duh".

So here we have this collection of former players, obviously broke and struggling with their sudden irrelevance, not to mention kicking themselves for umpteen other bad decisions along the way, ready to skewer and *******ize the league that gave them so many opportunities during and after their careers.

Nevermind the vials of horse steroids and whatnot they pumped through their bodies back then. Disregard the lifestyles many of them led, the drugs and alcohol they may have used, the intentional cheap shots they personally delivered, or the self-inflicted financial disasters they incurred. Pay no attention to all the great advice and common sense they ignored and set aside along the way.

The smell of money is in the air. A gang mentality is forming. And the me-first attitudes that took control of professional athletics in the 80s is kicking in.

Screw the game. They want theirs.

The world has gone stupid. Mayors are outlawing big coke cups because people are getting too fat. Educators are banning homework because it's unfair to single-parent kids. Teachers in the UK are prohibiting students from having "best friends" because it might hurt feelings. You can name a hundred more examples of massive overreaching and overlegislation that is now just commonplace in the world of misfits we needlessly appease.

And now, we've decided banging your head around might not be completely safe. Amazing.

Why would football players be any different than boxers? Did they not see Muhammed Ali deteriorate, and hundreds of fighters before him? Have they not heard Joe Frazier speak? Virtually every fighter of the past struggles to speak and effectively communicate later in life from too many jars to the head over too much time. This is not news.

And haven't occupational hazards been around for some time now?

Skywalkers know they might fall building skyscrapers. Rodeo clowns know the bulls aren't amused. Evil Kneivel drove his bike off the ramp without being pushed. High school graduates sign up willingly for the Marines knowing the risks. Electricians, pilots, stuntmen, all of us....we take chances in our lives, in work and play. Just sitting in a cubicle can make you fat and develop bloodclots. but that isn't the fault of your company.

Bottom line, there's a reason NFL football players are compensated the way they are, and it isn't only for their talent. They willingly do something that most aren't willing to do. It's not war, and they're not actually gladiators, but it's pretty much the next thing to it. It's a big part of why we love the game and admire them for taking the risks to play it.

Plus, these guys did this to each other. So why isn't Jim McMahon suing Ronnie Lott? Is it the NFL's fault that guys like Lott, Blount, Tatum, Lynch, etc, take such incredibly immense pleasure in crushing a man's skull with his own? Granted, the NFL marketed it, and we ate it up, but no one made anyone do anything against their will.

Yet, here we are. It has come to this. Fearing the coming onslaught of lawsuits, the NFL has just neutuered some of the best players in the game: Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Stephen Jackson, and our very own Demarco Murray. A big part of their arsenal is gone, and with it, one of my favorite parts of the game.

Forever, running backs have been able to deliver the same blows they take disproportionately, but no more. Now, they'll have to duck out of bounds or hit the floor, or just brace themselves for the blow. For lowering their head could cost their team 15 yards and the ball. This new rule is so unfathomably stupid, I'm shocked it was passed, and by 31-1 no less. Owners are scared to death.

So now, running the football just became more risky for coaches. Yes, by all means, let's throw it more, as if 50-60 times per game wasn't enough already. We don't need kickoffs anymore, so why bother with running it either? Throw it, throw it, throw it some more.

I hate where this game is headed. It's only going to get worse. My interest in waning. My season tickets are up for sale.

Thankfully, I have some real football games on VCR tapes.
 

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DBOY3141;5029420 said:
I'm sure Fisher and Harbaugh's bosses "advised" them to support the rule. Owners voted 31-1, so coaches really don't have a say. It's all about money, not the game.
Right agree 100%
 

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AmericasTeam81;5029380 said:
Preaching to the choir. I agree 100%

This.

Maybe NFL players should be forced to sign a liability waiver before they can be eligible for the draft.
 

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ringmaster;5029410 said:
Yes true like policemen/women, firemen/women, military men/women, convenience store clerks just to name a few and I also think these people should be paid more too.

As for the NFL players they know the dangers of playing football and as for the latest rule regarding the crown to the helmet penalty its stupid to me they might as well call it the NFFL in the future because that is where the league is heading if the keep this kind of stuff up.

As for the owners and the commissioner imho it's not all about protecting all players from catastrophic injuries, it's about protecting their marquee players from major injuries because those are the ones bringing them millions of dollars and we all know when fans of the Saints for example, paid there money to see Brees, not their backup and the owners, and the commissioner know this and that is who they're protecting so now rules are now being catered towards their marquee defensive players with this new joke of a rule regarding the RB that is just me though.

I have to disagree with the bolded.

The great thing about the NFL - compared to the NBA or baseball - is that the GAME is the star, not the players.

You could take Brees, Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Flacco, and Adrian Peterson out of the game right now, and the league wouldn't miss a beat. It does not depend on a few star players like the NBA does.

The owners are scared to death that, if they lose a lawsuit, they could lose billions.

Plus, even if they only lose by a little, colleges and high schools could start dropping football altogether because such lawsuits could be disastrous. That would effectively ruin the NFL, which is dependent on this "free" development system within the schools.

Likewise, no organization like AAU is going to take on a sport with such huge liability.

If the NFL were to lose this lawsuit, the game would die soon thereafter.
 

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Zimmy Lives;5029427 said:
This.

Maybe NFL players should be forced to sign a liability waiver before they can be eligible for the draft.

I'm surprised that isn't already done.
 

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I don't know what the NFL knew and didn't know. Boxer's syndrome has been known a long time and bans on boxing by medical professionals has echoed since the 50s. But you're wrong to assume everyone knew about CTE and its relationship to concussions in non-boxers much less subconcussions. The CSTE wasn't formed until 2008. Subconcussions weren't a worry not long ago. No one knows why some get it and others don't. There aren't any tests for it now other than clinical signs and symptoms. We've diagnosed a 17 yo with CTE. Certainly if anyone thought their child was going to die from that then not many would play. So I have some empathy for the older guys who really did NOT know the risks.

Also since the NFL knows for certain head trauma can cause problems then they are prudent to start limiting it when and where they can. The rule against leading with the crown of the helmet is a good one. It'll cut down spine and cord injuries as well.

I'm not going to comment on the lawsuit because I don't know the merits of either side well enough to do so. But I can remain sensitive to the issue.
 

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Lodeus;5029430 said:
I'm surprised that isn't already done.

Me too. You can't even go whitewater rafting anymore without signing a death or dismemberment liability waiver.
 

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erod;5029429 said:
I have to disagree with the bolded.

The great thing about the NFL - compared to the NBA or baseball - is that the GAME is the star, not the players.

You could take Brees, Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Flacco, and Adrian Peterson out of the game right now, and the league wouldn't miss a beat. It does not depend on a few star players like the NBA does.

The owners are scared to death that, if they lose a lawsuit, they could lose billions.

Plus, even if they only lose by a little, colleges and high schools could start dropping football altogether because such lawsuits could be disastrous. That would effectively ruin the NFL, which is dependent on this "free" development system within the schools.

Likewise, no organization like AAU is going to take on a sport with such huge liability.

If the NFL were to lose this lawsuit, the game would die soon thereafter.
I agree that those players come and go in the NFL, but as for the part you disagree with that is how I see it with the owners, and the commisioner when it comes to this fallacy about player safety its all about the money.

As for the star of the team yes those guys you mentioned are superstars for their respective teams but at the end of the day it's a team sport again well done for starting this thread.
 
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