The fallout from the Micah trade feels a bit like Herschel

[jazzcat22]

Nothing wrong with it, but we need to include the additional assets lost as well instead of just using the pro Cowboy math.

I like a lot of what they've done with the assets acquired from the Parsons deal, and have no issue with anyone preferring the moves they made to keeping Parsons, but comparing it to the Walker trade is a slap in the face to the Walker trade.

I don’t think anyone is directly comparing it to the Walker trade.
But as the OP said, it feels a bit like it.

I look at it as it is as close any trade will be to the Walker trade in todays NFL.

Meaning we got 5 or 6 players for 1. But it also allowed and opened things up for other trades. As well shaped what was a great draft.

 

[gtb1943]

Can’t handle anything good that happens with the Cowboys eh?

like you cannot avoid those laughing at the Front Office minions after 30 years of failure

 

[LonnieElam]

I don’t remember ever having a coach or coordinator fire in the middle of the season

2010. Wade Phillips.

 

[gtb1943]

I don’t think anyone is directly comparing it to the Walker trade.
But as the OP said, it feels a bit like it.

I look at it as it is as close any trade will be to the Walker trade in todays NFL.

Meaning we got 5 or 6 players for 1. But it also allowed and opened things up for other trades. As well shaped what was a great draft.

The walker trade was an all time sodomization of the Vikings (Which, when you consider the history of the real life vikings, seems quite appropriate)
and the Parsons trade is but a pale reflection of that.

 

[MajesticRey]

I don’t remember ever having a coach or coordinator fire in the middle of the season

Wade Phillips 2010

 

[MajesticRey]

Yeah I thought he meant assistants but I for sure remember Wade and then I think Garrett might’ve went 5-3 or something….

If I’m not mistaken those Wade defenses started getting torched by anyone and I think David Garrard doing it was the nail in the coffin.

It was the Green Bay blowout that did it. Our defense quit on national television, deliberately avoiding tackles.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Yeah, like him, you really didn't read what I wrote.

OK I'll bite. If I'm missing something obvious I apologize and would be happy to change my stance, but let me know where I'm off here...

The fallout from the Micah trade feels a bit like Herschel​

The title implies that we are looking at all things related to the Micah trade...the deal itself and the moves that followed. It also implies that it's at least somewhat aligned with the most lopsided trade in history.

Would you rather have.....?

Micah Parsons

or

Kenny Clark, Quinnen Williams, Malachi Lawrence, Rashan Gary, and Ottito Ogbonni

This implies that none of Clark/Q/Law/Gary/Ogbonni would have been available had Parsons remained a Cowboy, and the decision is one or the other which seems wrong to me, but thats beyond the point for now. While this acknowledges players the Cowboys have acquired it also refuses to acknowledge the players the Cowboys could have had....for example a 2nd round pick this year.

That's what the trade and subsequent offseason decisions essentially brought with the money Micah wanted.

This basically confirms what i have so far. The Cowboys also have a higher cap dedicated to the players listed than what Micah will command this year so the equation once again seems lopsided....although Mich is owed more in future money (currently).

And it provided the depth to make the Osa trade possible that brought Barham.

This is true....the depth created at DT absolutely made a OSA a valuable trade chip

It may be early, but this has shades of the Herschel Walker trade about it.

An absoultely wild statement and where you really lose me. Walker directly brought back 5 players and 6 high draft picks. Parsons brought back 1 player and 2 high draft picks. The Cowboys then flipped almost the same package to go get Quinnen Williams. I get that some of the post is in reference to the dominoe effect after Parsons, but many of those seem like stretches IMO.....Zero reason they couldnt have brough in someone like Ogbonni with Parsons on the roster still. GB still probably lets Gary go for the 4th round pick if the Cowboys wanted him.

If the trades never happened the Cowboys still would have had a high 2nd and a future 1st to trade up for Lawrence if they wanted to. I dont get the either/or scenario where this much is contributied to the loss of Parsons.

Best offseason roster management we've seen around here in a long, long time.

I would agree, but this is due to a very low bar that has been set by the FO. We have several quality moves to celebrate, but we are still in a spot where we are hanging our hopes on the rapid development of several draft picks.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I don’t think anyone is directly comparing it to the Walker trade.
But as the OP said, it feels a bit like it.

I look at it as it is as close any trade will be to the Walker trade in todays NFL.

Meaning we got 5 or 6 players for 1. But it also allowed and opened things up for other trades. As well shaped what was a great draft.

We can agrume semantics of what was meant in comparing it to the Walker trade, but the bold is where my biggest issue is and what really matters. I completely disagree with the 6 players for 1 argument and is Jerry jones style marketing of his roster. The trade for Quinnen Williams alone was similar draft value to what was acquired for Parsons. Its only a 5 or 6 for 1 type of swing if we ignore what we gave up for those other players on the list and if we assume that the Cowboys could not have made any moves without trading Parsons.

 

[DCBoysfan]

I’m not joining the bash Micah crowd, but I do believe this trade is
in the best inside of the team long term.

 

[rambo2]

I hope it turns out similarly too! It'll be an interesting study when we look back 4-5 years from now. Right now it's just a bunch of names on paper.

Right now it looks excellent with Parsons injured and his huge salary.

 

[DarkVader33]

I don’t remember ever having a coach or coordinator fire in the middle of the season

Wasn’t Wade Phillips fired before the end of the season?

 

[rambo2]

I wonder how Green Bay feels, especially after he got injured

They know that they are screwed.

 

[rambo2]

If you think getting rid of Parsons was franchise altering, just think what could come from letting #4 hit the bricks when his next extension comes up. He's another person not worth overpaying and who has limitations in his game.

Every fing thread.Let it die.

 

[DarkVader33]

Which would not have been as huge had Jerry signed him after Year 3. $34M was the going rate then. The same $34M we tried to trade for in Crosby. Conveniently forgotten and Micah's eventual pay exaggerated every time this trade is mentioned.

People hated Micah once it was time for him to get paid so I understand the absolute need to back the front office here, just like they would in contract negotiations. But to excuse Jerry's emotion-over-business episode that cost us value and pretending "this was the plan all along" is convenient. If we can break even it'll be lucked into once again. Same as getting Micah himself and now Downs.

So anyone that disagrees with you is just an “office backer”. Got it. Thanks for letting us know that none of us have our own mind.

 

[rambo2]

This probably not a popular opinion, but none of us know who “won” the Micah Parsons trade yet.

I will judge the trade based on whether or not we have won more than a wild card playoff game the next four years.

Why? That’s all we accomplished when Parsons was here. So in the next four years (the length of time Parsons was a Cowboy) if we win a couple more playoff games, the trade will have been a success.

IMO, people calling it a win now is just hope. Nothing wrong with that but it’s not definite yet.

Have you seen Parsons lately?

 

[JustChip]

I don’t remember ever having a coach or coordinator fire in the middle of the season

Wade Phillips

 

[tm1119]

We can agrume semantics of what was meant in comparing it to the Walker trade, but the bold is where my biggest issue is and what really matters. I completely disagree with the 6 players for 1 argument and is Jerry jones style marketing of his roster. The trade for Quinnen Williams alone was similar draft value to what was acquired for Parsons. Its only a 5 or 6 for 1 type of swing if we ignore what we gave up for those other players on the list and if we assume that the Cowboys could not have made any moves without trading Parsons.

Yeah it’s quite convenient to only count assets gained and completely ignore assets given up. If the thread was purely about being happy with the outcome I wouldn’t argue, but to paint it how the OP is trying to is insane homerism…even for this board.

And it’s laughable to include Oggbonia in this. He was a cheap 1 year depth signing that the Cowboys make every year. Even funnier seeing people that never heard of him before the Cowboys signed him pretending like he’s an important piece to the team. We’ll see if he even plays 25% of snaps this year.

 

[DarkVader33]

All irrelevant if he were taken care of after Year 3, as is custom for a blue chip talent. We didn't.

The office backer in me says I’m glad we didn’t.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Yeah it’s quite convenient to only count assets gained and completely ignore assets given up. If the thread was purely about being happy with the outcome I wouldn’t argue, but to paint it how the OP is trying to is insane homerism…even for this board.

And it’s laughable to include Oggbonia in this. He was a cheap 1 year depth signing that the Cowboys make every year. Even funnier seeing people that never heard of him before the Cowboys signed him pretending like he’s an important piece to the team. We’ll see if he even plays 25% of snaps this year.

1000% agree. We can make a great argument that the Cowboys are better off today vs this date in 2025 without going next level extreme. A bad argument even for a position I agree with is still a bad argument.

 

[DarkVader33]

But I wasn’t. You are misrepresenting the entire sequence of events.

You’re even giving Jalen Thompson as part of this.

It’s impossible to debate this around here because people are willfully being dishonest

Jalen isn’t part of the deal. But the Jalen signing can be attributed to Micah not being signed. If Micah was signed, it’s possible Jalen doesn’t get signed.