The Fine Line of Wins and Losses in NFL

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Imagine...

Sign a name free agent or two on the defensive line.

Draft defense the first four rounds.

Jaylon Smith's nerve fires.

Tapper and Collins can play.
Don't get us all excited yet Erod. We've got to win some games with Dak. Shoot , we might be drafting QB and WR first two rounds next year.

But yea, I'm with ya buddy.
 

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Consistent lack of execution eventually has to fall on coaching. If Sunday was the first game where we saw execution issues, you'd have a point. But Sunday was just a continuation of the previous season where mistakes and boneheaded plays bit us in the butt in another close loss.

I guess some fans just have to be continually beaten over the head in multiple seasons before that becomes obvious.

Sunday was the first game of Dak Prescott's career. In six months, that'll all it will be remembered for.

The coaches didn't expect the running game would be so flat. They didn't fail to "coach" Beasley or Dez hard enough so they wouldn't drop those balls.

It's the NFL. Give it 4-5 games, and let's see where it is then.
 

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Norv Turner ran a simple offense here which we challenged the opponent to stop. They knew what we were going to do but still had very little success stoping it. We had superior talent .

And why I always go back to the talent issue. A couple years ago one of the beat writers , can't remember who, wrote a story on how Garretts fault in his scheme is he doesn't have the talent suited for the plays he calls or wants to call.

For example Dez doesn't always gain the seperation or run as precise routes as Irvin did or Romo doesn't throw the same velocity or certain patterns as well as Troy. I don't recall all of the specifics but it made a lot of sense at the time. It also would explain why Romo audibles out of so many plays . He understands what he and Dez are more capable of than what Garrett is wanting to run.

If there is any truth to any of this then I'd fault Garrett for a scheme or plays that doesn't suit the talent he has.

And with Dak I hope he's scheming for Daks best assets not what he wants or sees as most effective or safe . Dak was very successful using his legs at Miss St. We've seen other young QB's in NFL kill defenses with their mobility. I'm not encouraging to develop him into a running QB but to leave that option open in critical situations converting 3rd downs to sustain drives and in the Redzone.

I'll hang up and listen to your thoughts.:))
Same can be said about Marinelli.

Yelling someone into greatness never works.................especially when they're making guaranteed millions.
 

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We were basically one more play or timeout away from a Cinderella ending in Daks first NFL game. What a beginning that would have been overcoming all of the issues we are dissecting after the loss this week .

As painful as this loss was with several concerns which arose and exposed, Daks performance was a highlight. I'm definitely still feeling he has a bright future and he'll be in more positions to pull the games out.


Too much of this type of football with this type of outcome.

I'm not a fan of the 50/50 play not to lose football.

If we're hoping for perfect execution all the time then it's just not realistic.

Get Dez Bryant the ball and use routes that are up to modern day NFL standards.

Bland basic football is not going to cut it. 1-14 in our last 15 starts without Tony.
 

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Imagine...

Sign a name free agent or two on the defensive line.

Draft defense the first four rounds.

Jaylon Smith's nerve fires.

Tapper and Collins can play.

Imagine watching a game again knowing it's going to be difficult for them to get that go-ahead TD when they need it. Or winning a game again 10-6. or 28-3 or whatever. It seems like forever since that's happened.

Football is so much more fun to watch when your team can play defense.
 

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It's a big, big deal if Dak pans out, obviously. Finally, we might see some defensive talent added in these coming drafts. I can't wait. It's been forever since we've had the talent on defense to actually be really competitive on that side of the ball.
and if a club doesnt have a killer defense it will fail when it counts.
 

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Sunday was the first game of Dak Prescott's career. In six months, that'll all it will be remembered for.

The coaches didn't expect the running game would be so flat. They didn't fail to "coach" Beasley or Dez hard enough so they wouldn't drop those balls.

It's the NFL. Give it 4-5 games, and let's see where it is then.
I hope he gets 4 or 5 games before our situation collapses. Our schedule doesn't get any easier after our first 4 games.
 

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and if a club doesnt have a killer defense it will fail when it counts.

Yep. And one of the things that kills me, to build a good defense, you really just need to spend the resources on skilled players. You're as strong as your weakest link on that side of the ball, but a defense can be improved fairly dramatically, fairly quickly if you just spend the resources on it.
 

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Imagine watching a game again knowing it's going to be difficult for them to get that go-ahead TD when they need it. Or winning a game again 10-6. or 28-3 or whatever. It seems like forever since that's happened.

Football is so much more fun to watch when your team can play defense.
Yep. And we knew Romo and our running game would have to overcome our defense . It's a lot to put on Dak. We'll see. I still have some confidence.
 

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Imagine watching a game again knowing it's going to be difficult for them to get that go-ahead TD when they need it. Or winning a game again 10-6. or 28-3 or whatever. It seems like forever since that's happened.

Football is so much more fun to watch when your team can play defense.

Or imagine a defense not being able to take away our best offensive players just because our team lets them.
 

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Yep. And one of the things that kills me, to build a good defense, you really just need to spend the resources on skilled players. You're as strong as your weakest link on that side of the ball, but a defense can be improved fairly dramatically, fairly quickly if you just spend the resources on it.
To me, the club spent a lot of 1st round picks on the OL. I am not complaining the club has the best line in football...but it wasnt cheap and the defense really paid for that line. Literally.
 

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Yep. And one of the things that kills me, to build a good defense, you really just need to spend the resources on skilled players. You're as strong as your weakest link on that side of the ball, but a defense can be improved fairly dramatically, fairly quickly if you just spend the resources on it.

It has to be in bulk though. One player doesn't do it like it can on offense.
 

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To me, the club spent a lot of 1st round picks on the OL. I am not complaining the club has the best line in football...but it wasnt cheap and the defense really paid for that line. Literally.

Yep. They made the right picks, given how the board broke each time, but two of those three years, I was hoping for a DL in place of the OL we drafted instead.
 

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Or imagine a defense not being able to take away our best offensive players just because our team lets them.

That's unrelated, but I don't care if a defense wants to take Dez, or Zeke, or whoever out of the game. I don't get why people get worked up over it. As long as somebody else makes the big play instead, the offense is doing its job. And we've got guys who are capable of doing that.
 

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It has to be in bulk though. One player doesn't do it like it can on offense.

Defense is not like offense. Your defense is as good as your weakest link, so if you have a hole at S or at WIL or whatever, an offense will exploit it.

On offense, you need to protect your QB, but since you're deciding where to attack, you're able to cover up for a weak link or two. You need impact players that create matchup problems on offense....and enough of them that you have options based off of who you're playing against. Defensively, you have to be good everywhere and it helps if you're exceptional in some places, too.

We've got legit personnel holes that can be exploited, and we've had them for years now. And we draft for the knockout player when what we really need it to upgrade the positions that are below average. A couple of solid 2nd round picks who were actually on the field right now would make a huge difference.
 

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That's unrelated, but I don't care if a defense wants to take Dez, or Zeke, or whoever out of the game. I don't get why people get worked up over it. As long as somebody else makes the big play instead, the offense is doing its job. And we've got guys who are capable of doing that.

I get worked up over it because I feel like putting the ball in our superstars hands give us the best chance to win and I think teams will gladly let Beasley and Witten try to beat us.
 

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In a vacuum I would agree; the reason that people are dismayed is that this was a carbon copy of the typical game from last year: conservative offense and a defense that falls apart when you need it most.
Defense got the ball back to the offense with a minute and a half to get into FG range
 

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I get worked up over it because I feel like putting the ball in our superstars hands give us the best chance to win and I think teams will gladly let Beasley and Witten try to beat us.

Like everything, it's all relative. There are times and coverages where you want it in the Superstar's hands. But every person we line up needs to be capable of catching the balls when their number is called. We want the QB making the most productive plays possible. If that means beating double coverage for a game winner, great. If it means turning to Terrence deep downfield when Dez has the attention of the safety, that's fine with me, too. Just don't drop the balls.

This team has Dez, Tony, Witten, and now, Zeke. There are enough superstars to go around at crunch time. And if our elite players made the elite plays that were there to be made last Sunday, we'd be 1-0 instead of 0-1.
 
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