CFZ The flaw with the Jones and their roster building

[Captain-Crash]

their way isn't flawed, or you guys wouldn't be here. they know what they are doing

 

[CouchCoach]

I don't think they look at player personnel, at least when it comes to FA, through the prism of position needs or overall team needs. They just look at players. They just want to grab bodies, especially their own, in FA.

Randy Gregory is a good DE. He's not a great DE. He was offered $70 million which is a pretty large contract for a DE. That kind of contract would give you the impression that the Cowboys realize they have a big need at DE opposite Lawrence. And yet, when Gregory bolts, they make no moves to land an equally talented or better DE. That $70 million "budgeted" for DE vaporizes. Because it wasn't budgeted for a high level DE. It was just budgeted for Gregory. They signed a couple of cheapies and move onto the draft. They didn't slot $70 million to get better (or at least not regress) at DE. They just slotted the money for Gregory, only.

Take Elliott. They paid him a massive contract. One would think that it's because they view the importance of a TB to this offense, hence why they paid a talented TB all that money. But if Elliott could retire tomorrow with no cap implications for the Cowboys and Henry or Kamara or Cook were free agents, would the Cowboys spend that kind of money on talented TBs to replace him? Nope.

What we are seeing is a disconnect between what they are willing to pay their own players that they like and what they are willing to pay to fill the position if "their" player left or wasn't here.

They do not evaluate players they do not have relationships with in keeping with employing family members. It all fits.

 

[Whyjerry]

I don't think they look at player personnel, at least when it comes to FA, through the prism of position needs or overall team needs. They just look at players. They just want to grab bodies, especially their own, in FA.

Randy Gregory is a good DE. He's not a great DE. He was offered $70 million which is a pretty large contract for a DE. That kind of contract would give you the impression that the Cowboys realize they have a big need at DE opposite Lawrence. And yet, when Gregory bolts, they make no moves to land an equally talented or better DE. That $70 million "budgeted" for DE vaporizes. Because it wasn't budgeted for a high level DE. It was just budgeted for Gregory. They signed a couple of cheapies and move onto the draft. They didn't slot $70 million to get better (or at least not regress) at DE. They just slotted the money for Gregory, only.

Take Elliott. They paid him a massive contract. One would think that it's because they view the importance of a TB to this offense, hence why they paid a talented TB all that money. But if Elliott could retire tomorrow with no cap implications for the Cowboys and Henry or Kamara or Cook were free agents, would the Cowboys spend that kind of money on talented TBs to replace him? Nope.

What we are seeing is a disconnect between what they are willing to pay their own players that they like and what they are willing to pay to fill the position if "their" player left or wasn't here.

Well for years we were told S and DT weren't important positions so there's that. For a year we were told that they could scheme their way out of poor WRs. We paid a RB like this was the 1990s NFL. Traded #1s for meh WRs. Had Special Teams drafts. Actually carried 2 kickers on game day. Tried turning a basketball player into a TE. Talked about position flex like it was the Holy Grail. Coaching, not important. It's the Jones way. Not eat your sheet sandwich and like it.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I don't think they look at player personnel, at least when it comes to FA, through the prism of position needs or overall team needs. They just look at players. They just want to grab bodies, especially their own, in FA.

Randy Gregory is a good DE. He's not a great DE. He was offered $70 million which is a pretty large contract for a DE. That kind of contract would give you the impression that the Cowboys realize they have a big need at DE opposite Lawrence. And yet, when Gregory bolts, they make no moves to land an equally talented or better DE. That $70 million "budgeted" for DE vaporizes. Because it wasn't budgeted for a high level DE. It was just budgeted for Gregory. They signed a couple of cheapies and move onto the draft. They didn't slot $70 million to get better (or at least not regress) at DE. They just slotted the money for Gregory, only.

Take Elliott. They paid him a massive contract. One would think that it's because they view the importance of a TB to this offense, hence why they paid a talented TB all that money. But if Elliott could retire tomorrow with no cap implications for the Cowboys and Henry or Kamara or Cook were free agents, would the Cowboys spend that kind of money on talented TBs to replace him? Nope.

What we are seeing is a disconnect between what they are willing to pay their own players that they like and what they are willing to pay to fill the position if "their" player left or wasn't here.

I think the build through the draft mantra extends to FA. They want to draft and then keep what they draft. I believe you are right in that they dont see outsiders who are as or better in the same light.

Another is they don't usually treat 2nd contracts as short term like other teams do. They resturcture to the point that a player is basically going to see the end of his contract. Crawford is a good example of that. Most 2nd contracts are really just two year deals, where the player can be cut after the 2nd. Gregory's is really only 28 million

 

[MaineBoy]

I don't think they look at player personnel, at least when it comes to FA, through the prism of position needs or overall team needs. They just look at players. They just want to grab bodies, especially their own, in FA.

Randy Gregory is a good DE. He's not a great DE. He was offered $70 million which is a pretty large contract for a DE. That kind of contract would give you the impression that the Cowboys realize they have a big need at DE opposite Lawrence. And yet, when Gregory bolts, they make no moves to land an equally talented or better DE. That $70 million "budgeted" for DE vaporizes. Because it wasn't budgeted for a high level DE. It was just budgeted for Gregory. They signed a couple of cheapies and move onto the draft. They didn't slot $70 million to get better (or at least not regress) at DE. They just slotted the money for Gregory, only.

Take Elliott. They paid him a massive contract. One would think that it's because they view the importance of a TB to this offense, hence why they paid a talented TB all that money. But if Elliott could retire tomorrow with no cap implications for the Cowboys and Henry or Kamara or Cook were free agents, would the Cowboys spend that kind of money on talented TBs to replace him? Nope.

What we are seeing is a disconnect between what they are willing to pay their own players that they like and what they are willing to pay to fill the position if "their" player left or wasn't here.

The fatal flaw in their roster building comes down to one simple fact: They do not know how to evaluate football talent. And that includes both players and coaches. That’s why they end up overvaluing and overpaying average talent. It’s why we always get bad or retread coaches instead of rising stars. And it’s why they eliminated free agency as a way to help build a team: they’ve signed some bad free agents in the past because they can’t evaluate talent, but they conveniently concluded that free agency is bad. Jerry knows marketing and oil, not football. Stephen just knows how to be cheap.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I don't think they look at player personnel, at least when it comes to FA, through the prism of position needs or overall team needs. They just look at players. They just want to grab bodies, especially their own, in FA.

Randy Gregory is a good DE. He's not a great DE. He was offered $70 million which is a pretty large contract for a DE. That kind of contract would give you the impression that the Cowboys realize they have a big need at DE opposite Lawrence. And yet, when Gregory bolts, they make no moves to land an equally talented or better DE. That $70 million "budgeted" for DE vaporizes. Because it wasn't budgeted for a high level DE. It was just budgeted for Gregory. They signed a couple of cheapies and move onto the draft. They didn't slot $70 million to get better (or at least not regress) at DE. They just slotted the money for Gregory, only.

Take Elliott. They paid him a massive contract. One would think that it's because they view the importance of a TB to this offense, hence why they paid a talented TB all that money. But if Elliott could retire tomorrow with no cap implications for the Cowboys and Henry or Kamara or Cook were free agents, would the Cowboys spend that kind of money on talented TBs to replace him? Nope.

What we are seeing is a disconnect between what they are willing to pay their own players that they like and what they are willing to pay to fill the position if "their" player left or wasn't here.

The current problem I see is that they are all too confident that they will nail the draft and fill their holes in the draft. Too much reliance there. Its as if they have put themselves in a position where they are almost forced to take OL in the first round. Not a good place to be although I think they will be able to get it done with a guard or Center.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The fatal flaw in their roster building comes down to one simple fact: They do not know how to evaluate football talent. And that includes both players and coaches. That’s why they end up overvaluing and overpaying average talent. It’s why we always get bad or retread coaches instead of rising stars. And it’s why they eliminated free agency as a way to help build a team: they’ve signed some bad free agents in the past because they can’t evaluate talent, but they conveniently concluded that free agency is bad. Jerry knows marketing and oil, not football. Stephen just knows how to be cheap.

100%. They overvalue their own players. One major flaw is that they wait until the contract is up and the player hits FA before they resign them. Just look at what the real franchises do.

KC consulted with Hill and found out he wanted 30 million/year to resign so they traded him before he was a FA. Got a big windfall. The way the Cowboys do it they are bidding against the highest bidder out there AND the trade value drops significantly.

 

[Coogiguy03]

I expect him to play very well initially.

I also expect him cut after year two.

Exactly lol

 

[Dalmations202]

I don't think they look at player personnel, at least when it comes to FA, through the prism of position needs or overall team needs. They just look at players. They just want to grab bodies, especially their own, in FA.

Randy Gregory is a good DE. He's not a great DE. He was offered $70 million which is a pretty large contract for a DE. That kind of contract would give you the impression that the Cowboys realize they have a big need at DE opposite Lawrence. And yet, when Gregory bolts, they make no moves to land an equally talented or better DE. That $70 million "budgeted" for DE vaporizes. Because it wasn't budgeted for a high level DE. It was just budgeted for Gregory. They signed a couple of cheapies and move onto the draft. They didn't slot $70 million to get better (or at least not regress) at DE. They just slotted the money for Gregory, only.

Take Elliott. They paid him a massive contract. One would think that it's because they view the importance of a TB to this offense, hence why they paid a talented TB all that money. But if Elliott could retire tomorrow with no cap implications for the Cowboys and Henry or Kamara or Cook were free agents, would the Cowboys spend that kind of money on talented TBs to replace him? Nope.

What we are seeing is a disconnect between what they are willing to pay their own players that they like and what they are willing to pay to fill the position if "their" player left or wasn't here.

The problem is they can't evaluate talent. They run scared that they are going to give big money to a guy that doesn't fit -- like they have before. Fact is, they can't evaluate their own talent because they become "friends/family" with them, and they can't judge outside talent because they got burned more than once.

So they blow smoke, drink the JWB, and pocket the $$$ instead.............what a life.

 

[Dalmations202]

The fatal flaw in their roster building comes down to one simple fact: They do not know how to evaluate football talent. And that includes both players and coaches. That’s why they end up overvaluing and overpaying average talent. It’s why we always get bad or retread coaches instead of rising stars. And it’s why they eliminated free agency as a way to help build a team: they’ve signed some bad free agents in the past because they can’t evaluate talent, but they conveniently concluded that free agency is bad. Jerry knows marketing and oil, not football. Stephen just knows how to be cheap.

my apologies for my above post because you said it better than I did.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Jerry is still trying to prove to us Cowboy fans that he was the mastermind behind those 90's teams. That's why he won't put Jimmy in the ring of honor. Jerry plans on putting Jimmy in the ROH ony after Dallas wins another SB. That's an I told you so egotistical maniac we have as an owner. So, yes he tries to keep his drafted payers on the roster, because that also feeds his I told you so ego. He's more about being right than being proficient.


Jimmy is still in his head.

 

[mrmojo]

This will cheer ya up!

And they'd still win a SB before us......

 

[MaineBoy]

The problem is they can't evaluate talent. They run scared that they are going to give big money to a guy that doesn't fit -- like they have before. Fact is, they can't evaluate their own talent because they become "friends/family" with them, and they can't judge outside talent because they got burned more than once.

So they blow smoke, drink the JWB, and pocket the $$$ instead.............what a life.

Yup, so true everything you said, especially the friends/family thing…and drinking JWB…lol

 

[Typhus]

hum and the awakening begins.

slow fans.

You pull no punches these days, do you even wrap the knuckles at least?

 

[GORICO]

I don't think they look at player personnel, at least when it comes to FA, through the prism of position needs or overall team needs. They just look at players. They just want to grab bodies, especially their own, in FA.

Randy Gregory is a good DE. He's not a great DE. He was offered $70 million which is a pretty large contract for a DE. That kind of contract would give you the impression that the Cowboys realize they have a big need at DE opposite Lawrence. And yet, when Gregory bolts, they make no moves to land an equally talented or better DE. That $70 million "budgeted" for DE vaporizes. Because it wasn't budgeted for a high level DE. It was just budgeted for Gregory. They signed a couple of cheapies and move onto the draft. They didn't slot $70 million to get better (or at least not regress) at DE. They just slotted the money for Gregory, only.

Take Elliott. They paid him a massive contract. One would think that it's because they view the importance of a TB to this offense, hence why they paid a talented TB all that money. But if Elliott could retire tomorrow with no cap implications for the Cowboys and Henry or Kamara or Cook were free agents, would the Cowboys spend that kind of money on talented TBs to replace him? Nope.

What we are seeing is a disconnect between what they are willing to pay their own players that they like and what they are willing to pay to fill the position if "their" player left or wasn't here.

and the whole time i thought Stephen Jones was just a straight up Chiseler

its because they don't know how to assess talent and the don't have a philosophy or plan,

its because they don't know how to assess talent and the don't have a philosophy or plan,

that is Way True too

 

[GORICO]

You pull no punches these days, do you even wrap the knuckles at least?

typhus---how much would it cost for you to get the brother of that prize winning catfish to sick on Stephen Jones????

 

[Typhus]

but I doubt if we would still be a superbowl team....players come to Dallas to vanish.

Players come to Dallas to Vanish.
Im going to have a hard time forgetting that line tonight.
Its harsh and hits one in the belly.

 

[Typhus]

typhus---how much would it cost for you to get the brother of that prize winning catfish to sick on Stephen Jones????

PM me for pricing structure, I too have a cap, and the cap is a real thing.

 

[GORICO]

PM me for pricing structure, I too have a cap, and the cap is a real thing.

10K...opener?

 

[Typhus]

10K...opener?

That gets you invited to the conversation.