CFZ The flaw with the Jones and their roster building

[Dak_Attack_09]

I don't think they look at player personnel, at least when it comes to FA, through the prism of position needs or overall team needs. They just look at players. They just want to grab bodies, especially their own, in FA.

Randy Gregory is a good DE. He's not a great DE. He was offered $70 million which is a pretty large contract for a DE. That kind of contract would give you the impression that the Cowboys realize they have a big need at DE opposite Lawrence. And yet, when Gregory bolts, they make no moves to land an equally talented or better DE. That $70 million "budgeted" for DE vaporizes. Because it wasn't budgeted for a high level DE. It was just budgeted for Gregory. They signed a couple of cheapies and move onto the draft. They didn't slot $70 million to get better (or at least not regress) at DE. They just slotted the money for Gregory, only.

Take Elliott. They paid him a massive contract. One would think that it's because they view the importance of a TB to this offense, hence why they paid a talented TB all that money. But if Elliott could retire tomorrow with no cap implications for the Cowboys and Henry or Kamara or Cook were free agents, would the Cowboys spend that kind of money on talented TBs to replace him? Nope.

What we are seeing is a disconnect between what they are willing to pay their own players that they like and what they are willing to pay to fill the position if "their" player left or wasn't here.

27 years of losing. 15% Post-season winning record.

 

[kskboys]

Well for years we were told S and DT weren't important positions so there's that. For a year we were told that they could scheme their way out of poor WRs. We paid a RB like this was the 1990s NFL. Traded #1s for meh WRs. Had Special Teams drafts. Actually carried 2 kickers on game day. Tried turning a basketball player into a TE. Talked about position flex like it was the Holy Grail. Coaching, not important. It's the Jones way. Not eat your sheet sandwich and like it.

Don't forget, if you have a mobile Qb you don't need a good OL.

 

[kskboys]

The fatal flaw in their roster building comes down to one simple fact: They do not know how to evaluate football talent. And that includes both players and coaches. That’s why they end up overvaluing and overpaying average talent. It’s why we always get bad or retread coaches instead of rising stars. And it’s why they eliminated free agency as a way to help build a team: they’ve signed some bad free agents in the past because they can’t evaluate talent, but they conveniently concluded that free agency is bad. Jerry knows marketing and oil, not football. Stephen just knows how to be cheap.

Well said.

I seriously know some teenage kids who are better at it.

 

[Gaede]

This is exactly right. They have no strategy to roster building, no coherent football philosophy that says we play like (blank). They build the team to appease their egos and according to the fleeting needs of the moment

 

[Batman1980]

Don't forget, if you have a mobile Qb you don't need a good OL.

Tony Romo and Dak Prescott would disagree with you.

 

[kskboys]

Tony Romo and Dak Prescott would disagree with you.

Not me, they disagree w/ Jerry!!!!!

 

[Whyjerry]

Don't forget, if you have a mobile Qb you don't need a good OL.

Forgive me. How could I?

 

[Cmac]

More interested in revenue, instead of a brand that wins with regularity.

 

[kskboys]

It really does come down to evaluating personnel. They are beyond terrible at it.

 

[Sydla]

Another aspect here is that I think they believe if they sign “their” guys to second contracts it’s some sort of validation of their drafting prowess.

In other words signing Gregory makes them look better than signing a ZaDarius Smith because they drafted Gregory.

 

[plasticman]

"The" flaw?

As in a single flaw?

There are dozens of flaws in their methodology
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Here's just a few.....

Drafting skill players in the 1st round - The best case scenario is that you get a great player you can't afford four years later unless you pay them a king's ransom. Basically, you are providing them with the experience and training that increases their value to other teams. Drafting WR's in the 2nd and 3rd rounds will get you fine receivers without the cap backlash

Ignoring the QB position in the top rounds of the draft - How many QB's have the Cowboys drafted in the top three rounds since their SB years? One, Quincy Carter. They have not paid attention to the position when they think they have their franchise QB but this is when they need to do so the most. No clear competition gives the starter better leverage in contract negotiations while he is not challenged by a competitor. Drafting another quarterback creates that competition. The developing quarterback then builds intriguing trade value.

Pro-active contract negotiations.` - The Cowboys should have been talking contract with Dak after his 3rd season, especially after allowing Zeke to leapfrog Dak to the table. This probably cost the Cowboys about 15 million a year for the next four years.

Drafting or trading or signing veteran free agents whose skills are not compatible with the Cowboys philosophy - I thought the Cowboys were going to be a running team. They had a top 5 draft pick for a RB, they had three 1st round high paid All Pro O-linemen to block for him. They even had some real talent sitting on the bench to spell Zeke. So why then do the Cowboys give away a 1st rounder plus more for a WR and then draft another in the next season they have a 1st round pick? The Cowboys end up losing the player they traded for.

 

[Floatyworm]

I don't think they look at player personnel, at least when it comes to FA, through the prism of position needs or overall team needs. They just look at players. They just want to grab bodies, especially their own, in FA.

Randy Gregory is a good DE. He's not a great DE. He was offered $70 million which is a pretty large contract for a DE. That kind of contract would give you the impression that the Cowboys realize they have a big need at DE opposite Lawrence. And yet, when Gregory bolts, they make no moves to land an equally talented or better DE. That $70 million "budgeted" for DE vaporizes. Because it wasn't budgeted for a high level DE. It was just budgeted for Gregory. They signed a couple of cheapies and move onto the draft. They didn't slot $70 million to get better (or at least not regress) at DE. They just slotted the money for Gregory, only.

Take Elliott. They paid him a massive contract. One would think that it's because they view the importance of a TB to this offense, hence why they paid a talented TB all that money. But if Elliott could retire tomorrow with no cap implications for the Cowboys and Henry or Kamara or Cook were free agents, would the Cowboys spend that kind of money on talented TBs to replace him? Nope.

What we are seeing is a disconnect between what they are willing to pay their own players that they like and what they are willing to pay to fill the position if "their" player left or wasn't here.

They badly over pay for past performance....for moderately average to better than average players.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

take our exact roster last year and switch Dak with Joe Burrow or Mahomes..... IM thinking wed win a few playoff games.

Switch Dak and Burrow and Dak would’ve had far more success than he had here. To make such a statement insinuates Dak is the problem and not the coaches and players around him or the GM/owner who has struggled for 25 years. It’s insulting.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

They badly over pay for past performance....for moderately average to better than average players.

That’s the NFL. That structure of the NFL makes it so that you will have to overpay for moderately average talent. Not a excuse to be 8-8 or first round exit….

 

[Reid1boys]

Switch Dak and Burrow and Dak would’ve had far more success than he had here. To make such a statement insinuates Dak is the problem and not the coaches and players around him or the GM/owner who has struggled for 25 years. It’s insulting.

lol...... insinuates? lol

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

lol...... insinuates? lol

Yeah?

 

[john van brocklin]

I don't think they look at player personnel, at least when it comes to FA, through the prism of position needs or overall team needs. They just look at players. They just want to grab bodies, especially their own, in FA.

Randy Gregory is a good DE. He's not a great DE. He was offered $70 million which is a pretty large contract for a DE. That kind of contract would give you the impression that the Cowboys realize they have a big need at DE opposite Lawrence. And yet, when Gregory bolts, they make no moves to land an equally talented or better DE. That $70 million "budgeted" for DE vaporizes. Because it wasn't budgeted for a high level DE. It was just budgeted for Gregory. They signed a couple of cheapies and move onto the draft. They didn't slot $70 million to get better (or at least not regress) at DE. They just slotted the money for Gregory, only.

Take Elliott. They paid him a massive contract. One would think that it's because they view the importance of a TB to this offense, hence why they paid a talented TB all that money. But if Elliott could retire tomorrow with no cap implications for the Cowboys and Henry or Kamara or Cook were free agents, would the Cowboys spend that kind of money on talented TBs to replace him? Nope.

What we are seeing is a disconnect between what they are willing to pay their own players that they like and what they are willing to pay to fill the position if "their" player left or wasn't here.

Too enamored with their own players

 

[America's Cowboy]

Some of you guys are butthurt because the Cowboys front office doesn't think or do things the way you would like. Tough cookies.

I'm not surprised with what the Cowboys do. I even said way back in September they would do exactly what they have done today.

 

[CowboysExchange]

Trust me. Anybody that places a franchise tag on a mediocre te like Dalton Schultz doesn't know wth theyre doing. LMAO.

Esp w all of the fa tes available.

That's about as equivalent of tagging #82 in his last 7 seasons. Js.

They really $#!+ their pants on that one.

Bobby Wagner vs Schultz
Gronk vs Schultz

I woulda gave him a contract about like Blake Jarwin..

 

[noshame]

Main flaw with this team for 30 years is HC Jerry Jones (everything from jocks to socks)