The fumble that wasn't

[McKDaddy]

I'm with you. I can see an argument both ways, but for the review to be that quick and to overturn the call on the field it should be immediately clear and obvious, and IMO it wasn't.

While we're at it, I'm still not so sure the first Bengals INT was a catch, either. Looked like the nose of the ball hit the ground.

I asked in the game thread if anyone thought the way the ball went backwards affected the perception that he didn't control it? In other words, if the contact had jarred the ball loose but it dropped down more right behind the receiver would that have helped the perception that the ball was tucked away?

 

[Runwildboys]

Simple - There was never possession. He was juggling the ball and the instant he controlled it, the ball got knocked loose. Easy reversal.

I don't think it even got "knocked" loose. I think it was squirting out the back of his arm before he got touched. I could be mistaken, but either way, definitely not a fumble.

 

[Runwildboys]

I'm with you. I can see an argument both ways, but for the review to be that quick and to overturn the call on the field it should be immediately clear and obvious, and IMO it wasn't.

While we're at it, I'm still not so sure the first Bengals INT was a catch, either. Looked like the nose of the ball hit the ground.

The nose of the ball was most definitely on the ground. I just don't think there was any evidence to say he didn't have control of it at that point...but if I was going to overturn either call, it would be that one.

 

[noshame]

It was a incomplete pass for crying out loud.
Be thankful they didn't call the face mask on Burrow when they about ripped his head off LOL

 

[Ranching]

The GM that never existed. Surprised no one started that thread.

There at least one started every day....where you been....your gonna offend Bob

 

[Adreme]

Nothing is "very clearly" anything anymore.

No it was about as obvious of a drop as you are going to get. Bobbling it the entire time as he tries to bring it into his body at which point it’s immediately popped out.

As a general rule everything can look like possession in slow motion but it’s very clear and obvious the receiver never controlled that ball at any point.

 

[FVSTONE]

Surprised nobody started a thread already.

What's the deal with that fumble they called back?

The guy had possession and made a football move to tuck it away. That's a fumble. It's crazy to me that not only did they overturn it, but they did so with an expedited review.

I saw some people say he didn't get two steps after control, but that makes no sense. His feet were planted on the ground nearly the entire time. As soon as he got control he had both feet. He doesn't need to take two steps after that, just the time for a football move.

The receiver was bobbling the ball and when he finely secured it, he was hit immediately before he could move a FOOTBALL move, thus it became an incomplete pass.

 

[nightrain]

I knew the Refs had a hand in this.

 

[Kevinicus]

The receiver was bobbling the ball and when he finely secured it, he was hit immediately before he could move a FOOTBALL move, thus it became an incomplete pass.

I don't agree. He made a clear football move in my opinion.

 

[shabazz]

Nothing is "very clearly" anything anymore.

Clearly 2025 will start the renewal and march toward sucess....Clearly.

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

He never had possession.

 

[MarcusRock]

It was very close. Closer than I thought watching it live. I thought it was incomplete but it did come close to being complete. The bobble lasts almost up until he puts the ball in one hand and tucks it away. At the same time, one of his feet is coming off the ground so it's all about whether he got it under control the split second before he lifted his 1 foot off the ground. The first replay here is the best shot. I personally don't think he had full control of the ball until he pushed it into one hand right before tucking it. By then the foot is off the ground which would make it no catch. Possession and 2 feet have to happen BEFORE any football move can be executed per the catch rule.

 

[TwentyOne]

He doesn't need to take two steps after that, just the time for a football move.

Thats wrong and maybe its the reason you think it was a fumble.

I suggest you read the rules.

 

[MarcusRock]

Thats wrong and maybe its the reason you think it was a fumble.

I suggest you read the rules.

No, he's right. You only have to touch 2 feet down, not actually take steps.

RULE 8 FORWARD PASS, BACKWARD PASS, FUMBLE​

SECTION 1 FORWARD PASS​

ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is​

complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is​

inbounds:​

(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and​

(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and​

(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take​

an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.​

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Surprised nobody started a thread already.

What's the deal with that fumble they called back?

The guy had possession and made a football move to tuck it away. That's a fumble. It's crazy to me that not only did they overturn it, but they did so with an expedited review.

I saw some people say he didn't get two steps after control, but that makes no sense. His feet were planted on the ground nearly the entire time. As soon as he got control he had both feet. He doesn't need to take two steps after that, just the time for a football move.

Nobody started a thread because it was so obviously the right thing they did to correct it/reverse it, that even the most unabashed homer wouldn't suggest we got screwed there....until you came along.

I mean...if you just want the refs and league to spot the Cowboys 21 points every game at kickoff, then just say so. Personally, I wouldn't take much joy if the league just handed the Cowboys a W every week....but I seem to be in the minority.

 

[TwentyOne]

I say that's a fumble, regardless of idiot rules.

thats a great way to think about stuff.

next time another team scores a td and gets 6 points you just say "you lose 6 points for that, i dont care about the rules".

question in the end is whats the name of the game? it aint football for sure. maybe your rules game?

 

[TwentyOne]

No, he's right. You only have to touch 2 feet down, not actually take steps.

RULE 8 FORWARD PASS, BACKWARD PASS, FUMBLE​

SECTION 1 FORWARD PASS​

ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS. A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is​

complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is​

inbounds:​

(a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and​

(b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and​

(c) after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take​

an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.​

seriously? you posted it its written in very easy words and you still say it aint so ?

"

take​

an additional step,"​

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idk. i don t wanna argue with you where things are complex and you have actually think logically rather than just read words and understand them.

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i replied to your comment that he doesnt need to take extra steps. thats wrong. you just posted the rule.

a tuck is also enough, thats true. but again that wasnt what you stated.

in the end thats unimportant anyways. the guy had never control of the ball which is the first and most important thing.

 

[MarcusRock]

seriously? you posted it and still argue against it ?

"

take​

an additional step,"​

Are you color blind and can't see the red text I posted?

If a player goes up for a catch and comes down with both feet on the ground, and gets pushed out of bounds before he can "take steps," is that not a catch? Please stop playing obtuse and take the L.

 

[Kevinicus]

Thats wrong and maybe its the reason you think it was a fumble.

I suggest you read the rules.

Wrong how?

I'm very familiar with the rule.

Control, both feet down and time enough for a football move. All 3 occurred.

 

[DUO_CORE]

Vegas did an expedited review and it was incomplete....I mean New York....