The fumble that wasn't

[Kevinicus]

seriously? you posted it and still argue against it ?

"

take​

an additional step,"​

That is one of many potential football moves. Any of them will do.

"Tuck the ball away."

 

[Kevinicus]

Nobody started a thread because it was so obviously the right thing they did to correct it/reverse it, that even the most unabashed homer wouldn't suggest we got screwed there....until you came along.

I mean...if you just want the refs and league to spot the Cowboys 21 points every game at kickoff, then just say so. Personally, I wouldn't take much joy if the league just handed the Cowboys a W every week....but I seem to be in the minority.

It obviously met the criteria of a catch.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

It obviously met the criteria of a catch.

So obvious, that most COWBOYS fans disagree with you, as well as people who are paid due to their football expertise. .and even Cowboys players and coaches aren't protesting the call?

Sometimes...it's better to let OTHER people guide your opinions and thoughts. Better people, more capable. That's not a bad thing!

 

[gimmesix]

Surprised nobody started a thread already.

What's the deal with that fumble they called back?

The guy had possession and made a football move to tuck it away. That's a fumble. It's crazy to me that not only did they overturn it, but they did so with an expedited review.

I saw some people say he didn't get two steps after control, but that makes no sense. His feet were planted on the ground nearly the entire time. As soon as he got control he had both feet. He doesn't need to take two steps after that, just the time for a football move.

In real speed, the ball was moving all the way until he started to tuck it away. Then, it got knocked out. It was a good call.

 

[Kevinicus]

So obvious, that most COWBOYS fans disagree with you, as well as people who are paid due to their football expertise. .and even Cowboys players and coaches aren't protesting the call?

Sometimes...it's better to let OTHER people guide your opinions and thoughts. Better people, more capable. That's not a bad thing!

Do most Cowboys fans disagree? Sure didn't seem like it last night.

And I'm definitely not alone:

 

[Kevinicus]

In real speed, the ball was moving all the way until he started to tuck it away. Then, it got knocked out. It was a good call.

I disagree. He bobbled it twice, clearly secured it in his hands, then tucked, then lost control.

 

[gimmesix]

I'm with you. I can see an argument both ways, but for the review to be that quick and to overturn the call on the field it should be immediately clear and obvious, and IMO it wasn't.

While we're at it, I'm still not so sure the first Bengals INT was a catch, either. Looked like the nose of the ball hit the ground.

That only matters if the player making the catch doesn't have control of the ball. If the ball hits the ground and it moves or shifts in the player's hand it's not a catch. I don't believe there was ever anything showing that he lost control.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

thats a great way to think about stuff.

next time another team scores a td and gets 6 points you just say "you lose 6 points for that, i dont care about the rules".

question in the end is whats the name of the game? it aint football for sure. maybe your rules game?

Well...since I'm not a ref...why would it matter so much to ya what I think.

So you never disagree with any rule ever. Got it.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

That only matters if the player making the catch doesn't have control of the ball. If the ball hits the ground and it moves or shifts in the player's hand it's not a catch. I don't believe there was ever anything showing that he lost control.

FWIW, Bill Belichick said on the Manningcast he thought it was a drop.

 

[Whirlwin]

Surprised nobody started a thread already.

What's the deal with that fumble they called back?

The guy had possession and made a football move to tuck it away. That's a fumble. It's crazy to me that not only did they overturn it, but they did so with an expedited review.

I saw some people say he didn't get two steps after control, but that makes no sense. His feet were planted on the ground nearly the entire time. As soon as he got control he had both feet. He doesn't need to take two steps after that, just the time for a football move.

He bubbled it three times he never caught it

 

[Whirlwin]

That was definitely a catch and fumble. But oh well now

Not

 

[Whirlwin]

I agree - you tuck it, you had possesion!

But that’s the thing, he never tucked it. He just tried to.

 

[gimmesix]

FWIW, Bill Belichick said on the Manningcast he thought it was a drop.

Interesting. I don't agree with him, but I guess that shows it's more debatable than I thought.

 

[Kevinicus]

He bubbled it three times he never caught it

Bobbled it twice then secured it and tucked it. Then fumbled.

 

[Kevinicus]

But that’s the thing, he never tucked it. He just tried to.

He did tuck it. The fact that he did a piss poor job and lost it at the end doesn't change that.

 

[Creeper]

He never completed the tuck. You could see from the back angle when he tucked the ball it was slipping through his arm the whole time.

 

[Whirlwin]

Bobbled it twice then secured it and tucked it. Then fumbled.

The initial catch was a bobble. But who cares. It wasn’t a catch.

 

[Runwildboys]

I don't agree. He made a clear football move in my opinion.

Yes he did. Unfortunately, the ball wasn't secure at the time.

 

[Runwildboys]

Are you color blind and can't see the red text I posted?

If a player goes up for a catch and comes down with both feet on the ground, and gets pushed out of bounds before he can "take steps," is that not a catch? Please stop playing obtuse and take the L.

The word "and" is connecting those 3 criteria.

 

[HungryLion]

These type of arguments are inevitable when you have rules that include subjective phrases like “football move” and “tuck away”