The Grass isn't Always Greener (Fire the Coaches Mobb)

[THEHEREAFTER]

I'm not disagreeing with you guys. This is my issue. I stay on the pulse of what Boys fans are thinking (as most of us do). Do you guys remember 2006? Parcells is about as hard nosed, knowledgeable, experienced, motivated and detailed as they come. Guess what? We had simular losses under him. In fact we only even made the playoffs 2 of his 4 years. We had STUPID penalties, dumb turnovers and questionable play calls (even when Sean Peyton and Maurice Carthon were running the offense). You know what I heard then? "The game has passed Parcells by." "He's is losing the locker room"... "His methods are outdated".. "He's Stubborn.. boring.. old... " etc.....

My thing is who's to say Shanny or Cower wouldn't get the same treatment after a tough loss? I have a lot of respect for Shanny but what has he done save for a couple of years with a HOF legend QB and a borderline HOF running back (TD)? He was not so "hot" last year in Denver and I'm sure the Denv fans had mixed opinions of him LAST YEAR.

Don't get me wrong, I have my issues with Wade as well. I've just seen the Cowboys look sloppy and lose tough games under Jimmy also. Jimmy also flopped in Miami. At some point you need internal leadership and accountability amongst the PLAYERS as well. Know your assignments, execute, TACKLE, BLOCK, PROTECT THE BALL!!!! Who will lead? Who has the killer instinct? Who will step up and make a play? I honestly believe that players make a coach look good moreso than the other way around. We lost to a very good team (#1 defense in the league), in a historically tough place to play. Isht happens. Maybe Wade/Garrett is not the ultimate answer. I just think we can also perform better. Not ready to fire everyone after last play losses to NYG and at Denv.. but I understand how ya'll feel.

 

[Doomsday101]

Even if Dallas hired one of these coaches if they did not win right off the bat the same knuckle heads screaming today will be doing it to them as well. Cowher and Gruden and Shananhan are good coaches who have also experiance bad times hell 2 of them have been fired and one of the 2 was fired twice. There is no magic and a coach who hollers is not the key to anything coaches who get their players to buy into what they are doing means everything.

 

[Bach]

I agree the grass isn't always greener.

But - the thing about Wade is that as a HC he HAS NEVER WON in the postseason. He did get off to a great start his first year here, but the team stumbled down the stretch and then went one and done in the playoffs.

Last year we were up and down and then ended with a thud and missed the playoffs in a resounding loss.

A case can be made for some coaches but there is really NO REASON for Wade to have been brought back and certainly no reason for him to continue after this year.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree the grass isn't always greener.

But - the thing about Wade is that as a HC he HAS NEVER WON in the postseason. He did get off to a great start his first year here, but the team stumbled down the stretch and then went one and done in the playoffs.

Last year we were up and down and then ended with a thud and missed the playoffs in a resounding loss.

A case can be made for some coaches but there is really NO REASON for Wade to have been brought back and certainly no reason for him to continue after this year.

Your right if he can't get this turned around. Many HC have experiaced failure before tasting success. Some coaches who have tasted success and now failure. one coach his team is 0-4 in Jeff Fisher yet a couple of years ago many around here talked about getting him as a HC not so much today. Wade job is to help this team win this is his 3rd season and I do think he has to get us over the hump this year or he will be gone.

 

[JohnnyFlame]

This last game made me mad enough as a longtime Cowboys fan from up North to join a messageboard. However I wouldn't complain about the coaching and specifically the play calling as the main problem. It is really the same thing over and over again. The execution of that game plan is poor. From poor throws to throwing into double coverage to trying for the interception instead of breaking up the play.

I don't see any crispness in their play. Poorly run routes and poor concentration on the ball when it arrives. Not finishing tackles or not making them at all.

When I will start blaming the coaching staff and not the players is if it isn't corrected and soon.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Look, Wade has always been respected as a DC, but never as a HC.

The grass isn't always greener, but with the coaches that are out there compared to Wade, I'm sure it can be greener on the other side.

Sure, all teams have bad games. My issue with Wade is even when they Win, something is wrong with the way they played. Like Bradie said. "You just have to accept ugly wins". I accept an ugly win, but every win should not be ugly.

It's ugly because the team isn't prepared. That falls on the head coach. If a receiver isn't prepared (we've seen TONS of that lately, how many wrong routes have been run recently) then it's Sherman's fault which makes it Wade's fault for not making it clear to Sherman that it is unacceptable.

Look at Joe D. He makes it ****ing clear to the players that they will know their assignments and execute on special teams, otherwise head rolls. Now, the ST is playing great. The receivers? Not so much. Bad play by Roy Williams, Austin, and Hurd have doomed the offense several times

 

[Bach]

Your right if he can't get this turned around. Many HC have experiaced failure before tasting success. Some coaches who have tasted success and now failure. one coach his team is 0-4 in Jeff Fisher yet a couple of years ago many around here talked about getting him as a HC not so much today. Wade job is to help this team win this is his 3rd season and I do think he has to get us over the hump this year or he will be gone.

Wade has never had success as a HC - at least not in the postseason. He has almost always been a mediocre coach and that's what we see today. It's not like he didn't have a vast history prior to Jerry bringing him here. But I guess he still needed the obligatory three years to prove it again.

 

[Doomsday101]

Wade has never had success as a HC - at least not in the postseason. He has almost always been a mediocre coach and that's what we see today. It's not like he didn't have a vast history prior to Jerry bringing him here. But I guess he still needed the obligatory three years to prove it again.

Wade has taken on some crappy teams and help turn them around as well. Buffalo has not sniffed the playoffs since Phillips and it took a questionable call on the Tenn. miracle to beat them. I'm not claiming Wade as the greatest coach of all time by any means but I do think he is a good coach who is capable of getting his team to the show.

As for 3 year I would give that to any coach who was hired and at the end of 3 years depending on where the team is will determine if that coach is retained or not.

I'm clearly not a fan who believes in firing HC at the drop of a hat. If you’re not going to give the coach his opportunity and support him along the way why did you bother to hire him to begin with?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I disagree.

If Bill Parcells would have had Tony Romo for a full season, there is no question in my mind that we would've already won a Playoff Game.

Bill Parcells was great for this organization and I wish he would have stayed on for one more extra season.

Unfortunately, he had a different Quarterback each season he was here and like the old saying goes, when you got multiple Quarterbacks, then you don't have one.

Honestly, I think people underrate just how bad this organization was, on the field and in the front office.

Is there any question that we wouldn't have won a Playoff Game already if Bill Parcells started off with the 2007 team?

 

[dadymat]

i personally dont care what color the grass is as long as it doesnt make constant excuses for poor performance and stand on the side line with its face in its hands with a qtr of football left to play

 

[Hook'em#11]

Campo and Coslet and CO.

yes, the grass is dead and ******** in some other places...

 

[Ren]

we can't do much worse then Wade, good coaches matter look at SF

 

[Doomsday101]

I disagree.

If Bill Parcells would have had Tony Romo for a full season, there is no question in my mind that we would've already won a Playoff Game.

Bill Parcells was great for this organization and I wish he would have stayed on for one more extra season.

Unfortunately, he had a different Quarterback each season he was here and like the old saying goes, when you got multiple Quarterbacks, then you don't have one.

Honestly, I think people underrate just how bad this organization was, on the field and in the front office.

Is there any question that we wouldn't have won a Playoff Game already if Bill Parcells started off with the 2007 team?

No way you can prove that any more than I can prove Wade can get this turned around. I like BP but he is not the golden goose, his Miami team looks like crap this year so what happened? "he had a different Quarterback each season"? Hell he brought some of them in Vinny and Bledsoe and people moaned and complained about them as well then when he did not start Romo right away he was stubborn. Face it many were getting sick of BP as they are with Wade you don't win right away and fans complain. In the end BP was burned out which is why he took a front office job instead of looking to be a HC again.

 

[TheDude]

The grass isn't always greener, but if you are in the Sahara with no water and food, you shouldn't just sit down and die.

Even if you end up in Antarctica, you have access to fresh water

 

[Bach]

I'm clearly not a fan who believes in firing HC at the drop of a hat. If you’re not going to give the coach his opportunity and support him along the way why did you bother to hire him to begin with?

Bingo! That's the burning question.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

While I see the point of the OP, and you're right even if we got Cowher, or either of the Mikes, or Dungy, or Gruden, or whoever they're going to be blasted as not knowing what they're doing either the moment things don't just magically work right.

That said it's long over due to move beyond Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett.

 

[Bach]

While I see the point of the OP, and you're right even if we got Cowher, or either of the Mikes, or Dungy, or Gruden, or whoever they're going to be blasted as not knowing what they're doing either the moment things don't just magically work right.

Why is that, because you guys think that's what's happened in the past? You mean like with coaches such as Wade, Campo and Gailey? Gee, did it ever occur to some that maybe, just maybe these guys didn't know what they were doing and it's not just people jumping their case for no reason?

 

[Doomsday101]

Why is that, because you guys think that's what's happened in the past? You mean like with coaches such as Wade, Campo and Gailey? Gee, did it ever occur to some that maybe, just maybe these guys didn't know what they were doing and it's not just people jumping their case for no reason?

They did not know what they are doing but a fan on a message board does?

Fact is people moaned about BP as well. As soon a coach does not do what the fans own personal agenda is they lash out as if they know what the hell they are talking about. BP brings in Vinny and people whine, he brings in Bledsoe they whine they call him stubborn as soon as he does not do what they want. That is why any other coach brought will be raked over the coals if they don't win right off the bat because that coach is saddled with the we have not won a playoff game in 12 years non sense. When a coach is hired he needs to be given the oppertunity to do the job

 

[Maikeru-sama]

No way you can prove that any more than I can prove Wade can get this turned around. I like BP but he is not the golden goose, his Miami team looks like crap this year so what happened? "he had a different Quarterback each season"? Hell he brought some of them in Vinny and Bledsoe and people moaned and complained about them as well then when he did not start Romo right away he was stubborn. Face it many were getting sick of BP as they are with Wade you don't win right away and fans complain. In the end BP was burned out which is why he took a front office job instead of looking to be a HC again.

I didn't know Bill Parcells was the Head Coach of the Miami Dolphins.

Bill Parcells has had success as a Head Coach at every organization he has been with and it was only a matter of time before we got over the hump here. Heck, it took one of the biggest fluke plays in recent Playoff History to keep us from getting over the hump.

Meanwhile, Wade Phillips is 0-4 lifetime in the Playoffs and there is no sign that this trend is going to letup any time soon.

There is no question this organization was in better shape when Bill Parcells was here.

Personally, I think Bill Parcells stays a little longer if we don't acquire Terrell Owens.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

They did not know what they are doing but a fan on a message board does?

Fact is people moaned about BP as well. As soon a coach does not do what the fans own personal agenda is they lash out as if they know what the hell they are talking about. BP brings in Vinny and people whine, he brings in Bledsoe they whine they call him stubborn as soon as he does not do what they want. That is why any other coach brought will be raked over the coals if they don't win right off the bat because that coach is saddled with the we have not won a playoff game in 12 years non sense. When a coach is hired he needs to be given the oppertunity to do the job

I think you need to qualify this with "some" fans complained.

Did I like everything Bill Parcells did? Nope, but overall, I liked how he ran the organization and I knew this team was on the right track.

Like Allstate Insurance, you were in good hands with Bill Parcells and he left Wade Phillips a Lamborghini, even though he himself, started out with a Ford Granada.