The Grass isn't Always Greener (Fire the Coaches Mobb)

[Doomsday101]

I think you need to qualify this with "some" fans complained.

Did I like everything Bill Parcells did? Nope, but overall, I liked how he ran the organization and I knew this team was on the right track.

Like Allstate Insurance, you were in good hands with Bill Parcells and he left Wade Phillips a Lamborghini, even though he himself, started out with a Ford Granada.

I agree. I know we had some who liked BP including myself. As for what BP left Wade? I'll use BP own words "you are what you are" and he left a team that was 9-7. Had BP left a team that went 13-3 and Wade turns around with a 9-7 team then I would be more understanding about the view of Wade but the fact is no punches pulled BP left Dallas at 9-7 you are what you are!!!

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I agree. I know we had some who liked BP including myself. As for what BP left Wade? I'll use BP own words "you are what you are" and he left a team that was 9-7. Had BP left a team that went 13-3 and Wade turns around with a 9-7 team then I would be more understanding about the view of Wade but the fact is no punches pulled BP left Dallas at 9-7 you are what you are!!!

Yep, not too shabby with breaking in a brand new Quarterback.

 

[Doomsday]

This team has clearly regressed under Wade's guidance that is the bottom line. This is a what have you done for me sport and Wade Phillips hasnt done much of anything since arriving.

The defense still collapses when the game is on the line. We are still averaging around 20 ppg given up. Even last year while Wade is tracking sacks other teams are scoring points. What good does it do you to lead the NFL in sacks if you are still in the bottom half of the league in points allowed?

His whole mentality is soft, he lacks a killer instinct and this team has taken on his personality.

I dont think he will be fired during the season but I hope Jerry gets talks started with some other coaches so the Skins and other teams dont take our guy.

 

[Bach]

They did not know what they are doing but a fan on a message board does?

Fact is people moaned about BP as well. As soon a coach does not do what the fans own personal agenda is they lash out as if they know what the hell they are talking about. BP brings in Vinny and people whine, he brings in Bledsoe they whine they call him stubborn as soon as he does not do what they want. That is why any other coach brought will be raked over the coals if they don't win right off the bat because that coach is saddled with the we have not won a playoff game in 12 years non sense. When a coach is hired he needs to be given the oppertunity to do the job

Yeah, it's possible for even a fan to know poor coaching when he sees it. Maybe you can't, but many can.

And I don't think anyone, other than some extreme morons were calling for Parcells ouster his first couple of seasons here. I'm sure their will be some criticism or 2nd guessing over certain decisions along the way, but not every coach worth his salt is going to be blasted and wanted fired the first sign of trouble.

Someone like Wade had a long history of mediocrity prior to coming here. And after the last two years and how we finished, there was no reasonable excuse why he was brought back. Some guys with a history of success, or having taken over a losing mess will be given longer leashes. With Wade, he is what he is, and we knew it before he even came here and he is living up to his billing.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yep, not too shabby with breaking in a brand new Quarterback.

and he was 2-3 over the last 5 games with a 2 game losing streak. As I said BP is a fine coach I have no issue with him being here but the fact is this was a 9-7 team and 13-3 was not to shabby either by Wade. I don't know how many times I need to say it but here we go in my view if Wade does not get this team over the hump this year then he deserves to be canned however if he get this team righted then like any other coach he deserves to be retained.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Why is that, because you guys think that's what's happened in the past? You mean like with coaches such as Wade, Campo and Gailey? Gee, did it ever occur to some that maybe, just maybe these guys didn't know what they were doing and it's not just people jumping their case for no reason?

Because it was done to Parcells as well. People claimed he was too old. Too stubborn. Out of touch. Blah, blah, blah, blah. He wasn't the type we needed.

Now he's gone and the type we have isn't the type we need but we need one like Parcells again who, yeah, didn't know what he was doing anymore. Was out of touch. All that stuff.

It doesn't matter who they bring in here. The moment something doesn't go the way the fans think it should go they're going to blame it on the coach not being the right guy.

You watch it will happen. No matter which one we wind up with at the end of the year.

 

[Bach]

and he was 2-3 over the last 5 games with a 2 game losing streak. As I said BP is a fine coach I have no issue with him being here...

Truth be told, I've never seen you have an issue with any of our coaches being here, or front office personnel, or most players.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

and he was 2-3 over the last 5 games with a 2 game losing streak. As I said BP is a fine coach I have no issue with him being here but the fact is this was a 9-7 team and 13-3 was not to shabby either by Wade. I don't know how many times I need to say it but here we go in my view if Wade does not get this team over the hump this year then he deserves to be canned however if he get this team righted then like any other coach he deserves to be retained.

Again, Bill Parcells never had a steady Quarterback his entire time here.

Are we actually debating who is the better Head Coach out of Wade Phillips and Bill Parcells?

I would love to see a more mature Tony Romo and defense under Bill Parcells.

I think it would be different then what we are getting now.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah, it's possible for even a fan to know poor coaching when he sees it. Maybe you can't, but many can.

And I don't think anyone, other than some extreme morons were calling for Parcells ouster his first couple of seasons here. I'm sure their will be some criticism or 2nd guessing over certain decisions along the way, but not every coach worth his salt is going to be blasted and wanted fired the first sign of trouble.

Someone like Wade had a long history of mediocrity prior to coming here. And after the last two years and how we finished, there was no reasonable excuse why he was brought back. Some guys with a history of success, or having taken over a losing mess will be given longer leashes. With Wade, he is what he is, and we knew it before he even came here and he is living up to his billing.

Many run around with their own personal agenda and could not coach a little kid let alone a Pro Football team and did the same damn thing with BP. Hell I'm old enough to remember when the fans did that to Tom Landry both in the beginning and the end of his career.

Key for any coach is getting his players to buy into what they are trying to do sometimes coaches get through to the players sometimes they don't which explains why coaches will go through periods of failure.

Gruden is a guy who has been praised at times and scoffed at other times, he did not change who he was as a coach he did not get stupid overnight. Jeff Fisher the same.

What I ask of the owner when he hires a coach any coach is to give them a fair opportunity and support that coach even when the critics don't

 

[Doomsday101]

Again, Bill Parcells never had a steady Quarterback his entire time here.

Are we actually debating who is the better Head Coach out of Wade Phillips and Bill Parcells?

I would love to see a more mature Tony Romo and defense under Bill Parcells.

I think it would be different then what we are getting now.

And Wade got a QB that had half a season as a starting QB so what.

As for who the better coach is over their career BP hands down but BP burned out he was not ran out of town he no longer wanted to do the job because the tank was empty so do I think he could have done more in 2007? I highly doubt it

 

[zrinkill]

Fact is people moaned about BP as well. As soon a coach does not do what the fans own personal agenda is they lash out as if they know what the hell they are talking about.

yup

Parcells has been clueless since his first season here. And four years later we are about as fricked up as were when he showed up. And still have no QB.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1110236&postcount=3

Parcells is clueless.
This is the same guy who gave us Vinny and Drew in the first place.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1110287&postcount=2087


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Same old same old ..... no matter who is coach.

 

[zrinkill]

The original post mentioned Parcells.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The original post mentioned Parcells.

You're right. My bad. Post deleted.

Still not sure why we discuss all the hypotheticals about him. If Jerry had fired him, I could see it more. But he didn't. Parcells quit. If Bill had wanted this Lamborghini or Ferrari or Super Bowl-ready team so many claim we had, it was right there for him. For whatever reason, he didn't want it.

 

[zrinkill]

If Jerry had fired him, I could see it more. But he didn't. Parcells quit.

Yup .... and the same guys who are constantly talking about the good old days with Parcells and how Jerry is so stupid for "running him off" ..... wanted him gone when he was here.

The hypocrisy is amazing but expected from that crowd.

 

[Aikbach]

A lot of things have to go, coaches and a quarterback are the most necessary.

 

[Bach]

Same old same old ..... no matter who is coach.

I'm sure their will be some criticism or 2nd guessing over certain decisions along the way

Like I said, there will be times any of them will deserve some criticism. In regards to the old retread QB's, Parcells deserved to be criticized for that.

 

[Bach]

Yup .... and the same guys who are constantly talking about the good old days with Parcells and how Jerry is so stupid for "running him off" ..... wanted him gone when he was here.

The hypocrisy is amazing but expected from that crowd.

Parcells turned it around even though he wasn't perfect. That's the entire point. I readily admit that he's the best since Jimmy, but he was on the downside of his coaching career. To replace him with Wade, and have the final two come down to Wade and Norv was assinine.

 

[wileedog]

To replace him with Wade, and have the final two come down to Wade and Norv was assinine.

I'll cut Jerry a slight amount of slack because Parcells waffled on quitting for a while and it was late in the season to be finding a top coach. (Not that there wasn't talent available though if he was willing to take a chance on a Rex Ryan or McDaniels type.)

That being said keeping Wade after 44-6 was truly, truly assinine. Especially when some of these top name coaches started falling out of the trees at the end of last year.

 

[Bach]

I'll cut Jerry a slight amount of slack because Parcells waffled on quitting for a while and it was late in the season to be finding a top coach. (Not that there wasn't talent available though if he was willing to take a chance on a Rex Ryan or McDaniels type.)

That being said keeping Wade after 44-6 was truly, truly assinine. Especially when some of these top name coaches started falling out of the trees at the end of last year.

Parcells did leave late, but I have a feeling if Parcells had left the day after the season ended Jerry's top two choices would've still been Wade and Norv. He was going to go after someone who already had HC experience, no matter how mediocre or bad they were.

And I totally agree that even with him hiring Wade, there was ZERO reason to keep him after last season's debacle.

 

[kramskoi]

I'm not disagreeing with you guys. This is my issue. I stay on the pulse of what Boys fans are thinking (as most of us do). Do you guys remember 2006? Parcells is about as hard nosed, knowledgeable, experienced, motivated and detailed as they come. Guess what? We had simular losses under him. In fact we only even made the playoffs 2 of his 4 years. We had STUPID penalties, dumb turnovers and questionable play calls (even when Sean Peyton and Maurice Carthon were running the offense). You know what I heard then? "The game has passed Parcells by." "He's is losing the locker room"... "His methods are outdated".. "He's Stubborn.. boring.. old... " etc.....

My thing is who's to say Shanny or Cower wouldn't get the same treatment after a tough loss? I have a lot of respect for Shanny but what has he done save for a couple of years with a HOF legend QB and a borderline HOF running back (TD)? He was not so "hot" last year in Denver and I'm sure the Denv fans had mixed opinions of him LAST YEAR.

Don't get me wrong, I have my issues with Wade as well. I've just seen the Cowboys look sloppy and lose tough games under Jimmy also. Jimmy also flopped in Miami. At some point you need internal leadership and accountability amongst the PLAYERS as well. Know your assignments, execute, TACKLE, BLOCK, PROTECT THE BALL!!!! Who will lead? Who has the killer instinct? Who will step up and make a play? I honestly believe that players make a coach look good moreso than the other way around. We lost to a very good team (#1 defense in the league), in a historically tough place to play. Isht happens. Maybe Wade/Garrett is not the ultimate answer. I just think we can also perform better. Not ready to fire everyone after last play losses to NYG and at Denv.. but I understand how ya'll feel.

...you're comparing apples with oranges...Johnson had back to back championships and a team that destroyed all others in the playoffs...in the playoffs it was never a question if they'd win...only how they'd win...there was a confidence about the team that pervaded the entire fanbase...a winning attitude, a standard of excellence, a good measure of pride...this team is more than a stone's throw from that...it ain't even close...when Dallas needed to turn it on under Johnson, they did...

...Dallas is 2-2 right now and the 93 superbowl team finished 11-5 after the brutal win at the Meadowlands to close out the season...think the current Cowboys are capable of that feat with road trips to Philadelphia, New York,
Green Bay, New Orleans and Washington? I would'nt bet the house on it.

...what's happening is your opinion is evolving while ignoring the reality of just what the Cowboys are currently...a ship without a sail...they had no business losing to Denver...it's one thing to get beat, it's another thing to beat yourself...

...personally i'd take Cowher over everyone but Dungy...even though it's likely a pipedream...