The Great Debate: Romo Vs Manning

[UVAwahoos]

Manning got saved by the Tyree catch and a great defensive gameplan in the Super Bowl and the playoffs. Even when they beat us, I definitely wasn't thinking..."wow, Eli just lit us up". I will admit he played well in our first meeting when both of our teams scored over 30 but Eli definitely was not dominant in any of the playoff games. I think an opponents game plan vs. Romo and Eli tells the whole story. Any defensive coordinator would gamble more on Eli by sending different blitzes at him and making him beat their team with the pass. Teams would be crazy to consistently do that versus Romo. That pretty much sums it up.

 

[cowboyuptx]

IMO, it's very close.

Eli does have the ring, but then again, so do Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer...

Romo has way more play making ability, but he's also more likely to take chances that get could get him into trouble...

I've seen Eli play enough to know that he's one of the better QB's in the league (not top 5), he really can make all the throws... He threw a couple passes against us this year that made me say wow... Then again, Romo can also make all the throws, and he can do it on the run...

It's close because Eli did improve last year, and it's hard to knock a guy who quarter-backed a team that beat the "unbeatable" Patriots, but I'd give Romo the edge based on his "moxie", pocket presence and elusiveness...

That's all I have to say about that... Thank you.

 

[the kid 05]

Thanks for the nice welcome, glad to be a member! This forum seems to have a lot of educated posters (and not a bunch of little kids screaming obscenities at each other!) I love it!

you got something against kids? Welcome, cant wait to hear more from you

 

[AbeBeta]

As has been pointed out it was in his 3rd year as a starter that Manning won a playoff game. And no one with a brain can say he carried the team at any time last year. He managed the game; he cut down on mistakes. Just like Dilfer and Johnson did in their SB wins. No way does it make him better then Romo.

No, but it does make him a hell of a lot more successful than Romo.

 

[zrinkill]

If I agree with zrinkill then the argument is pretty much over.

Or the apocalypse is near.

:laugh2:

 

[AbeBeta]

Eli does have the ring, but then again, so do Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer...

Johnson had a passer rating of 79.9 in the playoffs the year he won the SB. (About 33 attempts per game)

Dilfer had a PR of 83.7 - he only threw 18 passes a game.

Manning, as i pointed out earlier in the thread had a 95.8 PR. Throwing about 30 passes a game.

Whereas you could say that Dilfer was protected (i.e., didn't throw the ball), you can't say that about Johnson or Manning.

Manning clearly performed at a level far better than both these guys in the playoffs. PRs in the high 90s represent outstanding performances.

Again, I'd take Romo any day. But if folks want to stick their heads in the sand and continue to think that Manning sucks they may be in for a big surprise next year.

 

[zrinkill]

Let me clarify my take on this.


I think Elli is a goofball ..... I think he has gotten by the last few years on his last name.

But ...... the kid was able to win a Superbowl ..... in his 3rd year in the league ..... at 27 years of age.

He showed (in my opinion) leadership, guts, and composure in the Superbowl.

I would not trade Romo for Eli ...... not even close ...... because I think Romo has a higher ceiling and all those same qualities.

but right now we just "think" Romo can do it ..... he has not proven it yet (though I of course believe he will)

As far as the Eli or Kelly question ..... though I think Kelly was the better QB ...... if you gave me a good team and I had to choose one of them to lead that team in a Superbowl I would pick Eli.

Because I think Kelly would just choke again ....... and I "know" Marino would.

Sorry if this opinion offends anyone ...... but I am a "go with who has already proven it" kinda guy.

(unless the guy is 40 years old ..... which is why the Brad Johnson question is so stupid.)

 

[AbeBeta]

Manning got saved by the Tyree catch

Quick -- name a winning QB who didn't get lucky on a play or two.....

 

[Doomsday101]

Johnson had a passer rating of 79.9 in the playoffs the year he won the SB. (About 33 attempts per game)

Dilfer had a PR of 83.7 - he only threw 18 passes a game.

Manning, as i pointed out earlier in the thread had a 95.8 PR. Throwing about 30 passes a game.

Whereas you could say that Dilfer was protected (i.e., didn't throw the ball), you can't say that about Johnson or Manning.

Manning clearly performed at a level far better than both these guys in the playoffs. PRs in the high 90s represent outstanding performances.

Again, I'd take Romo any day. But if folks want to stick their heads in the sand and continue to think that Manning sucks they may be in for a big surprise next year.

I agree. I think Manning is a good QB and he was able to avoid the mistake that hurt him during the regular season such as the ints. He was more willing to take what the defense gave him in the playoffs and did not force too many balls into bad situations. I would not consider Manning a great QB at this stage and really interested to see how he comes out this season and if he can continue to take what the defense gives and avoid forcing passes. Bottom line he faced 4 quality teams in the playoffs and SB and made very few mistakes to help his team win.

 

[Idgit]

Let me clarify my take on this.


I think Elli is a goofball ..... I think he has gotten by the last few years on his last name.

But ...... the kid was able to win a Superbowl ..... in his 3rd year in the league ..... at 27 years of age.

He showed (in my opinion) leadership, guts, and composure in the Superbowl.

I would not trade Romo for Eli ...... not even close ...... because I think Romo has a higher ceiling and all those same qualities.

but right now we just "think" Romo can do it ..... he has not proven it yet (though I of course believe he will)

As far as the Eli or Kelly question ..... though I think Kelly was the better QB ...... if you gave me a good team and I had to choose one of them to lead that team in a Superbowl I would pick Eli.

Because I think Kelly would just choke again ....... and I "know" Marino would.

Sorry if this opinion offends anyone ...... but I am a "go with who has already proven it" kinda guy.

(unless the guy is 40 years old ..... which is why the Brad Johnson question is so stupid.)

Brad Johnson can't beat out Tony Romo, so that settles that question. Plus he's 40.

But do you really have doubt that the NYFG would be a better team, or would have been last year, with Tony Romo at QB? If both players were FA today, there's no doubt in my mind which one would get the better offer. I don't think there's any doubt which player is better.

Wasn't David Tyree's job reported in danger this offseason? He had a pretty gutsy Superbowl game, too.

 

[khiladi]

Because I think Kelly would just choke again ....... and I "know" Marino would.

Sorry if this opinion offends anyone ...... but I am a "go with who has already proven it" kinda guy.

(unless the guy is 40 years old ..... which is why the Brad Johnson question is so stupid.)

Kelly choked, or Kelly played against teams that were just too dominant defensively? The Cowboys and Commanders were way better than the Bills in every category in those games. The AFC was weak then. In the first Superbowl, it was Norwood that choked.

 

[DallasDomination]

Rings are a team accomplishment. The Giants got it together at the right time and the teams they played against, lets be honest played below average. And I dont think besides the NE game that the giants really played better then Dallas or the PAck. We just pretty much gave them the free pass by stupid mistakes and bad field position.


Look Eli is above average I think, but his potential is not even close to being as good as Romos. Romo is a Playmaker, Eli does just enough not to lose ( 10-6)

Dont be surprised to see Eli go for 20 Td's and 20 INts again like he has the last couple of years.

Lets not overblow their talent and their QB....remember the bears made the Sb the year before with Grossman at QB.

 

[Tovya]

Lets not overblow their talent and their QB....remember the bears made the Sb the year before with Grossman at QB.

That is a fantastic point...

And Eli is not the cornerstone of the Giants, he's simply a small part of their success...

The Giants SB win was all about their ravaging defense.

Eli has the raw physical talent to be real good, but it's simply the question if his SB win helped him mentally mature and instill confidence in him...

If he blows the first 4 to 5 weeks this coming season, the Giants fans will forget all about his ring and we'll be screaming for his head on a platter. That's just NYC for you.

 

[AbeBeta]

Lets not overblow their talent and their QB....remember the bears made the Sb the year before with Grossman at QB.

Johnson had a passer rating of 79.9 in the playoffs the year he won the SB.

Dilfer had a playoff PR of 83.7 the year he won the SB

Grossman had a playoff PR of 73.2 the year the Bears went to the SB.

Manning, had a 95.8 PR in the playoffs last year.

Folks, you can keep throwing out the "but so and so went to the SB" lines but Manning clearly outperformed those guys. You can continue to lump him in with the Johnsons, the Dilfers, and even the Grossmans. But know that you'll be doing so with no support for such reasoning.

 

[khiladi]

Johnson had a passer rating of 79.9 in the playoffs the year he won the SB.

Dilfer had a playoff PR of 83.7 the year he won the SB

Grossman had a playoff PR of 73.2 the year the Bears went to the SB.

Manning, had a 95.8 PR in the playoffs last year.

Folks, you can keep throwing out the "but so and so went to the SB" lines but Manning clearly outperformed those guys. You can continue to lump him in with the Johnsons, the Dilfers, and even the Grossmans. But know that you'll be doing so with no support for such reasoning.

Manning, in the play-offs in 2008 , threw for 185 yards, 163 yards, 254 yards and 255 yards in the play-offs. When he threw for 254 yards and 255 yards, he had around a 53 percent completion average. And he threw for 40 times in one of those games. His ratings in those games were 72.3 and 87.3.

His play-off ratings were skewed by his first two games, when he threw plenty of check-downs and threw very little. He had a 117 and 132 PR in those games. The Dallas game, he had only two worthy drives, and one of those drives, 40 of those yards came on a busted play by Henry.

When the ball is in Mannings hand, and he is forced to make a play, he is just where the other QBs are at. He had a sure interception dorpped by Samuels on the last drive and a spectacular catch by Tyree to jump his numbers up in the last game, otherwise his numbers would have been a lot worse.

The fact that there is even a debate about Romo and Eli is absurd. Individually, if it weren't for Brady having an all-world year, Romo would look even more impressive. Romo's play was almost unprecedented statistically and ranks up there with the greats in his first full season.

 

[Tovya]

The fact that there is even a debate about Romo and Eli is absurd. Individually, if it weren't for Brady having an all-world year, Romo would look even more impressive. Romo's play was almost unprecedented statistically and ranks up there with the greats in his first full season.

No doubt. The superbowl doesn't define the quarterback, it defines the team. Look no further than Marino for the proof.

He is no doubt one of the all time greats and never got his ring... his fault? Not his alone.. Superbowls are a team effort, and the greatest QB in the world who is surrounded by underachievers or poor talent won't get a ring anyway.

 

[AbeBeta]

Manning, in the play-offs in 2008 , threw for 185 yards, 163 yards, 254 yards and 255 yards in the play-offs. When he threw for 254 yards and 255 yards, he had around a 53 percent completion average. And he threw for 40 times in one of those games. His ratings in those games were 72.3 and 87.3.

His play-off ratings were skewed by his first two games, when he threw plenty of check-downs and threw very little. He had a 117 and 132 PR in those games. The Dallas game, he had only two worthy drives, and one of those drives, 40 of those yards came on a busted play by Henry.

If you want to argue that his ratings were "skewed" you could also look to the GB game where he played in -23 degree (with wind chill) weather.

You simply cannot argue "skew" if the two games that skewed his ratings were the ones where threw the fewest passes. He threw 38% of his passes in those games so those really don't "skew" the result as much as you suggest.

Also, you can argue that choosing to throw a check down is a good decision. In fact, I recall after the Buffalo game that folks here were screaming about how Romo needed to learn to throw... checkdowns.

Every QB gets busted plays in their favor. That argument doesn't mean much to me.

 

[khiladi]

Let's just agree to disagree....

 

[Tovya]

I think what shocked me more than Giants making it to and winning the SB is that I went from lifelong Giants hater to single-season playoff fan in the blink of an eye...

It's the first time in my life that I hated an AFC team enough to root for one my most hated NFC East rivals.

My wife (who is no football fan I might add) was even shocked. When Eli ran that final drive I was going nuts! And she exclaimed, "wait a minute, I thought you hated the Giants?"

And I said, "I do honey, I really do... but I hate the Patriots even more".

So, even though my support of the Giants lasted a mere game, it did bring me to respect Eli a lot just to see Brady and company get their hopes and dreams shattered.

 

[khiladi]

I think what shocked me more than Giants making it to and winning the SB is that I went from lifelong Giants hater to single-season playoff fan in the blink of an eye...

It's the first time in my life that I hated an AFC team enough to root for one my most hated NFC East rivals.

My wife (who is no football fan I might add) was even shocked. When Eli ran that final drive I was going nuts! And she exclaimed, "wait a minute, I thought you hated the Giants?"

And I said, "I do honey, I really do... but I hate the Patriots even more".

So, even though my support of the Giants lasted a mere game, it did bring me to respect Eli a lot just to see Brady and company get their hopes and dreams shattered.

I don't hate Eli after that game either, but the fact is, Eli's play wasn't something to marvel at in the play-offs.

The reality though is, it is only Super Bowl wins that ultimately matter, and no taste can come close to it. Romo can have individual achievements, but if he doesn't win the Super Bowl, Manning and other average QBs like Dilfer will have what he can never taste and it will probably leave a bad taste in his mouth for a long time.