The Hatred Mock, Version 5.0

[TheCount]

Cason is a great return man.

There's a RB I think we're looking at as a UDFA, and as I said a few weeks ago, they really like Alonzo Coleman from Hampton who was on the PS last year.

Hardy reminds me more of Plaxico because of his rangy style of running and size.

I could easily see us taking a 2nd CB in round 2 and grabbing someone like Steve Slaton in round 3.

I'm starting to think more and more Jerry won't spend a high pick on a RB either. Especially after seeing the success teams like the Giants had just plugging guys in. For a change, maybe we'll draft secondary players high and get a back in the 7th.

 

[dogberry]

Mm85 how does Alan Ball compare to Wheatley, Molden, and Williams?

Thanks, Kent

 

[masomenos]

The way I see Talib is that he's a player who is willing to give up a few short passes in order to get his chance at making a big play later on.This does lead to an increase in the amount of passes completed against him, but the average length of pass completed against him is a lot shorter than guys like Jenkins, McKelvin and Porter.There's no question that Aqib Talib is a gambler at times but he makes a huge amount of plays on the ball, I mean he's had 35 deflections and 11 INTs in the past two years. He has been thrown at a lot, but even if you take an average of being thrown at 90 times over the past two years he still has a terrific Plays on Ball Percentage of 25.5. I think he answered questions about his quickness with really good times at the combine. He certainly was able to handle the ultra quick Eddie Royal in Kansas' bowl game, not allowing a single catch to Mr. Royal. He also only allowed 1 TD all season. To me, Talib has all the tools needed to be a good CB in the NFL. I don't think he'll ever be a Terrence Newman type of guy, but I do think he could be a more athletic version of Anthony Henry in a few years; a guy who likes to keep the play in front of him and will give up some catches as a result, but also someone who's willing to tackle in run support, has a penchant for making plays on the ball and has solid hands for the INT.

Cason is another guy who makes TONS of plays on the ball, actually more than Talib does by a small margin. He's certainly the more polished of the two players and was the more productive in college. I have no idea why he's been dropping though, it really makes no sense at all to me. He's an intelligent, athletic player who will really be able to help out whatever team he's chosen by. Again, with Cason I don't think you get a Newman type of player but he's a guy who should have a lot of success in this league. I won't try to sell you on him at all because it seems you already like him.

For what it's worth, I think Jenkins will be a huge bust and I think McKelvin is very raw and will take a while to contribute, but does have the talent to possibly make an impact down the road. I really hope they both get taken before our pick.

 

[masomenos]

Mm85 how does Alan Ball compare to Wheatley, Molden, and Williams?

Thanks, Kent

That's a good question and something I hadn't looked into before you asked. If Ball were in this years draft I would place him behind Wheatley by a fair margin, tied with or slightly ahead of Molden, and ahead of Williams. Of those four Wheatley was by far the most productive in college and is the best athlete of them. Ball had a Plays on Ball percentage of around 18.6% which is really a pretty good score and ranks above Molden and Williams in that regard but I see Molden and Williams both have more explosiveness when coming forward and attacking the ball.

It's easy to see why Dallas seems fairly high on Ball and I think he could be a very fine sub package CB for us. Of course I don't know how he's handling the transition to the NFL but I don't think it would be out of the question to see him contributing heavily as the Nickel or Dime CB, depending on what we do in the draft. Looking back at how I would have rated him last year gives me a lot more confidence if we end up only drafting one CB. Later in the draft I would still take Wheatley just because I see him as having the potential to be a really terrific player in the league but I'd be less inclined to take a CB in the 4th or 5th because of what we have in Ball. I would be more ok with retaining Oglesby as the 5th CB or waiting until the 6th or 7th before drafting another CB.

Hope that helps!

 

[dbair1967]

1a. Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona, 6'0", 190. I believe there will be a run on CBs with 3 going before we pick at 22. I believe Cason is the most under rated of all the 1st round prospects. Look up his stats. He simply shines. He is the strongest of the candidates too, having done 20 reps.

I really dont think Cason is going in the first rd...I'd take him somewhere in the 2nd and honestly wont be shocked if he is there with our own 2nd rd pick...other than McKelvin and DRC, I wouldnt use this pick on a CB and I think both will be gone before then

1b. James Hardy, WR, Indiana, 6'6", 220. I still believe this pick and Akin Ayodele are on their way to Detroit for Roy Williams. If that trade doesn't happen this is the guy I hope we pick at WR. I believe he has the intangibles to be the most dangerous of the group.

I'd prefer the trade for RW over any WR...as for Hardy, he kinda scares me a little with some of the baggage as well as comments that he really struggled against the better Big 10 CB's

2. Ray Rice, RB, Rutgers, 5'9" 195. A run on RBs at the top of the 2nd round still leaves us a quality option. A tribute to the depth available at this position in this draft. There's also a chance we pass on RB on day 1 and hope to grab Steve Slaton of West Virginia or Steve Smith of Central Florida on day 2.

agree with those comments, though I like some other RB's alot more than Slaton or Smith...Rice in this spot would be a good pick IMO

3. Heath Benedict, OG, Newberry, 6'5", 321. Quite possibly my favorite sleeper pick in the Draft. A player I truly hope we acquire.

I dont have much opinion on him yet so cant comment

4. Trae Williams, CB, South Florida, 5'9", 193. Simply put, we're allowing three 2007 roster spots to leave via Free Agency, this Draft is deep at CB, and we might as well take advantage of this opportunity.

I think its a safe bet we have two CB's in this draft

5. Owen Schmitt, FB, West Virginia, 6'2" 247. I'm a broken record, but I love the idea of him opening holes for Barber.

like him too, only concern is how he will transition to a prostyle offense...not many (if any) offensive skill guys seem to develop after coming out of that scheme

6. Kevin O'Connell, QB, San Diego State, 6'5", 225. I like the idea of drafting a QB every year. If they develop before your starter is ready to exit stage left, they net you a lot in a trade. This kid is rising after the Combines and my be gone, but for now he's rated 6th round and we have the first pick of the 6th.

I think we're taking a QB too

7. Spencer Larsen, ILB, Arizona, 6'2", 243. I still love him even if he ran a 4.9 at the Combines. He's a Zach Thomas clone and would feed off Zach.

I think he's a 2nd day prospect too, but you think he lasts till the 7th where we are? ILB in this draft is pretty poor, and he's one of the more highly productive ones


David

 

[Hostile]

The way I see Talib is that he's a player who is willing to give up a few short passes in order to get his chance at making a big play later on.This does lead to an increase in the amount of passes completed against him, but the average length of pass completed against him is a lot shorter than guys like Jenkins, McKelvin and Porter.There's no question that Aqib Talib is a gambler at times but he makes a huge amount of plays on the ball, I mean he's had 35 deflections and 11 INTs in the past two years. He has been thrown at a lot, but even if you take an average of being thrown at 90 times over the past two years he still has a terrific Plays on Ball Percentage of 25.5. I think he answered questions about his quickness with really good times at the combine. He certainly was able to handle the ultra quick Eddie Royal in Kansas' bowl game, not allowing a single catch to Mr. Royal. He also only allowed 1 TD all season. To me, Talib has all the tools needed to be a good CB in the NFL. I don't think he'll ever be a Terrence Newman type of guy, but I do think he could be a more athletic version of Anthony Henry in a few years; a guy who likes to keep the play in front of him and will give up some catches as a result, but also someone who's willing to tackle in run support, has a penchant for making plays on the ball and has solid hands for the INT.

Cason is another guy who makes TONS of plays on the ball, actually more than Talib does by a small margin. He's certainly the more polished of the two players and was the more productive in college. I have no idea why he's been dropping though, it really makes no sense at all to me. He's an intelligent, athletic player who will really be able to help out whatever team he's chosen by. Again, with Cason I don't think you get a Newman type of player but he's a guy who should have a lot of success in this league. I won't try to sell you on him at all because it seems you already like him.

For what it's worth, I think Jenkins will be a huge bust and I think McKelvin is very raw and will take a while to contribute, but does have the talent to possibly make an impact down the road. I really hope they both get taken before our pick.

I just told another poster that I think Cason reminds me of Everson Walls as far as his instincts for the ball, but he's faster than Walls ever was. I think he's better than Chris McAllister, another AZ Wildcat at this same point. Meaning when both are coming out of college. I feel he will be the best CB in this Draft when all is said and done.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I like your first two picks but then Ray Rice shows up and its like this guy will bust and i don't want him to have anything to do with the cowboys organization when he does. I don't mind the OL depth at the position is always good. Another CB is a good pick and the Fullback you like Schmitt i prefer hillis but we still think on the same level. Third string QB thats cool and the ILB i don't mind that either since i think Akin and Carp are done here. I like your draft excluding the Ray Rice pick.

 

[TheCount]

I like your first two picks but then Ray Rice shows up and its like this guy will bust and i don't want him to have anything to do with the cowboys organization when he does. I don't mind the OL depth at the position is always good. Another CB is a good pick and the Fullback you like Schmitt i prefer hillis but we still think on the same level. Third string QB thats cool and the ILB i don't mind that either since i think Akin and Carp are done here. I like your draft excluding the Ray Rice pick.

So Ray Rice is apparently already a likely bust, but Chris Johnson is headed for the hall of fame?

At least let's try to be a little bit objective here.

 

[masomenos]

I just told another poster that I think Cason reminds me of Everson Walls as far as his instincts for the ball, but he's faster than Walls ever was. I think he's better than Chris McAllister, another AZ Wildcat at this same point. Meaning when both are coming out of college. I feel he will be the best CB in this Draft when all is said and done.

I'd say that you have pretty good odds on that bet.

 

[IndianaCowboyFan]

I just told another poster that I think Cason reminds me of Everson Walls as far as his instincts for the ball, but he's faster than Walls ever was. I think he's better than Chris McAllister, another AZ Wildcat at this same point. Meaning when both are coming out of college. I feel he will be the best CB in this Draft when all is said and done.

If he is an Everson Walls clone I would be thrilled for Dallas to get him. That is pretty high praise.

 

[L-O-Jete]

I just told another poster that I think Cason reminds me of Everson Walls as far as his instincts for the ball, but he's faster than Walls ever was. I think he's better than Chris McAllister, another AZ Wildcat at this same point. Meaning when both are coming out of college. I feel he will be the best CB in this Draft when all is said and done.

If that is the case I want to draft another returner, because he will be starting and it will be the TNew situation allover again...

 

[dogberry]

Maso thank you.

I saw the youtube of Nelson's TD on Talib and jumped to a conclusion. I should be more careful, but probably won't.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

So Ray Rice is apparently already a likely bust, but Chris Johnson is headed for the hall of fame?

At least let's try to be a little bit objective here.

never said he was going to the HoF nor do i compare him to the best RB ever

 

[TheCount]

never said he was going to the HoF nor do i compare him to the best RB ever

No, you didn't. But for you to say he sucks and he's going to bust, and in the same breath declare Chris Johnson should be a first round pick is ridiculous.

I mean your reasoning for disliking Chris is even ridiculous, he was a workhorse in college? That's a bad thing now? His team relied on him game in and game out, and somehow that equates to him having a higher than average chance to bust?

 

[DaBoys4Life]

No, you didn't. But for you to say he sucks and he's going to bust, and in the same breath declare Chris Johnson should be a first round pick is ridiculous.

I mean your reasoning for disliking Chris is even ridiculous, he was a workhorse in college? That's a bad thing now? His team relied on him game in and game out, and somehow that equates to him having a higher than average chance to bust?

Ray lets see 380 carries last year. The RB position is a position that wears and tears on you 380 touches is a lot and the chance of injuries increase and what have you and the backs start to break down. I really don't want to take a chance on Rice having injuries problems as so as the season starts. He left rutgers early for 2 reason one to be in the nfl obv two he couldn't keep up with the load they were giving him. Rutger leaned on him way to hard the ray rice in the nfl isn't goin to be the same ray rice before the 700 carries the past 2 season. Also i don't think he was that good of a RB to begin thats why i think he will bust just a lot hype is around him.

whats so ridiculous about CJ being a 1st round pick ?

 

[L-O-Jete]

Ray lets see 380 carries last year. The RB position is a position that wears and tears on you 380 touches is a lot and the chance of injuries increase and what have you and the backs start to break down. I really don't want to take a chance on Rice having injuries problems as so as the season starts. He left rutgers early for 2 reason one to be in the nfl obv two he couldn't keep up with the load they were giving him. Rutger leaned on him way to hard the ray rice in the nfl isn't goin to be the same ray rice before the 700 carries the past 2 season. Also i don't think he was that good of a RB to begin thats why i think he will bust just a lot hype is around him.

whats so ridiculous about CJ being a 1st round pick ?

Though he did get a big load I think he can get through his rookie contract, I probably wouldn't want him in the books when he turns 30.

 

[TheCount]

Ray lets see 380 carries last year. The RB position is a position that wears and tears on you 380 touches is a lot and the chance of injuries increase and what have you and the backs start to break down. I really don't want to take a chance on Rice having injuries problems as so as the season starts. He left rutgers early for 2 reason one to be in the nfl obv two he couldn't keep up with the load they were giving him. Rutger leaned on him way to hard the ray rice in the nfl isn't goin to be the same ray rice before the 700 carries the past 2 season. Also i don't think he was that good of a RB to begin thats why i think he will bust just a lot hype is around him.

whats so ridiculous about CJ being a 1st round pick ?

So, because he stayed healthy enough to carry the ball 380 times, he's bound to get hurt splitting time with Barber in Dallas? He probably wouldn't get more than

.... WHAT??

Considering Rice finished the season as strong as he started it, I don't think he has anything to worry about. You act like the kid is an 8 year NFL vet.

 

[Sasquatch]

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I'm bored so I decided to enjoy another Mock.

1a. Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona, 6'0", 190. I believe there will be a run on CBs with 3 going before we pick at 22. I believe Cason is the most under rated of all the 1st round prospects. Look up his stats. He simply shines. He is the strongest of the candidates too, having done 20 reps.

1b. James Hardy, WR, Indiana, 6'6", 220. I still believe this pick and Akin Ayodele are on their way to Detroit for Roy Williams. If that trade doesn't happen this is the guy I hope we pick at WR. I believe he has the intangibles to be the most dangerous of the group.

2. Ray Rice, RB, Rutgers, 5'9" 195. A run on RBs at the top of the 2nd round still leaves us a quality option. A tribute to the depth available at this position in this draft. There's also a chance we pass on RB on day 1 and hope to grab Steve Slaton of West Virginia or Steve Smith of Central Florida on day 2.

3. Heath Benedict, OG, Newberry, 6'5", 321. Quite possibly my favorite sleeper pick in the Draft. A player I truly hope we acquire.

4. Trae Williams, CB, South Florida, 5'9", 193. Simply put, we're allowing three 2007 roster spots to leave via Free Agency, this Draft is deep at CB, and we might as well take advantage of this opportunity.

5. Owen Schmitt, FB, West Virginia, 6'2" 247. I'm a broken record, but I love the idea of him opening holes for Barber.

6. Kevin O'Connell, QB, San Diego State, 6'5", 225. I like the idea of drafting a QB every year. If they develop before your starter is ready to exit stage left, they net you a lot in a trade. This kid is rising after the Combines and my be gone, but for now he's rated 6th round and we have the first pick of the 6th.

7. Spencer Larsen, ILB, Arizona, 6'2", 243. I still love him even if he ran a 4.9 at the Combines. He's a Zach Thomas clone and would feed off Zach.

I welcome your input. I feel your hatred. Give in to your hate. Have fun.

Glad to see you haven't given up on Cason. Personally, I love his skill set and attitude. I would be overjoyed to see him wearing the star.

A few questions:

Hardy -- Do you have concerns about Hardy's temperament? What about reports that he fared poorly against top corners?

Larsen -- Can he cover?

Do you think Raitliff is moving to DE? If so, does that mean we need a DT?

I think we will take a linebacker in the draft but can't decide if it will be inside or outside. Why did you go with inside?

Good mock.

 

[Hostile]

Glad to see you haven't given up on Cason. Personally, I love his skill set and attitude. I would be overjoyed to see him wearing the star.

A few questions:

Hardy -- Do you have concerns about Hardy's temperament? What about reports that he fared poorly against top corners?

Larsen -- Can he cover?

Do you think Raitliff is moving to DE? If so, does that mean we need a DT?

I think we will take a linebacker in the draft but can't decide if it will be inside or outside. Why did you go with inside?

Good mock.

Larsen does well covering TEs, but would struggle against a WR on a switch. I went ILB simply because my last Mock had too many small school projects, and my OLB man crush is on Curtis Johnson from Clark Atlanta. Since I kept Heath Benedict I dropped Curtis.

I think Ratliff stays at NT unless we get an absolute stud NT to drop into our laps. I'd like to see him back at DE, and Spears moved to NT because I think his strength is stopping the run, but I doubt it will happen.

The things I like about Hardy are his size and athletic skillset. I think his struggles agaisnt top CBs is more on the shoulders of his QB who was not very good at all. I think the QB panics more than hardy panics, but we won't really know until he has to face NFL CBs. he is a matchup problem for any team if he works hard and develops. Similar to Plaxico in that regard.

I will probably do at least 1 more Mock before the Draft, and my plan is to wait on RB and see how it looks.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

Ray lets see 380 carries last year. The RB position is a position that wears and tears on you 380 touches is a lot and the chance of injuries increase and what have you and the backs start to break down.

If he's in year 7 of the NFL, sure, but whne you're young, those lots of carries in college really doesn't or isn't gonna affect him in the NFL and has NOTHING to do with chance of injuries, cause if I recall, guys like Walter Payton and Emmitt Smith were WORKHORSES for a TON OF YEARS in the NFL and were barely if at all injured.

I really don't want to take a chance on Rice having injuries problems as so as the season starts.

Funniest thing I ever read in my life, because he had a lot of carries the last two years he now has a better chance of being injured as the season starts?
If anything, his body is used to the wear and tear and will probably help him.

He left rutgers early for 2 reason one to be in the nfl obv two he couldn't keep up with the load they were giving him.

ROTFlmao!
Just when I thought I just got done reading the funniest thing I ever read above, you come up with this gem.

Rutger leaned on him way to hard the ray rice in the nfl isn't goin to be the same ray rice before the 700 carries the past 2 season.

Yeah sure, I heard that about workhorse R.B.'s who are in their very early 20's.

Also i don't think he was that good of a RB to begin thats why i think he will bust just a lot hype is around him.

FINALLY an actual LOGICAL reason to why you think he'll be a bust and not just made up ASSUMPTIONS!

whats so ridiculous about CJ being a 1st round pick ?

He said it was the COMBINATION of you saying Rice will be a bust and CJ should be a 1st rounder.
Oh, I love how you came to the conclusion Rice will be affected by all his carries in college for wear and tear, yet have NO PROBLEM with CJ who has more wear and tear since he had all the all purpose yards on top of just rushing. :laugh2: