The HC Job Is All About Romo

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Since that day that Troy went down we have been in a futile search for the next franchise QB and with it all those years of losing has made JJ think that i have to have a franchise QB and therefore is putting all his eggs in one basket in believing that Norv and Jason can develope Tony into just that, because without there help does Romo ever take it to the next lvl?? 10 games started one would have to think no without the proper guidance.So when we look at who the next HC will be Romo is the biggest factor in the whole equation. We have nothing after Romo, so i would be in the best interest of this team to develope this kid the rest of the way. Cause one constant since Campo was coach till week 6 when Bill was here was the QB position was god right terrible, and if we dont finish the developement of Romo this franchise is done for a long time.
 

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Hiring a HC to mentor your QB (who btw, when the defense was working was already playing at a top level) is borderline ********.

That's why they have these things called OCs and QB coaches.
 

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wileedog;1346021 said:
Hiring a HC to mentor your QB (who btw, when the defense was working was already playing at a top level) is borderline ********.

That's why they have these things called OCs and QB coaches.

exactly, and that's part of the reason Garrett was brought in too
 

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finally somebody who gets it. This is about Tony Romo and his development. Janson and Norv contribution to his development will be immeasurable.

The defense has been hand feed 1st round picks one after the other. Next they will want the defense coaches to do the tackling for them.
 

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wileedog;1346021 said:
Hiring a HC to mentor your QB (who btw, when the defense was working was already playing at a top level) is borderline ********.

That's why they have these things called OCs and QB coaches.

You're on the money.
If the defense played well, I'll bet you Romo cuts his INT's almost in half last year. Many of his problems stemmed from trying to do too much to make up for his defense's abysmal collapse down the stretch.

Now we are hiring not one, but two coaches to help him along? Hello......Jerry....it was the defense that needed the help...not Tony Romo.
 

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Wood;1346037 said:
finally somebody who gets it. This is about Tony Romo and his development. Janson and Norv contribution to his development will be immeasurable.
Its his 5th year in the league. He was a top 4 QB for 6 games until the bottom dropped out on the defense and he was asked to do too much.

How much more do you expect him to develop? And why are not one but TWO coaches, in the top two spots no less, necessary to further that development?

The defense has been hand feed 1st round picks one after the other. Next they will want the defense coaches to do the tackling for them.

So the answer is ignore them and hope they get better by themselves?

Maybe Romo can go out and tackle for them.
 

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Norv has dual purpose.

1. Help the development of Tony Romo.

2. Give guidance for Jason Garrett so that he will be better prepared to take over the Head-coaching duties.

Also, Norv has mentioned that he has some ideas on defense to help fix that defense (he didnt elaborate).

Show me another HC cadidate that is willing to do all of that for the short-term.
 

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Wood;1346062 said:
Norv has dual purpose.

1. Help the development of Tony Romo.

2. Give guidance for Jason Garrett so that he will be better prepared to take over the Head-coaching duties.

Also, Norv has mentioned that he has some ideas on defense to help fix that defense (he didnt elaborate).

Show me another HC cadidate that is willing to do all of that for the short-term.

God help us if Norv Turner should be the one to teach Jason Garrett how to become a HC
 

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Wood;1346062 said:
Norv has dual purpose.

1. Help the development of Tony Romo.
Again, hiring a HC to develop a QB is inane.

2. Give guidance for Jason Garrett so that he will be better prepared to take over the Head-coaching duties.
Hiring a short term HC to mentor a potential future HC is equally inane.

Also, Norv has mentioned that he has some ideas on defense to help fix that defense (he didnt elaborate).
I have ideas how to fix the defense too, as does just about everyone on this board.

So what?

Show me another HC cadidate that is willing to do all of that for the short-term.
You got me there. I know of no other coach other than perhaps Wade Phillips so desperate for a HC spot they are willing to play seat warmer until Wonderboy is ready to take his headset away in a couple of years.
 

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offense is not our problem.

bledsoe started 6 games last year and we made the playoffs... DEFENSE is why we folded.

hiring a HC to babysit Romo is idiotic

but idiotic is what you expect from Jerry.
 

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Those that thinks Romo is already "there" need to go back and watch the Seattle playoff game. I still have it on my DVR and have been watching in bits and pieces. Romo clearly was rattled for a large chunk of the game. Missing wide open guys, getting sacked because he's not getting rid of the ball, forcing it when nothing was there, not running for the first down like he did when he first started. Romo does need Turner. I'm not sure how much Garrett can help him right now. I think Turner could accelerate his growth.
 

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I agree that a decision to hire Norv is all about Romo, to the detriment and almost exclusion of every other aspect of the team...(ie., Defense, Talent evaluation, personnel decisions, etc.).

What I find hard to accept is the idea that Norv Turner is the only guy in the entire coaching profession who can develop Romo and thus, you have to make Norv your HC when it is obvious Norv doesn't have the leadership skillls necessary to lead a team as it's HC and make it play to it's top performance level.

After thinking about this over the weekend, I've come to the conclusion that with Jerry's affection for Norv and Troy and the "old guard" in Jerry's ear all the time praising Norv, it was inevitable that Jerry was going to give him a shot as our HC. It's been discussed for several years but the timing was never right, so now we just have to go through this and see what happens.

I hope I'm wrong and Norv will lead us to #6, but it's impossible to believe that Norv is the best man to do that as we sit here today.
 

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every HC that calls their own plays basically "mentors" their QB...Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, Andy Reid...those were just the one's off the top of my head

it isnt that ******** of a concept

David
 

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dbair1967;1346096 said:
every HC that calls their own plays basically "mentors" their QB...Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, Andy Reid...those were just the one's off the top of my head

it isnt that ******** of a concept

David

The difference of course being that those guys are really good coaches who happen to be good with QBs. Not mediocre to bad coaches who are being hired just to mentor a QB.
 

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What I find hard to accept is the idea that Norv Turner is the only guy in the entire coaching profession who can develop Romo and thus, you have to make Norv your HC when it is obvious Norv doesn't have the leadership skillls necessary to lead a team as it's HC and make it play to it's top performance level.
Well, put yourself in Jerry Jones shoes. Your former franchise QB credits Norv Turner will his success, not the man that was your head coach in Jimmy Johnson. You have a young kid who you think is the future franchise QB, so you think Turner could help you have another HOF'er. You can't disregard what he did with Alex Smith in one year and you know you can't get Turner here as a coordinator.
 

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Sure, Romo is important.

But we've also got a bunch of young defenders who could use some guidance as well. I'd hate seeing them ignored.
 

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dbair1967;1346096 said:
every HC that calls their own plays basically "mentors" their QB...Mike Shanahan, Mike Holmgren, Andy Reid...those were just the one's off the top of my head

it isnt that ******** of a concept

David

David,

I agree with you that mentoring assistants on your staff for their future development as possible HC candidates and calling your own plays is not a "******** concept". But those men you named have leadership qualities that Norv will never possess. Norv is a great guy, from all accounts, but he also lacks obvious leadership skills and presents a very weak appearance.

Did you see him at the HOF induction for Troy? When I saw it, it struck me again why Norv has not succeeded as a HC. He's simply not a General, he's a lieutenant. That's where he functions at his best.
 

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CaptainAmerica;1346112 said:
David,

I agree with you that mentoring assistants on your staff for their future development as possible HC candidates and calling your own plays is not a "******** concept". But those men you named have leadership qualities that Norv will never possess. Norv is a great guy, from all accounts, but he also lacks obvious leadership skills and presents a very weak appearance.

Did you see him at the HOF induction for Troy? When I saw it, it struck me again why Norv has not succeeded as a HC. He's simply not a General, he's a lieutenant. That's where he functions at his best.

Norval comes across more as a buffer than anything else, a mediator, what have you

which means he'll be the buffer between Jerry Jones and the players if he comes here, yuck
 

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abersonc;1346111 said:
Sure, Romo is important.

But we've also got a bunch of young defenders who could use some guidance as well. I'd hate seeing them ignored.

they need to play up to their lofty draft status, that is, most of our young defenders.
 

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BlueStar22;1346110 said:
Well, put yourself in Jerry Jones shoes. Your former franchise QB credits Norv Turner will his success, not the man that was your head coach in Jimmy Johnson. You have a young kid who you think is the future franchise QB, so you think Turner could help you have another HOF'er. You can't disregard what he did with Alex Smith in one year and you know you can't get Turner here as a coordinator.

Norv isn't the only guy in America who can work with QBs. You don't give Norv a job that he is obviously not qualified to do, JUST for the opportunity for him to work with Romo.

What about David Lee for Romo's QB coach? Yes, I know he's now at Arkansas, but he would have stayed and worked with Garrett being the OC. You then could have hired a competent Defensive guy like Wade Phillips, (who at least has a winning record and several playoff appearances on his resume), as your HC. Romo credits Lee with his development, but Parcells chose to demote Lee this year and take him almost totally out of the picture so he could bring his buddy Chris Palmer back and make him the QB coach.
 
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