The key to winning: adjusted yards per pass attempt

[CowboyStar88]

Why do you keep bringing up other teams, their success has nothing to do with ours. The stat I'm using goes back to his 1st year with us not just this year and its still flawless. Your agenda is to prove that we can keep up with the Joneses in this so called passing league and history proves Romo can't keep up. He's better and were better when Romo is below 30 pass att (27-5). You add that to Murray getting more carries and I'm a happy camper. My agenda is to win not prove a theory that since this is a passing league we must follow suit. WRONG! Romo success lies ina pitch count not ANY/A

You don't understand it's not about how many attempts old lord do you not understand anything? Yeah because a QB who throws for 5000 yards can't win and isn't good enough. I bring up other teams because the data supports the league average. You want to ignore because it doesn't for your agenda. You are arguing passing attempts we are point out passing effectively and efficient do you understand the difference? Because I don't think you do.

 

[50cent]

The data says that when we're already winning, we can give Murray the ball in the fourth quarter to run out the clock, so he gets his 18-plus carries. Murray getting 18-plus carries is the EFFECT of winning, not the cause.

Murray had 14 carries against the Chargers. Do you think if we had given him the ball four times on our last possession, we would have won? Of course not.

I would have settled for 4 more carries early in the 4th, 3rd, 2nd and 1st when our defense was gassed and we were down 3. I think that would have given us a better chance to win. Data says when anyone is winning their runnung numbers increase. Get him more carries early and often. Data shows Romo and passing to get the lead is shaky.

 

[50cent]

Yes he does because he likes that stat. But like I said earlier Murray is 3 rd in the NFL in rushing and this guy keeps hounding we need to run more and he completely ignores the fact that we are not passing effectively or efficient enough. He will look at the completion % and say we are but 5-6 yard passes do not win games especially with Romo at the helm. Probably most likely with the entire league.

He's 3rd in the league based off the one game he was used to his skillset and it just so happened to be our easiest win! Had we used him more vs NYG, KC, and SD he'd be leading the league in rushing and we'd be 3-1 or 4-0 instead of 2-2.

 

[50cent]

You don't understand it's not about how many attempts old lord do you not understand anything? Yeah because a QB who throws for 5000 yards can't win and isn't good enough. I bring up other teams because the data supports the league average. You want to ignore because it doesn't for your agenda. You are arguing passing attempts we are point out passing effectively and efficient do you understand the difference? Because I don't think you do.

And you don't understand that the more we run regardless of success our defense is fresh from playing less to combat this damn pass happy league! And if we ran Murray far more early and often, maybe consistently on consecutive plays it lessens the burden on a mistake prone passing game we install! So regardless of what other team employ, our passing attack can't be based on ANY/A because they shot themselves in the foot far too often unlike Denver, NO, NE and GB!

 

[CowboyStar88]

I would have settled for 4 more carries early in the 4th, 3rd, 2nd and 1st when our defense was gassed and we were down 3. I think that would have given us a better chance to win. Data says when anyone is winning their runnung numbers increase. Get him more carries early and often. Data shows Romo and passing to get the lead is shaky.

Again you are arguing passing attempts versus passing effectively. Yes we know you would like your 4 more carries because you believe that's how this team wins games making sure we squeeze those last 4 carries in. You completely ignore cause and effect it's pointless debating with you. I'm not going to respond to you anymore as you give me a headache because you still don't get it even when it's simply broken down. #3 in the league in rushing let it sink in. If Dallas doesn't get 6 TO against the Giants they lose because while Romo has a great completion % he doesn't have a good YPA/A. Complete your pass the 27 attempts and under for 8+ yards per completion and you will be throwing more effectively. Throw 35 times for 5 yards completion you are not passing effectively. Understand it? In 7 years when throwing for 10+ YPA he has lost 3 times and that doesn't mean throwing the ball 35+ times a game.

 

[CowboyStar88]

And you don't understand that the more we run regardless of success our defense is fresh from playing less to combat this damn pass happy league! And if we ran Murray far more early and often, maybe consistently on consecutive plays it lessens the burden on a mistake prone passing game we install! So regardless of what other team employ, our passing attack can't be based on ANY/A because they shot themselves in the foot far too often unlike Denver, NO, NE and GB!

Fix the problem fix the scheme they have the players. Really you have proof of that? Because I don't think you should make that statement without proof.

 

[50cent]

You don't understand it's not about how many attempts old lord do you not understand anything? Yeah because a QB who throws for 5000 yards can't win and isn't good enough. I bring up other teams because the data supports the league average. You want to ignore because it doesn't for your agenda. You are arguing passing attempts we are point out passing effectively and efficient do you understand the difference? Because I don't think you do.

We are efficient in the passing game just not at obtaining your preferred ANY/A. What we aren't is effective is the passing game enough to out throw teams! So yes I understand! And I didn't even mention ru....

 

[CowboyStar88]

We are efficient in the passing game just not at obtaining your preferred ANY/A. What we aren't is effective is the passing game enough to out throw teams! So yes I understand! And I didn't even mention ru....

It's preferred because it wins not because we want it. Proof is there it wins period end of story we get those high completion passes past 8 yards you will see more points and see Murray getting his 18+ carries to close out games. Because we've turned efficient passing into effective passing.

 

[CowboyStar88]

And you don't understand that the more we run regardless of success our defense is fresh from playing less to combat this damn pass happy league! And if we ran Murray far more early and often, maybe consistently on consecutive plays it lessens the burden on a mistake prone passing game we install! So regardless of what other team employ, our passing attack can't be based on ANY/A because they shot themselves in the foot far too often unlike Denver, NO, NE and GB!

Our defense is fresh when we get teams off the field not allowing them to sustain drives. It's 3rd down conversion %

 

[50cent]

It's preferred because it wins not because we want it. Proof is there it wins period end of story we get those high completion passes past 8 yards you will see more points and see Murray getting his 18+ carries to close out games. Because we've turned efficient passing into effective passing.

How bout we look at it like this, Romo is 33-30 in 63 games with 31+ pass attempts, 27-5 with 23-30 attempts. So my agenda is to keep Romo at 30 or fewer passes like I've mentioned numerous times. Deal?!

 

[CowboyStar88]

How bout we look at it like this, Romo is 33-30 in 63 games with 31+ pass attempts, 27-5 with 23-30 attempts. So my agenda is to keep Romo at 30 or fewer passes like I've mentioned numerous times. Deal?!

And agin not one single person has said we need to pass more. Again passing effectively not passing more is what we are saying here. I don't care about the attempts. I know the record why do you think I'm preaching effectiveness and efficiently if we are throwing that much we are not being effective or efficient. We are throwing it because we've either fallen behind or have committed too many mistakes to commit to the run.

 

[50cent]

And agin not one single person has said we need to pass more. Again passing effectively not passing more is what we are saying here. I don't care about the attempts. I know the record why do you think I'm preaching effectiveness and efficiently if we are throwing that much we are not being effective or efficient. We are throwing it because we've either fallen behind or have committed too many mistakes to commit to the run.

70% is both effective and efficient boss! Whats funny is that in those 26 games with the 3 losses, the majority of them (16) were with 30 or fewer passes (0 losses too). So maybe he's just more effective at getting to your stat by following my agenda. Win-win!

 

[TonyS]

Wow, what a thread. Two dudes arguing over basically different points using different stats. If you can't see that abandoning the run leads to the defense pinning their ears back on the line and blanketing our most effective WRs and TEs leading to less time for Romo to throw to either double covered receivers or our less talented ones in single coverage leading to FEWER YDS PER ATTEMPT, then you can take your statistics and flush them down the toilet. Watch the games. That's all you need to do. We need to run more to help Romo have more time and have a greater chance at a longer pass to our effective weapons. Period.

 

[wick]

The key is having a higher ANY/A than your opponent -- if you do that, you win about 80 percent of the time, no matter how high yours is. Naturally, over the long haul, a high offensive ANY/A will produce more wins because those are more likely to be higher than the opponent's ANY/A against an "average" defensive performance.

So, to win consistently, we need Romo's ANY/A to be higher and/or our defense's ANY/A to be lower than it has been. It's really that simple.

I focused just on Romo's ANY/A because that is a single, actionable factor, where beating your opponent in that same stat requires cooperation from your defense. Without knowing anything else about the game, you can tell with good certainty if we won or lost by looking at Romo's ANY/A. But yes, I agree that the differential between Dallas and the opponent in that stat will give you a better read, if you want to consider additional factors (offense and defense).

 

[CowboyStar88]

70% is both effective and efficient boss! Whats funny is that in those 26 games with the 3 losses, the majority of them (16) were with 30 or fewer passes (0 losses too). So maybe he's just more effective at getting to your stat by following my agenda. Win-win!

Again you keep looking at completion % it's a lost cause with you

 

[percyhoward]

I focused just on Romo's ANY/A because that is a single, actionable factor, where beating your opponent in that same stat requires cooperation from your defense..

Just as Romo's ANY/A requires cooperation from opposing defenses.

They're the same stat, just looked at from two different points of view. There is nothing inherently different about the statistic because it relates to your own QB, as opposed to someone else's QB.

 

[50cent]

Again you keep looking at completion % it's a lost cause with you

So, he's effective and efficient plus he reaches your ANY/A goal and yet another loss with a key TO by him in a game with over 30 passes!!! The irony, should we revisit your theory vs reality again?

 

[CowboyStar88]

So, he's effective and efficient plus he reaches your ANY/A goal and yet another loss with a key TO by him in a game with over 30 passes!!! The irony, should we revisit your theory vs reality again?

Are you trolling to just troll? Because nobody said they would always win. 9 times out if 10 you win that game. Unfortunately the defense didn't force 1 punt. So troll somewhere else you are ignorant

 

[50cent]

Are you trolling to just troll? Because nobody said they would always win. 9 times out if 10 you win that game. Unfortunately the defense didn't force 1 punt. So troll somewhere else you are ignorant

Trolling? Just proving a point! Regardless of your stat, we are a better team with Murray used as a featured back. Don't use the troll card just because you can't take the truth. Either way, my point was validated, protect Romo from Romo at all costs!

 

[CowboyStar88]

Trolling? Just proving a point! Regardless of your stat, we are a better team with Murray used as a featured back. Don't use the troll card just because you can't take the truth. Either way, my point was validated, protect Romo from Romo at all costs!

That was an anomaly today are you kidding?? 51 points against Manning and the best team in football. At 1 point Murray was like 8 carries for 22 yards dude shut up. If it's any other team Dallas wins this game in a shut out. 142-2 losses when a QB is 140 300 yards and 3 TDs in a game. So please you are just flat out dumb and I won't respond to your silly dumb comments.