The knock on Gurode has been the mental side of the game

[CowboyChris]

i was just thinking, the knack on Gurode has been the mental side of the game, making the proper line calls etc etc, could it possibly be that Gurode isnt calling the correct line plays when another team shows a Blitz look, especially against Philly and the Giants? 2 of the sacks on Bledsoe Monday night were defenders coming in untouched. are we handicapped with Guorde?

 

[Doomsday101]

i was just thinking, the knack on Gurode has been the mental side of the game, making the proper line calls etc etc, could it possibly be that Gurode isnt calling the correct line plays when another team shows a Blitz look, especially against Philly and the Giants? 2 of the sacks on Bledsoe Monday night were defenders coming in untouched. are we handicapped with Guorde?

According to what Parcells has said Gurode has been making the right calls on the line

 

[CowboyChris]

let me add to that, it has been noted that we arent getting beat physically, but mentally, blitzers coming in untouched, ive said it a 100 times here that we should put Gurode at RG next to Columbo and solidify the right side of the line, we should put Johnson back at center or if Proctor is ready give him a try.:starspin

 

[Rampage]

he must go

 

[alancdc]

Interesting point last night from someone on NFL live, I think Schlereth, or however you spell that. He was showing that our back, JJ, isn't lined up in the right spot to protect. One example given was the safety. JJ is lined up 7 yards off the ball, and doesn't have time to even get in front of Bledsoe properly to block Arrington. He said, and I agree, that is not JJ doing that on his own, but bad coaching. Another one was Strahan going untouched when Columbo doubles down to help Rivera, and at the same time JJ goes to the other side to protect. Now call me crazy, but why in the world would you even have a scheme where JJ is the one that is going to try to block Michael Strahan? So, either the scheme is wrong, or Colombo and JJ have no idea of what is going on!

 

[Crown Royal]

Parcells has said that Gurode is doing well. We have seen him doing well physically. There is no way for us to know if he is making poor line calls or not. I'm sure if he were, he would have been benched by now.

I stand by my assessment a few games ago - at this point it seems that Gurode is the only lineman consistently playing pretty well.

 

[dmq]

Is any of this responsibility on the QB? You watch Peyton Manning and he is pointing at defenders all over the place. All I ever see is Bledsoe showing the max protect signal which means he is gonna throw an interception or be sacked.

 

[CowboyChris]

Interesting point last night from someone on NFL live, I think Schlereth, or however you spell that. He was showing that our back, JJ, isn't lined up in the right spot to protect. One example given was the safety. JJ is lined up 7 yards off the ball, and doesn't have time to even get in front of Bledsoe properly to block Arrington.

maybe its cause of this 2 TE formation, which leaves no FB to help protect. maybe that scheme isnt beneficial for a statue like Bledsoe.

 

[Crown Royal]

Is any of this responsibility on the QB? You watch Peyton Manning and he is pointing at defenders all over the place. All I ever see is Bledsoe showing the max protect signal which means he is gonna throw an interception or be sacked.

Yes yes yes. Drew Bledsoe has not figured out that he must change the snap count and give the line time to recognize and adjust.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

No, how can you blame mental mistakes by INDIVIDUALS on one guy. Gurode has been a bright spot on the line along with Colombo although after the Giants made me scratch my head as well... Parcells would have benched Gurode because he won't tolerate giving up mental lapses at the crucial line spot.

 

[dwmyers]

Interesting point last night from someone on NFL live, I think Schlereth, or however you spell that. He was showing that our back, JJ, isn't lined up in the right spot to protect. One example given was the safety. JJ is lined up 7 yards off the ball, and doesn't have time to even get in front of Bledsoe properly to block Arrington. He said, and I agree, that is not JJ doing that on his own, but bad coaching. Another one was Strahan going untouched when Columbo doubles down to help Rivera, and at the same time JJ goes to the other side to protect. Now call me crazy, but why in the world would you even have a scheme where JJ is the one that is going to try to block Michael Strahan? So, either the scheme is wrong, or Colombo and JJ have no idea of what is going on!

nice catch Alan. I recall the replay of the safety and yes, JJ whiffs on the attempted block of Arrington. And I still don't understand why Columbo was doubling down on Rivera's blocker on that pass rush. Doesn't Columbo have DE responsibility?

I'd love someone to post a torrent of this game, there are some plays I'd love to see a few times.

David.

 

[alancdc]

I guess too what kills me about the Giants game, and every Giant game is that WE KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE BRINGING THE HOUSE, and we don't come up with something to handle it. How is that possible to know what is coming, and yet still not block them? I mean Strahan has been there since LT retired for heavens sake is he doing something that we don't expect. If we get beat physically then that is one thing, but seems to me, and the NFL live crew that we are in the wrong blocking schemes. We better get it right by Sunday because the combo of Peppers, Rucker and Al Wallace, who I think is way underated will be no easier than the Giants were.

 

[sillycon]

nice catch Alan. I recall the replay of the safety and yes, JJ whiffs on the attempted block of Arrington. And I still don't understand why Columbo was doubling down on Rivera's blocker on that pass rush. Doesn't Columbo have DE responsibility?

I'd love someone to post a torrent of this game, there are some plays I'd love to see a few times.

David.

Regarding the Arrington sack, he came through fast and untouched. JJ just didn't have enough time to get over there to chip him. Also, I read earlier about JJ perhaps being set too far back off the line. I would also consider Bledsoe's slow feet when making his drop back is a factor as well.

As for that play where Strahan came through clean, I wasn't sure if Fasano was supposed to stay in and get him or if Columbo thought that that was the case when he blocked inside. Perhaps the play was designed to go quick to the left side and Drew just didn't execute it quick enough (or like that goal line INT, he went away from the play design and looked downfield).

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I have been giving this some thought as well. It worries me that the OL blocks out alot and blitzers run right by them to the inside. From gradeschool UP, OL are always taught to block inside OUT,, this tells me there is something in the scheme that our OL is supposed to block out. This needs to be corrected, quit trying to be funny and just man up and block.. this would cut down on a lot of mistakes. But to answer your questions, the QB should call the protection once the D shows something. I really think Drew was having a hard time reading the blitz keys and that was effecting the OL play as well.

 

[CowboyChris]

I have been giving this some thought as well. It worries me that the OL blocks out alot and blitzers run right by them to the inside. From gradeschool UP, OL are always taught to block inside OUT,, this tells me there is something in the scheme that our OL is supposed to block out. This needs to be corrected, quit trying to be funny and just man up and block.. this would cut down on a lot of mistakes. But to answer your questions, the QB should call the protection once the D shows something. I really think Drew was having a hard time reading the blitz keys and that was effecting the OL play as well.

i definitely agree with that, infact it was mentioned that the Giants were complaining about there complex defensive scheme and getting outcoached, the last couple of weeks they have like 7 sacks vs ATL and i dont know how many against us. point is keep it simple and MAN UP.

 

[alancdc]

That was Schlereth's entire point about JJ, and the safety. He got there late BECAUSE he was lined up 7 yards deep in the end zone. His point was that the coaches lined him up in the wrong spot if we were going to be throwing out of the end zone.

 

[Stautner]

That was Schlereth's entire point about JJ, and the safety. He got there late BECAUSE he was lined up 7 yards deep in the end zone. His point was that the coaches lined him up in the wrong spot if we were going to be throwing out of the end zone.

Maybe JJ lined up in the wrong spot all on his own. Or maybe Drew didn't respond like he should have and call an audible when Arrington showed blitz. Or maybe JJ had other responsibilities on the play and that's why he lined up 7 yards deep.

This "the coaches screwed up" mantra is getting old - us armchair QB's commenting without the benefit of game films or knowing what play was called should realize that we aren't authorities.

 

[goko100]

on the play where stahan came free the dt lined up on columbo with stahan lined up outside the te. the te release into pass route without even touching stahan. the dt knifed inside and columbo went with him. that is reason stahan came in untouched

 

[Manster68]

Look, Gurode is having a very good year. There have been nothing mentioned on poor line calls. Bill would have brought that out if that were the case.

Also, don't get on Colombo's case too much because he is pretty much playing a full season for the first time also. He actually did pretty well on Strahan.

The first sack, not sure if Colombo needed to double down on the tackle. I'll count this one against Colombo as a mentle error.

The other sack? Well, once Strahan realized that he wasn't getting teh outside, he decided to retreat away from Colombo, go around the guard, and saw Bledsoe still patting the ball. That is hardly Colombo's fault.

I'll say this, this offensive line is better with Gurode at center and Colombo at right tackle than having Al Johnson getting bowled over, or Pettiti or Tucker getting smoked.

 

[alancdc]

Stautner, Look my man, I am just passing along what was said on NFL live last night that JJ shouldn't have been 7 yards back in that situation, and it made sense. I nor can anyone that isn't in the coaches meetings be sure what is going on. However, given our history of having our QB sacked consistently against the Gmen why can't we devise a scheme that is effective against Strahan. It isn't like they surprised us by blitzing our quarterback is it?