The Law is back in Detroit....

[Jarv]

I'm going to laugh my silly arse off if you end up being right, Nors.

And if not will you look like the little guy in your avitar ?

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

doesnt it seem like we have played the lions ALOT in these last 5 years

 

[dargonking999]

doesnt it seem like we have played the lions ALOT in these last 5 years

well we finsh in the same place every year, third.

 

[Nors]

Law will probably sign two weeks into camp. It'll be a "big contract in total $ with incentives but small upfront guranteed money.

Its unlikely he signs here but he's still available.

Scott, Davis, that Buffalo safety that was benched Reese. Lets hope THEY stay healthy - LOL

It w ill be a sin if we leave that $5.7M Available Cap unspent - like last year.... and then implode at position of real risk Sux.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

It will be a sin if we leave that $5.7M Available Cap unspent - like last year.... and then implode at position of real risk Sux.

There are positions much more 'real risk" than corner now.

What will be a 'sin' is spending big bucks on Law, and doing what...moving big bucks Henry or top five pick Newman to nickle? And Glenn to dime?

Don't give me this safety stuff either; no one in the Law camp has ever even hinted Ty was willing to transtion there, and you don't pay free safties over 30 who are just learning the position Ty Law money.

Nors, Law has been a DEAD ISSUE since Anthony Henry was signed.

Aaron Glenn put the FINAL name in the coffin.

We don't NEED him, and so what if Jerry prefers to let his payroll come in under the cap? It's HIS money..and you never know when you might need that extra space....

 

[dargonking999]

There are positions much more 'real risk" than corner now.

What will be a 'sin' is spending big bucks on Law, and doing what...moving big bucks Henry or top five pick Newman to nickle? And Glenn to dime?

Don't give me this safety stuff either; no one in the Law camp has ever even hinted Ty was willing to transtion there, and you don't pay free safties over 30 who are just learning the position Ty Law money.

Nors, Law has been a DEAD ISSUE since Anthony Henry was signed.

Aaron Glenn put the FINAL name in the coffin.

We don't NEED him, and so what if Jerry prefers to let his payroll come in under the cap? It's HIS money..and you never know when you might need that extra space....

Ahh but see here experinced Jedi, thou has forgotten ....Nors hears no sense when it comes to Law......

 

[Dale]

If Law were a guy looking to make that transition to free safety at this point in his career, I'd be all over this signing. I just don't think there is much about coming here that would intrigue him. He'd have to compete for a starting job, and we're not going to overpay a guy like him considering the depth we have there (and dollars invested there).

It seems like he's targeting teams with a desperate need for corners where he can go and instantly start. Other than Parcells, what do we have to offer here for him as far as guaranteed playing time goes?

 

[Vertigo_17]

and don't forget he's represented by the Poston clowns...

 

[Nors]

Law needs to do what Everson Walls, Woodson did - make the transition to FS. Apparantly he and his agent don't see that.

If he's looking for top $ - SCREW HIM

If he's looking to run a secondary and be a team leader and win another Super Bowl. The window is open to a Parcells player sliding back to Him....... Remote but never say never!

Newman
Law
Roy
Henry

Glenn - Nickel

No one will EVER convince me thats not an upgraded secondary over what we have TODAY.

Is it practical, going to happen? Probably not.

 

[Nors]

Drew Bledsoe signed Day 1 for below market $, that should be noted on his true desires.....to play for Bill AND GET A LOMBARDI....

 

[Vertigo_17]

what you're missing IMO Nors, is that Law passed on a lucrative deal that the Pats offered (actually called it a slap in the face) for statisticly a better chance to win another SB. He's looking to cash in with a team desperate for a CB...which thank God we are not. Had this been last year, I'd be all over it...but not this time around esp. after the injury. If I were Jerry, I'd rather keep the money than spend it on a has been like Law.

 

[Nors]

BS - Law was given a huge under market contract offer by Pats at the time. He took the injury risk and Lost. He also raked in $10M Cap last year.......$8M cash. Its not as easy as you make it sound!

I have no affinity to Law a Cowboy at this point at his current salary demands.


Dude is a better football player than Scott, Reese, Davis rolled into one. Debate that bad boy!

 

[Hostile]

BS - Law was given a huge under market contract offer by Pats at the time. He took the injury risk and Lost. He also raked in $10M Cap last year.......$8M cash. Its not as easy as you make it sound!

I have no affinity to Law a Cowboy at this point at his current salary demands.


Dude is a better football player than Scott, Reese, Davis rolled into one. Debate that bad boy!

To the best of my knowledge no one has demeaned his talent superiority. Some shy away because of the injury. Some because of his agents. Some because of the cap money. But not one single person has ever said he was on par with them. No idea where you'd even come up with that.

 

[Waffle]

Dude is a better football player than Scott, Reese, Davis rolled into one. Debate that bad boy!

If Law's healthy, then he's probably better. If he is injured and his foot injury is worse than he's been telling people, then he isn't.

That pretty much sums up this whole debate deal, IMO.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Dude is a better football player than Scott, Reese, Davis rolled into one. Debate that bad boy!

That may or may not be true. This line means nothing to me....."He looks great," one of Law's agents, Kevin Poston, said while watching Law work out for the Lions on Monday morning." Let's here from someone like a coach or scout that doesn't have any financial stake in Law. All we really know is that at this point.....Scott, Reese and Davis are Cowboys and Law is not and that isn't going to change.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Law needs to do what Everson Walls, Woodson did - make the transition to FS. Apparantly he and his agent don't see that.

No, they don't Nors. As long as top cover corner money dwarfs safety money, they won't consider it. Law's performance before the injury last October was Pro Bowl level..that's the line they are negotiating from, NOT that his skills have fallen off so much he needs to move to safety. It would be flat out stupid of them to even mention the idea.

If he's looking for top $ - SCREW HIM

Now you turn on him.

IF, Nors, IF. Are you the only one on planet earth who doesn't GET that ever since summer of 2003, when both Milloy and Law canned their long time agents, and hired the Postons, it has been ALL about money. The Pats didn't offer him chicken feed to return, but Ty has said since Denver traded for Champ, he wants MORE than Bailey. He has not come down from that stance, not one iota, even after the injury

Cripe, every interview the man has given for TWO years has been about 'getting what he's worth". It has never been about anything but money, and he never pretended otherwise.

If he's looking to run a secondary and be a team leader and win another Super Bowl. The window is open to a Parcells player sliding back to Him....... Remote but never say never!

We've gone from trading for him, to gravitating back to "sliding". But Ty wants to slide only to where the top dollar is. He has never made any statement about wanting to reunite with Bill, has he? And if he's mentioned it in passing, he certainly hasn't implied he'd do if for less money than he might get elsewhere.

Now, in the 11th hour, you act as tho he somehow betrayed you. LMAO!!
Well, he has been totally HONEST about what matters to him from the get-go, only you put your hands up in front of your ears.

It was all in your mind, Nors, that, Law had any intention of playing for Tuna for less money.

Now don't start demonizing him for being honest.

We don't need the next two years of "Ty betrayed us". LOL!!!

 

[Nors]

I never said he'd play for less money for Bill as a fact - but that some former Bill players had. - obviously that is skewed and he's still unemployed.....

27 months ago I reported Pats were obviously attempting to trade him and his cap hit at the time!

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I never said he'd play for less money for Bill as a fact - but that some former Bill players had. - obviously that is skewed and he's still unemployed.....

27 months ago I reported Pats were obviously attempting to trade him and his cap hit at the time!

Pats were obviously not trying to trade him as much as they were trying to get him to restructure.

Nors, I watched the whole Law thing play out as closely as you did. He's one of MY favorite players too, but I don't need to beat that drum daily here. Ty and Lawyer hired the Postons a little over two years ago in anticipation of the huge cap hits both were going to be making on the Pats because their deals had been so backloaded. They wanted to collect what they had been promised, and if possible, get good extensions with as much guaranteed monies as possible.

Milloy, whose tackles had been down in 2002, actually caved and accepted a pay cut. But a few days before the season began that b*stid Mumbles, who had brought in Harrison anyway, asked Milloy to take another 750,000 cut. Milloy refused, and was summarily released. Remember how ticked folks were Milloy was lost over 750,000?

That episode re his pal hardened Ty even more..and he had been playing, unlike Milloy who played a much less paid position in general, at the top of his game. The final two years of his 1999 contract were cap killers, I believe with salary and signing bonus one year was about 9 mill and last over 10, (and for some reason 13 sticks in my mind) but he managed to get every single penny if the 99 contract. He was offered a very nice extension, but it wasn't Bailey money, so he turned it down.

He was on Total Access last week or the week before, still maintaining he will not accept even a big number contract if it is backloaded..or too short. He has tremendous resolve and doesn't waver from his goals. There has never been ANY ANY ANY possibility he would ever play anywhere out of desire to reunite with anyone. It has been 27 months, as you say, of fighting to be the best paid at his position. And he has been nothing but relentlessly consistent about it throughout. Ty's not a rookie who the Postons manipulated post draft time .....he fired his prior agent and went out and hired the Postons, in preparation for a long long battle.

I can remember Ty Law at camp at Bryant in the summer of 99 right after he had signed his big new contract which the Pats ended up restucturing so they had to pay him big big bucks those last two years. He had just gone out and bought a new car, a cute Mercedes convertible, black, a small thing, really, for a big player. One noontime on the way from class, I had parked beside him and he was standing beside his car, playing with the remote light, flicking them on and off like a little kid, enjoying so much that simple thing. Of course I told him it was a beautiful car (most of his buddies, Milloy for example, were driving Lexus SUVs at the time.) He beamed like a teenager.

That's how I remember Ty Law....fully appreciating the things that money can buy. And proud of his success.

IMO, there has never been a chance he would come here for less.

Never.

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

Gotta give you credit Nors for thinking outside the box, I would love Law here as a FS too, but as has been noted he is still going to sign & play as a CB...I don't blame him ether.

But can we all PLEASE stop mentioning Scott as a possible starter for FS?
The guy won't make the team this year...

 

[Yeagermeister]

I never said he'd play for less money for Bill as a fact - but that some former Bill players had. - obviously that is skewed and he's still unemployed.....

27 months ago I reported Pats were obviously attempting to trade him and his cap hit at the time!

You have said from the beginning Law would sign here for a Parcells discount. If that's not saying less money then what is?