The Lawson hurdles

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I am an NC State fan that saw every game over Lawson's career, and I just don't see him being a difference maker. Of course, that is why I am not a GM of a football team. It is just wild to me that State is going to have 2 DE's that might go in the top 15, and a d-tackle projected as a early 2nd round pick, and State's D let people run all over them this year.
 

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JPM said:
I'd be happy with Lawson or Carpenter or Wimbley.
I like Greenway too. I think you and I are the only ones on this site that do. :laugh2:

How can folks not like Greenway? Smart, team leader, good producer. All Carpenter has on him is 10 lbs.
 

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I like him as well.

he's the kid I'm looking for to drop -- I think he's the #2 LB on the board. He reminds me of the Pats LBs -- and you know BP likes that.
 

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abersonc said:
he's the kid I'm looking for to drop -- I think he's the #2 LB on the board. He reminds me of the Pats LBs -- and you know BP likes that.

I have seen him play and I like what I saw. I also know many publication think highly of him and have him going rd 1.

Strengths:
Has good size...An outstanding athlete with superb speed and a burst...Smart player with excellent instincts and great football intelligence...Does an excellent job in coverage...Sure tackler...Good blitzer and pass rusher...Pursues well and is solid in the open field...Has good range and makes plays sideline-to-sideline...Has a motor that never stops...Very productive...Good intangibles and a hard worker...Is a team leader and like an extra coach on the field...Still has upside.

Weaknesses:
Will get too aggressive and become undisciplined at times...Needs to hit the weights and get stronger, especially in the lower body...Has some trouble shedding blocks...Was not quite as good in 2005 as he was as a junior after the Hawkeyes lost some key personnel...Tore up his knee prior to the '02 season.

Notes:
From a small town in South Dakota where he grew up on a hog farm...Iowa was the only DI school to offer him a scholarship...Has all the tools you look for and is still getting better...Could easily develop into an impact player at the pro
 

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neosapien23 said:
Cleveland will take either Bunkly or Ngata.


Lawson could flip the switch for Browns
Monday, April 10, 2006 [FONT=Verdana, Times New Roman, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]By Steve Doerschuk REPOSITORY SPORTS WRITER[/FONT]
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Frank Beamer sounded surprised after Manny Lawson blew Virginia Tech’s lights out that Saturday.

“I never thought they would handle us that way,” Beamer said after his Techies got tripped by Lawson’s North Carolina State team during a September 2004 game. “Never, never, never.”
Lawson, who had been switched from linebacker to end, predicted more of the same after delivering three of his team’s 10 sacks.

“Hold on to your seat and clench your teeth,” he said.
Now, as Browns fans edge up on their chairs for the April 29-30 draft, Lawson might be coming up on the outside. He is a strong option to flesh out Cleveland’s linebacker corp.

Lawson is seen as a late first-round type, but teams are antsy about missing the next breakout front-seven player. Dwight Freeney and Shawne Merriman are examples of such stars who were undervalued at draft time.

At the NFL Combine, Lawson was measured at 6-foot-5, 241 pounds. He runs the 40 faster than most running backs and did a 39 1/2-inch vertical leap.
Some scout-informed commercial analysis sees him as an obvious target for Cleveland, including this from “War Room scouts” of The Sporting News: “Look for Lawson to go higher than expected, especially with so many teams switching to a 3-4 scheme and desperately in search of outside linebackers who can rush. Cleveland, New England and Pittsburgh are always searching for guys like him.

“He is an explosive tackler and flies off the edge as a pass rusher. He must polish his game but has unlimited potential.”
Lawson has been compared to recent Browns pickup Willie McGinest, 34, who says he would gladly mentor a young protégé.

“I don’t know what to say about the comparison,” Lawson said at the Combine. “He’s done things I haven’t done.”
At N.C. State, Lawson played end opposite Mario Williams, a certified beast who is supposed to be long gone before the Browns pick at No. 12, partly because of his speed.

Asked at the combine if he is faster than Williams, Lawson said yes, adding, “It’s not even close ... not even.”
Lawson, not Williams, was voted N.C. State’s MVP.
“We complemented each other,” Lawson said. “The vote could have gone either way.”

The 6-7, 295-pound Williams is Mel Kiper Jr.’s No. 3 player in the draft based on a big body and some off-the-charts games. In a regular-season finale against North Carolina, Williams had four sacks and forced a fumble. Lawson had a tackle for loss, a sack and two quarterback knockdowns.

“I fed off Manny all season,” Williams said. “Me and him were like, ‘Meet me at the quarterback.’ ”
The Dolphins, who have the 16th pick, are among teams hot on Lawson’s trail.

Lawson thinks he can bulk up and play end in a 4-3 or rush and drop into pass coverage as a 3-4 linebacker. “A guy I look up to, Jason Taylor, is about my size and height,” Lawson said. “Another guy is Dwight Freeney. I wish I had his spin move.” ’Tis the season for draft spin. Somewhere on the Browns’ radar is a man named Manny.
 

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I still think its very likely that all the LB's slide. Its what normally happens. Most LB's slide down the draft boards, especially with someone like Hawk up at the top there.
 

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I don't watch much college football, so I don't know anything about 99 percent of these guys.

From what I have read, I'm really hoping this Lawson guy is there at 18. with that height, he could easily bulk up to play end in the 4-3 if the Cowboys ever go back to that scheme.
 

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alancdc said:
I am an NC State fan that saw every game over Lawson's career, and I just don't see him being a difference maker. Of course, that is why I am not a GM of a football team. It is just wild to me that State is going to have 2 DE's that might go in the top 15, and a d-tackle projected as a early 2nd round pick, and State's D let people run all over them this year.

I think it's pretty funny how low NC State fans are on Lawson, while many people who haven't watched NC State nearly as much seem to think that he is a superstar waiting to happen.

It's also pretty funny how Ohio State had the best defense in college football last season, and NC State surprisingly mediocre, despite having a "comparable" amount of NFL talent. I just can't see how a D-line of true all-star status, would let so many teams walk over them at will. The best comparison that I can think of is Wisconsin last year. They had a star DE in Erasmus James, a star DT in Antajj Hawthorne, and a super-athlete at the other end. But at least they dominated, until James got injured, and the team fell apart at the end of the season.
 

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I think it's pretty funny how low NC State fans are on Lawson, while many people who haven't watched NC State nearly as much seem to think that he is a superstar waiting to happen.

It's also pretty funny how Ohio State had the best defense in college football last season, and NC State surprisingly mediocre, despite having a "comparable" amount of NFL talent. I just can't see how a D-line of true all-star status, would let so many teams walk over them at will. The best comparison that I can think of is Wisconsin last year. They had a star DE in Erasmus James, a star DT in Antajj Hawthorne, and a super-athlete at the other end. But at least they dominated, until James got injured, and the team fell apart at the end of the season.
You make a good point. What type of scheme did NC State run? You can have a ton of talent players, but if they are not used correctly, it won't matter on the field.

Like I said earlier I don't watch much college football, but I also wonder how a team with so much talent could fare that poorly.

So I would really like more specific input from you guys that have seen some NC State games.
 

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I seriously doubt that we take an offensive lineman with the 18th pick.
You have to ask yourself this..."Does any offensive lineman at 18 have a chance to start this next season?". With the new contracts to Fabini and Kosier...the answer is no.
I like Lawson,Wimberly and Carpenter in that order at 18 at the OLB spot.
Another guy who is not mentioned at 18 is Bunkley-NT-Florida St.
Recent news has him climbing up draft boards as maybe the top DT/NT in the draft.
Greenway is a bad fit for our defense in my mind.
I think in a Tampa/Indianapolis defense we would thrive. But in our 3-4 defense I think he could get swallowed up by offensive tackles in the run game.
This draft is deep at O-line,cb/s and OLB.
At 18 we have a chance to get a starter at either S,CB(With a move of Henry to safety) or OLB with the first pick.
With that in mind I see OLB as the logical choice at 18.
I doubt we see a safety prospect worth taking at 18.
If no trades are done it would look something like this...
Round one...Lawson,Wimberly or Carpenter
Round two...Davin Joseph,Charles Spencer or a Kevin Boothe-Guards
Round three...Pat Watkins,Daniel Manning or a Anthony Smith.
Not as high on Boothe and Smith but we need depth at Guard and we someone at FS.
 

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J-DOG said:
I seriously doubt that we take an offensive lineman with the 18th pick.
You have to ask yourself this..."Does any offensive lineman at 18 have a chance to start this next season?". With the new contracts to Fabini and Kosier...the answer is no.
I like Lawson,Wimberly and Carpenter in that order at 18 at the OLB spot.
Another guy who is not mentioned at 18 is Bunkley-NT-Florida St.
Recent news has him climbing up draft boards as maybe the top DT/NT in the draft.
Greenway is a bad fit for our defense in my mind.
I think in a Tampa/Indianapolis defense we would thrive. But in our 3-4 defense I think he could get swallowed up by offensive tackles in the run game.
This draft is deep at O-line,cb/s and OLB.
At 18 we have a chance to get a starter at either S,CB(With a move of Henry to safety) or OLB with the first pick.
With that in mind I see OLB as the logical choice at 18.
I doubt we see a safety prospect worth taking at 18.
If no trades are done it would look something like this...
Round one...Lawson,Wimberly or Carpenter
Round two...Davin Joseph,Charles Spencer or a Kevin Boothe-Guards
Round three...Pat Watkins,Daniel Manning or a Anthony Smith.
Not as high on Boothe and Smith but we need depth at Guard and we someone at FS.
You also have to ask yourself is there any reason why the pick at #18 has to start this year. The answer to that one is NO. We have enough talent on this team right now that theres only a couple of places where someone comes in and is an immedate starter. We shouldn't necessarily limit ourselves to those spots in an effort to get a starter from the 1st pick. I think we will take the player we consider the best player at that pick, if its a starter then its a starter. If its a OT or WR then I'll still suspect the Boys stuck to their board.
 

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Derinyar said:
You also have to ask yourself is there any reason why the pick at #18 has to start this year. The answer to that one is NO. We have enough talent on this team right now that theres only a couple of places where someone comes in and is an immedate starter. We shouldn't necessarily limit ourselves to those spots in an effort to get a starter from the 1st pick. I think we will take the player we consider the best player at that pick, if its a starter then its a starter. If its a OT or WR then I'll still suspect the Boys stuck to their board.

If we stay at 18, I think JJ wants a starter, either immediately or sometime this season (or at the very worst, someone who take significant snaps). I don't think he pays that type of money for someone to sit on the bench for 1-2 years.

Just my opinion, of course.
 

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Derinyar said:
You also have to ask yourself is there any reason why the pick at #18 has to start this year. The answer to that one is NO. We have enough talent on this team right now that theres only a couple of places where someone comes in and is an immedate starter. We shouldn't necessarily limit ourselves to those spots in an effort to get a starter from the 1st pick. I think we will take the player we consider the best player at that pick, if its a starter then its a starter. If its a OT or WR then I'll still suspect the Boys stuck to their board.
I think ther are only a couple of players who would fit that role.
Ngata
Justice
Bunkley
I doubt that Justice or Ngata fall that far.
That would leave Bunkely...I wouldn't be dissapointed with him either but that would mean he is ranked ahead of guys like Carpenter and Wimbley.
Do really see us getting Santonio Holmes or Chad Jackson after getting TO in FA??? How many 4 wr sets do you see the Cowboys run?
NO way.
There will be guys who fit a position of need that will be availabe at 18.
I like the idea of getting the best available player but I just do not see a player(other than Bunkley maybe) who falls to us that is ranked so far ahead of guys who play a position that we need.
 

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I half way agree with Rack and TD3. If we did get Carpetner, we would be taking a fantastic player. On the other hand, the same goes for Lawson and Wimbley.

Let's put it this way, we can't go wrong if all 3 are on the board.
 

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Why exactly do we NEED to draft defense in the first round? We have just as many needs on offense ( particularly OL)..... I think you're all falling in love with the idea of having the #1 defense in the NFL, which is fine, but we need to score too. I don't think TO solved ALL of our problems on offense..........
 

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AmericasTeam31 said:
Why exactly do we NEED to draft defense in the first round? We have just as many needs on offense ( particularly OL)..... I think you're all falling in love with the idea of having the #1 defense in the NFL, which is fine, but we need to score too. I don't think TO solved ALL of our problems on offense..........

That is the same why I feel. I think Singleton is just fine at the strong side. I would like to see the Cowboys trade out of the first and get a high 2nd and 3rd round or trade their pick to Indy for their first and 2nd round picks.

1. (low) Eric Winston - (talented and wants to be a Cowboy). Had a great workout recentely
2. Duece Lutui - Got his weight to 338 lbs and wants to be 330 lbs by the
start of the NFL season. Certainly worth a 2nd rounder with his weight in check.
2. (low) Jonathan Joseph - CB that runs a 4.31. Henry could move to FS.
3. Martin Nance - Big WR with good speed. Reminds alot of scouts of TO.
 

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AmericasTeam31 said:
Why exactly do we NEED to draft defense in the first round? We have just as many needs on offense ( particularly OL)..... I think you're all falling in love with the idea of having the #1 defense in the NFL, which is fine, but we need to score too. I don't think TO solved ALL of our problems on offense..........
It basically boils down two major needs on offense and two major needs on defense.

Offensive Needs
1. OL - Basically this is less of a need because we addressed it in FA and Flo is coming back. Also, it shouldn't necessarily be addressed at #18 because we can get similar quality players in round 2.

2. Future WR - Of course we do not have immediate needs at the WR position. We do however need to develop some young WRs for the future. The conventional wisdom, though, is that this need isn't sufficient to warrant a first round pick, who would basically be relegated to kick/punt returns his first year.

Defensive Needs

1. OLB - Plain and simple we need an OLB opposite Ware. Singleton and Burnett are major question marks.

2. FS - Major need in most people's opinion but we've got so much money tied up in the secondary that we're not going to use a #1 on FS.

Conclusion - OLB is the biggest need that can be addressed with a first round pick.
 

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AmericasTeam31 said:
Why exactly do we NEED to draft defense in the first round? We have just as many needs on offense ( particularly OL)..... I think you're all falling in love with the idea of having the #1 defense in the NFL, which is fine, but we need to score too. I don't think TO solved ALL of our problems on offense..........

You have to back to the late 90's to find a team that won the superbowl without a great defense - "The Greatest Show on Turf." Today's NFL is about great defense and good enough offense. We are two players away from having a great defense. Even if we spent our draft on the offensive side of the ball, we wont have a great offense next year. The only thing keeping our offense from being great is our offensive line. No matter what we do in the draft, our offensive line will not be great next year. We've done a good job adding depth, and it certainly couldn't hurt to add more depth on the offensive line, but it's the FS and OLB positions that will make or break the season for us.

BTW, TO doesn't solve any of our offensiive problems. Fabini and Kosier do.
 

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If all we needed was a run stopper we could get by with Singleton and some other patchwork free agents. Since we need more than a run stopper we're drafting a young QB hungry stud in the first.


For the strong side you need a run stopper with some pass rush skills.

Carpenter fits that bill better then anyone in the draft.



Because Demarcus Ware can be moved to the strong side.

WHY would you do that?



The Cowboys asked him to get up to 260 for a reason.


Here we go again...

:rolleyes:


Cleveland will take either Bunkly or Ngata.


Bunkly is a 3 technique. Cleveland runs a 3-4. They won't draft Bunkly.



I wonder which player his better football instincts, Carpenter or Lawson?


Lawson's own coach said he doesn't have the instincts to play LB.

That's all I'm gonna say about that. Don't feel like arguing with any more brick walls.



I think the OLB talk is a bit academic because the Cowboys are going to draft an OT.

Very well could end up that way. Especially if Winston Justice is available (doubtful he will be though).



Whoever we get neither is going to stay at S or WOLB. They're going to switch so much that the distinction will be minimal.


Why do you think that? What gives you the impression we'd be switching them? Hell, Ware barely switched last year. He played ROLB almost every snap, even when he was the SOLB.



However, at 255, I see him being moved inside.


You don't really understand the 3-4, do you?


Now that the Cowboys have already acquired Akin Ayodele, and Bradie James had a breakout season in 2005, does the priority for acquiring Carpenter drop?


No cuz he's an outside LB, and if he goes to a 3-4 team he will remain an outside LB.



I think Carp would fit well at OLB and would have the starting job there by week 3 or 4.


Agreed. Don't know why anyone thinks he'd be moved inside. He even pointed out his weight. Ware is being asked to gain 10 lbs, does that mean we're moving him inside? lol



You also have to ask yourself is there any reason why the pick at #18 has to start this year.


Ummm... YES, that would be preferred.



Conclusion - OLB is the biggest need that can be addressed with a first round pick.

:hammer:


The only Tackle I feel comfortable drafting in the first round is Justice.


I don't feel comfortable with any of the safeties at 18.

I'll literally hurt someone if we draft a WR in the first round (none of them are worth a first this year. Period).
 
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