The Little Things In Denver (Dallas Comments)

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Alexander said:
And do what, start a revolution ?
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What revolution? By sharing with other guys on D they'd gain the same benefits he claims to have gotten from the tells. The coaches needn't really have known what cues the players were acting on. They'd likely have been happy not knowing so long as it was working.
 
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Outlaw Heroes said:
What revolution? By sharing with other guys on D they'd gain the same benefits he claims to have gotten from the tells. The coaches needn't really have known what cues the players were acting on. They'd likely have been happy not knowing so long as it was working.
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So if the staff is saying don't look at tells, execute the play that is called, how is that not basically ignoring the game plan?
 
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Alexander said:
So if the staff is saying don't look at tells, execute the play that is called, how is that not basically ignoring the game plan?
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Ware claims in the article to have relied on the tells himself, notwithstanding what the staff said. So the only real question is whether he should have gone further in flouting what obviously seemed a silly rule to him. Given that he was already in an ends-justify-means mindset when he ignored staff's wishes, principle and results (which were fundamentally what he was standing on in ignoring the coaches) would seem to dictate that he should have shared the info with his teammates.

At any rate, your post seems to imply that relying on tells is incompatible with executing the game plan. I don't see that. How is cheating towards playing run because the tackle has tipped run with his set-up ignoring the game plan?
 
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Outlaw Heroes said:
At any rate, your post seems to imply that relying on tells is incompatible with executing the game plan. I don't see that. How is cheating towards playing run because the tackle has tipped run with his set-up ignoring the game plan?
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If the play called states he should play contain and he goes off his own tell and breaks assignment, that is a problem.

I am not defending the staff or Ware. Nobody knows the small details.

But to suggest he should just lead his own thing and influence others to ignore the coaching staff's direction? That is not the best thing.

Coaching staffs are not infallible either. You can look at our defensive output for a while to see that is true.

I am just more disappointed that he was just dismissed.
 
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Idgit said:
Ware didn't do anything really, really bad, like cut his finger making soup during a bye week or have a friend wear baggy pants at a mall or anything, but he was the kind of unproductive malcontent we're just better off not having on the roster, all the same. If a guy's getting beat by rookies and all his big plays come when it doesn't matter, I mean, what's the point of having him at all?
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The benefit of winning a SuperBowl while playing along with 1 0f the two best defensive players in the league allows you to talk a lot of shart
 

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Alexander said:
In coaching, details matter. If I had a player, especially a great one like Ware calling this out, I don't understand why anyone would shut him down.
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Ummmm his coach in Dallas for awhile happens to be the defensive coordinator in Denver right now.

Anyhow 5-1. Maybe the Broncos will see the Dallas offense in January, the tendency will be to run all over them.
 
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mrmojo said:
I love how this forum loves to bash our former HOF players from the dynasty days to make their point.
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Yeah..

its the disrespect of the younger generation.

we have generations of fans here..the younguns need to stop thinking DAK and Zeke are going to become a dynasty.

This is the Cowboys..the Heartbreak Kids of the NFL.

Each year management floats a balloon proclaiming things are fine..

then it develops a slow leak about the end of November and usually a flatline in December...

when all the air squirts out in a rush.

Wait and lets see..we have been setup for so long for failure this team has alot to prove.

And the great teams of the past are the foundation of anybody believing in this team now.

We older fans have seen great things..20 straight winning seasons..5 SB trophys..

A dozen Hof F players..

all older teams..

The new team of '16 has to start a new streak or three..
 
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dfense said:
Ware says that like he wasn't allowed to notice those things. Why wouldn't he just act on it anyways?

Talib, might as well shoot his mouth off. At least it's not his leg.
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He did. Read the article again carefully. He said he was the only one who used tendencies on the team when he was in Dallas.
 
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Alexander said:
In coaching, details matter. If I had a player, especially a great one like Ware calling this out, I don't understand why anyone would shut him down.
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Yeah that is very weird. You usually wouldn't get that from one of your star players and when you did....I would think you'd take notice.
 
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dfense said:
Ware says that like he wasn't allowed to notice those things. Why wouldn't he just act on it anyways?

Talib, might as well shoot his mouth off. At least it's not his leg.
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LOL he did exactly that. He basically said "Oh well....." and kept focusing on this. It was the rest of the team i'm assuming by his comments that just didn't care which is funny. Amazing that you have a future Hall of Famer willing to do those little things yet no one thought to copy and see what was making him so dominate........
 
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