The Lost Art of Sports Journalism

TheSkaven;3250024 said:
I don't believe that the reporter was right. All one needs to do is witness how many fans come out to training camp each year. That's right, training camp, where they sit in the bleachers and watch football players practice.

And how many of us would love to be there and take in every detail, but can't be there?

It feels to me like there is a real market for more in-depth journalism. I could be wrong.
There is. The "no demand for it" answer is a lame excuse because 1) the reporters are too lazy to do it (hard to report on each play when you're talking to your buds on your celly behind the beachers -- JJT) and/or 2) they don't know enough about what they're looking at to even report on it.

Just look at Albert Breer. He wrote detailed, substantial training camp pieces like this and was loved for it. But he only lasted a year because Sporting News hired him. I guarantee you he told his friends back in Boston how inane and insipid those DFW media guys were.

But back to the point as a whole... Pro wrestling gets better ratings than Nat Geo. Romance novels outsell great literature. It's just the (sad) way it is.
 
THUMPER;3249984 said:
Great stuff YR! :bow:

Where did the media get the idea that they somehow have a Constitutional right to keep their "sources" anonymous? I've read the U.S Constitution and the Bill of Rights many times and cannot find anywhere this supposed "right" they hold so sacred.

There is a great 80s movie called "Absence of Malice" with Paul Newman and Sally Field where Wilford "Diabeetus" Brimley points out to Field that in the dirt piece she wrote on Newman her sources are NOT protected by law and she can in fact be jailed for refusing to give them up.

I've always said that there's nothing wrong with anonymous sources. Without them, so many stories would never be brought to light. Journalism standards do require that you have at least 3 anonymous sources when you are reporting a story, but almost nobody ever follows that.

Even that isn't really the issue.

The issue is that Mr. Hair Piece's stories are usually inaccurate and/or blatantly false. Just because you say 'well, my anonymous source told me that' doesn't mean that you are doing your job. You're actually supposed to take the info and try to verify it as best possible and if it is inaccurate, then it should fall on the REPORTER for being false.

And even still, I can understand the very occasional time where a story is wrong because a source provided you bad info and you thought you verified it, but it still wound up being inaccurate.

But this inaccuracy is almost Mr. Hair Piece's calling card as a reporter and IMO, and I know this sounds harsh, but he should be fired from his job. A HUGE part of his job as a reporter is to be credible in the stories he reports. When the lion's share of his stories are inaccurate or false, then it's tough to take them with credibility. And by continuing to employ him, it makes ESPN look non-credible and that filters over making fellow ESPN reporters look non-credible because if ESPN is willing to look past Mr. Hair Piece's woeful reporting track record, then they probably don't look into the other reporter's accuracy and credibility.

Chris Mortensen reported a story on the Raiders a year ago and the Raiders called him a 'liar' and stated that Mort never spoke to anybody in the organization. When Mort was quizzed about it, he admitted that he never talked to anybody in their organization because he didn't feel, based on past problems he had with the Raiders, that they deserved to get their story told. That's bad journalism 101, you're always supposed to *attempt* to get both sides of the story.

The same stuff happens with most of the local Dallas goons in the sports media. Same ole BS, same ole lack of integrity, ethics and professionalism.

Sources are not protected in cases of the actual law and I can see why editors and newspapers would not want to inquire about an employees' anonymous sources. But when the accuracy of their reports is abysmal and they keep quoting anonymous sources, the newspaper/editor needs to tell them that they need to do a much better job of verifying their sources or ask who these sources are and see if there's a plausible reason for these sources being inaccurate.





YAKUZA
 
Yakuza Rich;3250117 said:
I've always said that there's nothing wrong with anonymous sources. Without them, so many stories would never be brought to light. Journalism standards do require that you have at least 3 anonymous sources when you are reporting a story, but almost nobody ever follows that.

Sources are not protected in cases of the actual law and I can see why editors and newspapers would not want to inquire about an employees' anonymous sources. But when the accuracy of their reports is abysmal and they keep quoting anonymous sources, the newspaper/editor needs to tell them that they need to do a much better job of verifying their sources or ask who these sources are and see if there's a plausible reason for these sources being inaccurate.

I don't blame Ed Weirder as much as I do ESPN for allowing him to continue.
 
FuzzyLumpkins;3249108 said:
I understand that youre saying about professional pride but whats happened is pretty obvious.

Youre original assumption is wrong. People don't get into sports journalism because they love to write. They do it because they love sports. Pretty much every guy in this place would jusp at the oppurtunity to write for the DMN.

Combine that with the progression of cable TV and the subsequent diminishing of the newspaper and you get what weve gotten.

And sorry Hos but while Secratariat's eulogy is well written I just don't see how that shows that no one writes well now. I could buy it if it was written before the Belmont in 1973. Its a piece written after the death of an American sporting icon.

I'm pretty sure that Michael Jordan will have some well written verbage about him after he croaks.

PS I forgot about that Jets fan masquerading as a Cowboys fan for those years.

Heck no I never want to be a sport journalist I lack the talent to write an article of quality not my forte in any walk of my life. I suck and writing logn draw out stories it a coherent manner. When it comes to work I am a lot like my dad (i did learn it from him) if you are not going to do it right then don't do it at all. So I would never jump at the chance to write for sports even though I love sports.

Would a lot of guys I sure there are but there is a large group that want nothing to do with writing columns and stories.
 
Nice, Hos.

Worthy of the time it took to read unlike most of what's published today. Of any length.
 
Hostile, read your post on Om's board......nicely done! Was the column that set you off the one by Jennifer Floyd Engel?
 
Good read Hos.

At first it was tl/dr

but then I realized I was in journalism in high school and this kinda struck a cord with me.
 
Hos' comments made me go back and read some of the old sportswriters articles. Here is Bob St John writing about the loss in the Ice Bowl.
St John is the author of several books on the Cowboys.

it is long but i figure if you are reading this thread that won't matter.
just look at the differences in how this is written and how a story today
would be written.


Paradise Lost Once Again for Cowboys In Final Seconds
Packers win, 21-17
1/1/1968
By BOB ST. JOHN / The Dallas Morning News


The Green Bay Packers, as they had a year ago, broke the hearts of the Dallas Cowboys in the twilight hour Sunday to reign once again as champions of the National Football League and all that's holy in professional sports.

Somebody got their settings mixed up. Conditions were impossible. Temperatures zipped to 13 degrees below at gametime and were unfit for man and beast and especially football. And the turf here at Lambeau Field, which was not supposed to freeze because of an electrical heating system under the ground, froze. None of these things, however, mattered to the Packers, who turned in a terrible swift sword as usual when the moment of truth arrived.

Dallas did not die easily at all and the final blow did not come until Bart Starr's 6-inch quarterback sneak on third down with 13 seconds remaining on the clock. This gave the Packers a 21-17 victory, which had the tension and some of the excitement of the title game in the Cotton Bowl last year if not the comfort.

There was actually a big gamble on the winning play. The balance of the NFL hung on it. Green Bay had no time-outs left after Starr stopped the clock with 16 seconds left to discuss things with Vince Lombardi. Twice, Donny Anderson had failed to score from inside the Cowboy 1, and when Starr called his own number it is doubtful if the Packers could have run another play had he not scored ... much less put their field goal on the field to try and tie the contest, sending it into sudden death overtime.

THE PLAY showed the confidence a champion has. Normally, you might expect a pass where Starr could have thrown wild, stopping the block if a receiver has not been open and allowing time for a field goal try.
But Starr went against the percentage, bet everything on one hand and won the whole pot, and, incidentally, an unprecedented third straight title for the Packers — their fifth in seven years.

The way Green Bay lit out for the Dallas goalline was somewhat surprising if you forgot for a minute this was Green Bay. After the Packers had put up their second TD early in the second period, the Dallas Doomsday Defense had held them with a lone first down and that came on a pass interference call.

But Starr, with the coolness peculiar to those performing an autopsy, took his club the winning 68 yards in 12 plays. Dallas slowed GB down just once. Willie Townes slung Anderson for a 9-yard loss to back up the Packers with a second-and-19 at their own 49. Starr, confused much of the afternoon by a good rush and the fact the Dallas secondary was rolling — sliding its safeties for a change, went to Anderson, his running back, on short passes. The first carried 12 yards and the second, on third-and-seven, went nine yards as Donny just barely escaped Chuck Howley.

That third down play was the key. Starr quickly hit Chuck Mercein on a short throw and the play carried 19 yards. Soon it was first-and-goal inside the 1 and the Dallas defense repelled Anderson twice. Starr called his own number to the right — going at Jethro Pugh and Townes. By keeping the ball, Starr didn't permit the Cowboys to key off the running backs. Center Ken Bowman and guard Jerry Kramer doubled Pugh to push him back. Willie submarined on Forest Gregg, who fell on top of him. Starr was in with room to spare.

This loss to the Packers hurt even more than last year's when the Cowboys fell 34-27. Then, Dallas came within two yards of tying the game. This time they came within a hair of winning ... due to Ol' Reliable, the Danny Reeves to Lance Rentzel halfback pass.

The Cowboys, trailing 14-10, stood at midfield on the first play of the final period. Both Packer right cornerback Bob Jeter and free safety Willie Wood are all-pro, which speaks for itself. But each one is extremely active coming up to play the run. Wood, in fact, though he is a safety, often comes up to force the play. Willie came up when Reeves started wide to his left. So did Jeter, who should have stayed on Rentzel. Lance took off, Reeves stopped and lofted a perfect pass, of course, which Rentzel ran under between the 15-20 and outraced the other safety, Tom Brown, for the TD.

That stung, giving Dallas a 17-14 lead, and the advantage, which it could not hold. Green Bay got the ball twice in the fourth period before its winning drive and could not move. The Cowboy offense kept the ball for almost five minutes before GB got it the last time with 4:50 to go ... and proportionately ate up the yards and time.

This was the coldest championship game ever played and, though it would be unfair to the Packer fans to move another such game elsewhere, it IS unfair to the players and the magnitude of the contest itself to take a chance on playing in these conditions again.
A weatherman had predicted 12 above zero and he missed by 25 degrees. The field was partially frozen at gametime as the electric blanket of wiring could not cope with the extreme elements. Bu the end of the game the whole field was frozen, and it will likely take icepicks to get all of the 50,861 fans out of the stadium.

Each defensive team asserted itself as expected, though really neither the offensive nor defensive teams can really be gauged accurately unless the game had been hockey. Green Bay shut off the Cowboy attack in the first half with 42 yards, though the offense warmed up enough to net 192 for the game. Doomsday Defense did everything but win the game when it had a chance in the end. GB finished with 195 net yards, but was shut off with just 87 net in the second half and, take away the winning TD drive, the Packers had only 19 net yards after intermission. Furthermore, Doomsday scored a touchdown to save whet could have turned into a rout after GB had mounted a 14-0 lead.

Starr was thrown eight times for 76 yards in losses which would probably be a record if they kept such records in championship games. This was due as much to his indecision — has receivers were covered and he had not expected the safeties to roll — as the rush. George Andrie, who scored the TD from 7 yards out after Townes had knocked Starr loose from the ball, was a ringleader, throwing Bart for losses of 10, 16, and 9 yards (with Bob Lilly's help) and also contributing to Pugh's throwing of Starr for a 2-yard loss. Starr also had a pass blocked by Lilly and another tipped by Dave Edwards.

Don Meredith, who just could not throw in this weather, was trapped just once behind fine protection and this was because he failed to read a key on linebacker Lee Roy Caffey. At times throwing the ball could be likened to throwing a wet brick with a long stick. Don hit only 10 of 25 for 59 yards and Starr, more used to the cold and a guy who could throw under any conditions, was better, finding his receivers 14 times in 24 attempts for 191 yards.

Most of this came on Green Bay's first and third possessions of the game. The Packers took the ball 82 yards in 14 plays the first time they got it and two penalties kept the push alive.
GB had a second and 19 at its own 23 when Starr went to tight end Marv Fleming. Mike Gaechter slapped the ball down and an official threw a flag for interference, though not a Cowboy will believe it. It was an automatic first down at the 32. Then of third and five from the Dallas 47, Starr threw incomplete up the middle. Townes was called for holding Fleming, who went to the sidelines on a route. Starr didn't need much more help. He'd planned to pick mostly on cornerback Mike Johnson and was successful on this drive. Johnson, feeling like he was on skates, was burned by Carroll Dale for 17 and 15 yard completions and by Boyd Dowler for an 8-yard TD pass with 6:10 left in the opening period.

The first time GB got the ball in the second period it scored again. Starr moved the club from its own 35 to the Dallas 43 in three plays and on third and one — against Dallas' goalline 6-1 defense — he went for the bomb. Johnson failed to spot Dowler and Boyd was all alone, with Mel Renfro the closest pursuer, for the tally.

Doomsday shut down an excellent Packer attempt, which started at the Dallas 32 after Herb Adderley intercepted Meredith's pass, and then scored itself.
Danny Villanueva, who had a good day under the circumstances and outpunted Anderson by just over 10 yards a kick, got Dallas out of the hole for the first time in the half by booming a 43-yard punt. Green Bay was penalized five yards and, facing first and 15 at his own 26, Starr faded to pass. Townes jolted him loose from the ball and Andrie scooped it up at the seven and went in with 4:04 left in the half. Villanueva punted again just before the half and Wood fumbled at his 17, with Phil Clark claiming it for Dallas. The Cowboys couldn't move but Dallas kicked home a 21-yard field goal 32 seconds before the half, bringing the Cowboys within four points.

The offense thawed out after the half and Meredith began to hit his passes. Dandy took Dallas 76 yards for nothing. Starting at their own 11, Dallas moved down GB's throat to the Packer 22. Meredith ran nine yards to the 13 — gold field goal position — but fumbled and Adderley recovered.
Things kept going the Cowboys' way, though, until the jolt at the end. So once again the Cowboys are second best. When you're No. 2 twice, you hurt a lot more.



http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sharedc...recordbook/yearbyyear/1967/010168packers.html
 
That was a great read poke. Nothing like what we get now. You don't feel anything.
 
I didn't read all of the posts throughout this thread, but Hos makes a good point about a loss of journalism and research.....the same though can be said about the media in general especially when it comes to politics....things that were a news story 10+ years ago are not even researched or anything nowadays. And it's gotten worse in the last two....substantially.

It makes you wonder what they are teaching in Journalism classes nowadays.
 
Hostile;3249054 said:
I will never understand some people.

I assume you would get into journalism because you love to write. So then why become a hack instead of a writer? A hack is literally someone who writes low quality pieces that are rushed to print. (Incidentally, and I don't mean this to be flippant, but that is why Ed Werder isn't a hack. He is a talking face, not a writer. What he delivers to us is spoken versions of what hacks do give us.)

Why put effort into learning a discipline and then abandon it? Today, the sports journalists want sound bites and angles. Anything that will cause a buzz, because a buzz means traffic. Good or bad traffic sells.

Part of the problem is that a lot of people in journalism never learned "a discipline."

I know this isn't exactly what you're ranting about, but when I was getting my master's degree in journalism, the things college students turned in as articles amazed me. I worked for the school paper as its copy editor and the stuff turned in lacked in about every way possible, making me wonder how many of the writers even got into college.

Eventually in my career I made my way back to being a copy editor at a major newspaper after being a sports editor for small ones, and found out the same problems exist in the profession that I saw at the school. You wouldn't believe what a lot of articles look like before the editors get ahold of them.

What makes it tougher is that so many writers are now influenced by the ESPN school of journalism, where they want to go "boom" and "boo-ya" instead of doing their job of providing the facts and letting the fans draw the conclusions. That's our job ... we are the people's eyes, not the people's minds.

Now, of course, columnists are expected to give their opinions, but it seems to me there are more and more articles that read like columns these days than good, old-fashioned reporting. The facts have given way to flash with little or no substance to it.
 
Hostile;3251541 said:
That was a great read poke. Nothing like what we get now. You don't feel anything.

yea you do. just nothing to be proud of.

shock jocks from the radio made it to the web.

sucks.
 
sorry guys i cant help myself.

this is from the 1969 season in the Playoff Bowl after losing to the Browns in the Eastern Conference Championship game, 38-14.

i promise i will quit after this one but since it is the off season and some of you may get tired of reading fire everybody threads here is a
link to a website where you can read all the old Cowboy articles
from the DMN.
http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/classic/recordbook/yearbyyear/

just click the year you want, then click the game score for the article.

heres one i really liked.

Gabriel Riddles Doomsday, 31-0
1/4/1970
By BOB ST. JOHN / The Dallas Morning News

MIAMI – It rained here Saturday. Why not?
The Dallas Cowboys took right up where they left off against Cleveland and
about all you can say is that the Cowboys open training camp in Thousand
Oaks, Calif., in about six months.

The reason the Los Angeles Rams and Dallas Cowboys were gathered here was the NFL's Playoff Bowl and the Rams, uninspired, walked away with a 31-0 victory.

Now, the game actually wasn't decided until the Rams went ahead, 7-0. It was the first shutout the Cowboys' multiple offense had ever suffered in any regular or post season game. Oh, there was a shutout back in 1965 in pre-season if you count that for the truth.

Dallas suffered numerous injuries, including what appears a serious one to Mike Gaechter, who got ruptured Achilles tendon. Calvin Hill, like Gaechter, went out in the first half with a reinjured – already injured – toe.
But some of their teammates also finished the season long before this game was over.

The winner's share was $1,200 for the Rams and the loser's share of $500 went to the Cowboys, though some of them were obviously overpaid.

Deacon Jones and Roman Gabriel were named the most valuable players on offense and defense, respectfully and respectively, though they had a great deal of help from the Cowboy blockers and pass defense.

Dallas began its move on the game's second play. Craig Morton threw to Pettis Norman and Richie Petibon took the ball away from the Cowboy tight end, giving the Rams the ball at the Dallas 30. After a 5-yard loss, Gabriel hit Les Josephson, all alone, on a little flare pass, and the Ram running back scampered over on a 35-yard play, outrunning Dave Edwards – the only guy within shouting distance of him.
Strangely, the Cowboys moved the ball right downfield on their second and third possessions, pushing from their own 21 to the Los Angeles 8 and from their own 20 to the Ram 7, though a trap on third down placed the ball back to the Ram 15.
Each time Dallas had to settle for a field goal try from Mike Clark. The first was from 16 yards out and the second from 22. Clark ended all speculation, carried over from the Cleveland game, when he struck the ball both times with his foot. However, both kicks were bad. Thus, any desert for a long day's drive was taken away from the Cowboys each time and you can't do this to Dallas and expect anything good to happen. Obviously, it did not.

The defense did have its moments but Gabriel hit Doomsday for four big plays – each carrying for touchdowns. The first went to Josephson, the second and fourth to split end Jack Snow, who got behind Cornell Green for a 67-yard score in the first period and duplicated the act by putting tracks between himself and aging rookie Otto Brown for a 49-yard touchdown bomb with 1:26 left in the final period. The other score carried for 16 yards to tight end Bob Klein.

Bruce Gossett finished the day's scoring by kicking a huge 42-yard field goal, but Gossett no doubt had the angle while Clark did not.
"Each one of my field goals missed by less than a foot," said Clark. "One to the left ... one to the right."

Gabriel finished the afternoon like most passers have against the Cowboys this season, hitting 12 of 17 for 224 yards and four touchdowns. After last week, he had contemplated retirement but changed his mind.
"When I went out and put my uniform on today," said Gabe, "I had mixed emotions (about retirement). But after the game today, I'll be back."
"All things considered," said George Allen, who may have been talking to Ram owner Dan Reeves, "I thought we had a terrific game ... the best we've had in four years."

This was also the Rams first shutout since 1954, though the Cowboys probably won't be given enough credit for it.
Tom Landry had said earlier in the week that, in a game like this, the club that got the breaks early would probably get something going and win.
All he could say after game was ditto.
Dallas was behind. 14-0, at halftime and Landry said, "we had to score the first time we got the ball to get back in the game in the second half and we didn't. They did and that was the game."

"We had the chances," said Pettis Norman, "but we just couldn't score."
Walt Garrison, playing to the end, was the game's top rusher with 47 yards and a 3.5 average and Hill was next, though he went out for keeps in the second period. Hill picked up 36 yards on eight tries. The Rams had nobody with much rushing yardage, but you don't have to rush when you can pass, everybody around the NFL is saying.

Dallas ran its most exciting play in the second period. Roger Staubach handed to halfback Danny Reeves, who bounced it to Ram linebacker Jack Pardee. Pardee took off and then bounced the ball back to Staubach, who took off for a 12-yard gain.
The key to this play is perfect bounce passes.

Morton hit just nine of 18 passes for 180 yards, with Bobby Hayes nabbing three for 50 yards. At the tail end of the first drive of the day, Morton threw to Lance Rentzel in the end zone but the Cowboy flanker couldn't hold the low throw and that was the only time Dallas almost got into the end zone.
Staubach managed just one of six but the Rams trapped the Cowboy quarterbacks six times for 50 yards in losses. Morton took the brunt five times and must have wondered if it was all worth it.

But if you want to know the truth, this game meant nothing whatsoever. Well could have meant that the Cowboys, who have blown some big ones, proved that they could also blow a little one.

the red highlighted parts struck me as so funny, this piece is pretty critical of the Boys but it just doesn't seem to be done in a mean-spirited way.

hope ya'll enjoy
 
Did Landry hold press conferences after games? Did Tex?

I honestly don't remember, but I don't think they did.

I think the after game press conferences contribute to the poor standards. I love them but i hate the articles they generate. They are almost all very poorly written and focus on one or two subjects that the writers have an issue with rather than the whole picture.
 
It sort of had an Anna Sewell feel to me. By the way, whatever happened to LaTunaNostra?
 
CowboyMcCoy;3251592 said:
It sort of had an Anna Sewell feel to me. By the way, whatever happened to LaTunaNostra?

Took the same flight outta Dallas as Bill Parcells.
 
CowboyMcCoy;3251592 said:
It sort of had an Anna Sewell feel to me. By the way, whatever happened to LaTunaNostra?
She still drops by to visit and still roots for the Cowboys, but she promised her husband she would step back from here. When she was a Mod with us she devoted a lot of time here and it kind of caused a rift. I am still in touch with her now and then. Good person. I miss working with her and I miss reading her stuff.
 
Hostile;3251600 said:
She still drops by to visit and still roots for the Cowboys, but she promised her husband she would step back from here. When she was a Mod with us she devoted a lot of time here and it kind of caused a rift. I am still in touch with her now and then. Good person. I miss working with her and I miss reading her stuff.

Ah, then I recant my previous statement.
 
CowboyMcCoy;3251611 said:
Ah, then I recant my previous statement.

Check the post history, it matches up with people like "KingTuna". If she posts under a different name, whatever, I just take things at face value.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
465,962
Messages
13,907,170
Members
23,793
Latest member
Roger33
Back
Top