The Missing Motivator - FEAR

[Diehardblues]

Garrett benched Demarco Murray for fumbling back in 2014. They also took briefly benched Randle the next season when he extended the ball over the goal line in that Saints game after they told him not to.

The fear thing sounds good. Not sure it applies in the NFL right now. What does happen, though, is a staff will go after a players playing time. Like when we inactivated Mayowa last season. Hitting playing time goes right to earning potential, and it's a big deal.

It's also worth nothing that several players have said that what Garrett and staff do in meetings is totally different from what they'll do in press conferences, and that they reportedly get on players pretty good for mistakes in private.

Our issue isn't fear. We've got a good team, but not a very good or great one. Our issue this year was insufficient talent. There's really no need to go looking further than that.

Where was the fear thing when Dez walked off the field or Hardy knocked the clipboard out of coaches hand ?

Garrett doesn’t have the final word. The culture is on all Jerry. Garrett holds this team together best he can.

 

[northerncowboynation]

Does anyone remember the day when we gave JG credit for building a team of high character guys? I do. it was 2014. We said how he had changed the culture.He was doing things the right way. I suppose that WAS 3 years ago but we said it!! I understand it's a "what have you don for me lately" thing.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yeah, that was tongue in cheek!!!

We had quite a few self-motivated guys on those super bowl teams. Emmit, Troy, Irvin, Haley, Casillas, Hennings, Step, and a host of others were all self motivated.

Where Jimmy did his job was motivating guys like Newton. Dude was only available to us in the first place because he was fat an lazy.

Yep and we lost that leadership with Jimmy. Troy lashed out about it under Switzer to no avail.

This current culture is all on Jerry. Parcells couldn’t influence it enough either. Garrett has held it together I think pretty well considering which is one of his best assets to the team IMO.

 

[Diehardblues]

Does anyone remember the day when we gave JG credit for building a team of high character guys? I do. it was 2014. We said how he had changed the culture.He was doing things the right way. I suppose that WAS 3 years ago but we said it!! I understand it's a "what have you don for me lately" thing.

Garrett doesn’t have the power to change the culture . What he’s attempted to do is hold it together thru all the distractions.

 

[Idgit]

Where was the fear thing when Dez walked off the field or Hardy knocked the clipboard out of coaches hand ?

Garrett doesn’t have the final word. The culture is on all Jerry. Garrett holds this team together best he can.

Meh. Hardy reportedly went after the coach and called him names in meetings. That got him off the team and into MMA when he blew his last shot in the NFL.

Not sure what Dez incident you're referring to exactly because there have been several, but Dez is a fiery dude. He's persona non grata among Cowboys fans right now, but he's developed into a team leader over the years who has a lot of respect for the HC, and nobody would ever accuse him of not working hard.

You're right that Jerry enables the culture and lets players go to him directly and will overrule his coaches when it comes to it. Darren Woodson has said that that's always been an issue with Jerry's leadership, and it's obviously a problem. But it's been a problem since he bought the team. Coaches have proven they can win despite his meddling. And it's not going to change, anyway.

Regardless, it's not the case that the team isn't motivated to win. It's the case that we're not as good as we need to be. Scaring Chaz Green isn't going to make him block better. The fear of Red-Headed Jesus isn't going to help Jaylon Smith play better in substitution.

 

[kskboys]

Does anyone remember the day when we gave JG credit for building a team of high character guys? I do. it was 2014. We said how he had changed the culture.He was doing things the right way. I suppose that WAS 3 years ago but we said it!! I understand it's a "what have you don for me lately" thing.

Premature conclusions.

For some reason, people have this very strange need to rush to conclusions. They rush and are wrong 90% of the time, but man when they are right, you can't stop their crowing.

I'm to the point where I'm starting to give up on JG, due to some huge gaffes, but there's still time and he has come around in some ways. I truly believe at this point that he needs a better OC who gets the big pic of game calling, and someone who gets why a NT makes everyone on D more effective.

 

[northerncowboynation]

Here is a list of players who have been allowed to walk recently. I know none of them fear that because they'll sign big contracts somewhere else. Ware, Murray, Randle, Church, Claiborne, Leary, McClean and on and on. Yes, they were FA's no we don't know why the team let them walk other than another team paid them more. Fear IS not the motivator. Bye bye Lucky and guys still **** up. Money is the motivator. Lucky man still player for the Jets

 

[northerncowboynation]

Premature conclusions.

For some reason, people have this very strange need to rush to conclusions. They rush and are wrong 90% of the time, but man when they are right, you can't stop their crowing.

I'm to the point where I'm starting to give up on JG, due to some huge gaffes, but there's still time and he has come around in some ways. I truly believe at this point that he needs a better OC who gets the big pic of game calling, and someone who gets why a NT makes everyone on D more effective.

I'm at the point where I want JG gone to hear these mother's stop whining. Yeah, as if!! I know the next whine.... waaaaa they hired the wrong coach. Waaaa fire that guy the record is no better than JG's

 

[Diehardblues]

Meh. Hardy reportedly went after the coach and called him names in meetings. That got him off the team and into MMA when he blew his last shot in the NFL.

Not sure what Dez incident you're referring to exactly because there have been several, but Dez is a fiery dude. He's persona non grata among Cowboys fans right now, but he's developed into a team leader over the years who has a lot of respect for the HC, and nobody would ever accuse him of not working hard.

You're right that Jerry enables the culture and lets players go to him directly and will overrule his coaches when it comes to it. Darren Woodson has said that that's always been an issue with Jerry's leadership, and it's obviously a problem. But it's been a problem since he bought the team. Coaches have proven they can win despite his meddling. And it's not going to change, anyway.

Regardless, it's not the case that the team isn't motivated to win. It's the case that we're not as good as we need to be. Scaring Chaz Green isn't going to make him block better. The fear of Red-Headed Jesus isn't going to help Jaylon Smith play better in substitution.

There’s only one incident where Dez walked off the field before the game was over.

Yes, but Hardy should have been disciplined after the altercation on the field. Instead Jerry called him a leader . Unbelievable !!

The rest I agree with...

 

[kskboys]

I'm at the point where I'm giving up on JG to hear these mother's stop whining. I know the next whine.... waaaaa they hired the wrong coach. Waaaa fire that guy the record is no better than JG's

I pay almost zero attention to the whining. I'll jump in at times, yes, esp the completely moronic whining about Witten, but mostly I ignore it.

 

[northerncowboynation]

I'm at the point where I want JG gone to hear these mother's stop whining. Yeah, as if!! I know the next whine.... waaaaa they hired the wrong coach. Waaaa fire that guy the record is no better than JG's

I'. with you KSK completely when it comes to a new OC. Then we'll just whine wrong guy lol

 

[Diehardblues]

I'm at the point where I'm giving up on JG to hear these mother's stop whining. I know the next whine.... waaaaa they hired the wrong coach. Waaaa fire that guy the record is no better than JG's

There is no “ hiring the right coach with Jerry”. The closet we came this era was Parcells. But there’s no chance of bringing in anyone else like that anymore.

We’ve got to figure out another way assuming there is. Personally, I’ve come to accept this is probably about as close as we’ll get but 2014 and 2016 provides us some hope.

I still think elite talent is our best shot and why I’m so concerned with Dak. If we couldn’t surround Romo with enough not sure why we’d believe we will with Dak?

 

[kskboys]

Here is a list of players who have been allowed to walk recently. I know none of them fear that because they'll sign big contracts somewhere else. Ware, Murray, Randle, Church, Claiborne, Leary, McClean and on and on. Yes, they were FA's no we don't know why the team let them walk other than another team paid them more. Fear IS not the motivator. Bye bye Lucky and guys still **** up. Money is the motivator. Lucky man still player for the Jets

We do know. Money. You cannot pay everyone. Leary, TMac, MO, and Murray got more than their worth in FA. It was simply good business to let them walk. And even though I like Church, he still got more than he was worth.

Randle? He stooopided himself off the team. You don't remember?

 

[northerncowboynation]

I pay almost zero attention to the whining. I'll jump in at times, yes, esp the completely moronic whining about Witten, but mostly I ignore it.

Hard to ignore it comes up in every single thread. Even the ones not about JG or Dak or Dez or Witt eventually turn into threads about JG or Dak or Dez or Witt. We need one big humongous funeral pyre, throw them all in, weep and march on

 

[Dre11]

I am not talking about being afraid, I am talking about one of the greatest motivators next to self-preservation, the fear of failure.

The fear of failure is akin to the answer to the question "which is more motivating for action, the opportunity for gain or the avoidance of pain"? Anyone that's ever been in sales will tell you the avoidance of pain is by far the stronger motivator.

Where does that exist with the Cowboys? When has it existed since Booger bought the team? Johnson and Parcells instilled a level of fear that served to motivate even the players that were not in the line of fire. In case you missed it several years back, the account of the plane ride home after losing to the Eagles 44-6 and being done for the season was anything but sad. They were talking about vacations and there was far too much laughter allowed on that journey home. No team coached by the two I mentioned would have ever felt comfortable enough to even smile.

Add to this, Wade Phillips' request to increase the player fines to attempt to get it under control was not only denied, certain players had "media passes" and were allowed to be late for meetings. Textbook inmates running the asylum.

What happens when the Cowboys lose a game or a season? Not only nothing but excuses are made by the HC and GM. Remember that comment Booger made about "some were going to be uncomfortable at Valley Ranch"? That was assistant assistant coaches that their own families were unaware they were on the team.

This team has no fear. They do not fear management, coaching or even their own leaders. They do not have the basic fundamental factor for success, the fear of failure. Until that changes, they do not reach their full potential. The fear of failure makes people uncomfortable, do you see that with the Cowboys?

And How do you know this team has no fear? Or are you guessing? Just because they decide to keep things in house doesn't mean there's no fear.

 

[northerncowboynation]

We do know. Money. You cannot pay everyone. Leary, TMac, MO, and Murray got more than their worth in FA. It was simply good business to let them walk. And even though I like Church, he still got more than he was worth.

Randle? He stooopided himself off the team. You don't remember?

That was my point. Steps are taken. Players leave and are cut. We aren't privy to the reasons players are allowed to walk. We assume much.Coach's method of motivating by fear does not work with these guys. Most make more money than the Coach. If Zeke screws up again, I know how i'd handle it. How JJ handles it is another question all together

 

[kskboys]

I'. with you KSK completely when it comes to a new OC. Then we'll just whine wrong guy lol

Possibly.

The thing about JG is that at times, he can make the most brilliant calls on O. His problem is that he just doesn't get the every down playcalling. What he needs is someone more in tune w/ the rhythm of the game. Someone who understands the value of running the ball, chain moving, short and long passing, stuff like that.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Yep and we lost that leadership with Jimmy. Troy lashed out about it under Switzer to no avail.

This current culture is all on Jerry. Parcells couldn’t influence it enough either. Garrett has held it together I think pretty well considering which is one of his best assets to the team IMO.

Parcels basically said F-it, i'm too old for this cr ap. See ya

 

[kskboys]

That was my point. Steps are taken. Players leave and are cut. Coach's method of motivating by fear does not work with these guys. Most make more money than the Coach. If Zeke screws up again, I know how i'd handle it. How JJ handles it is another question all together

Yup. I think I get it, tough love and discipline, clear parameters of what is expected, and benching and fines are part of that. When Marion showed up in a Tshirt, throwing the middle finger at the dress code, he should've been suspended and fined.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Possibly.

The thing about JG is that at times, he can make the most brilliant calls on O. His problem is that he just doesn't get the every down playcalling. What he needs is someone more in tune w/ the rhythm of the game. Someone who understands the value of running the ball, chain moving, short and long passing, stuff like that.

Are you having 2007 flashbacks again?