CFZ The murky thinking behind the Trey Lance trade

[Walker]

Ok but if they extend Dak for two more years, what will that mean for Lance? I can’t make it make sense.

To be fair love from the packers sat behind Rogers for so many years. Lance is very young in terms of age so if he can start to do whatever love did in a couple years it will pay off for him.

 

[Rayman70]

To me it was a high risks. He was drafted with a low floor, high ceiling. Dumbest trade in the history of the NFL.

For a team with not a lot of draft picks and cap challenges is was a high risk on a player that has proven nothing at any level he has played in - HS, College or the NFL. He must have been one helluva a flag football player.

The niners spent premium resources to get him. Were they that bad at evaluation? Or could it be, the kid has tools, but for whatever reason, can't put it all together?

 

[Chasing6]

The niners spent premium resources to get him. Were they that bad at evaluation? Or could it be, the kid has tools, but for whatever reason, can't put it all together?

Tools that no one has ever seen.

If you some tools it is not hard to start at the HS level. If you have some tools, you get a scholarship in college.

Trance's agent has to be the best agent in the NFL.

 

[Rayman70]

Lance was in the perfect situation in SF and looked terrible. This is a franchise who gave the resources of personnel and the system in place to take Jimmy G and Purdy to the Super Bowl. If he couldn't succeed there, I have serious doubts he can succeed here. SF's coaching and system is light years ahead of ours.

I can argue that Shanahan was set on Jimmy G starting and didn't devote the time needed to develop him. He wanted to strike gold now, not wait. Look at Purdy. Maybe Lance needs time, and game reps. Confidence is a beautiful thing they say. It goes a long way, just a little of it.

 

[KJJ]

I'd be okay with any of these options, but the fact that there are all of these options is a good thing. But I also agree the Cowboys made a mistake not giving Lance more opportunities last year.

He didn’t get any opportunities because the trade didn’t happen until Aug 25. I thought they might come up with a package for him during the season as a situational QB but it never happened. You can bet he’ll get a lot of snaps in preseason this summer.

 

[Rayman70]

Dak had no business to be playing in that game down by thirty points with like 6 minutes to play…

Agree.

 

[Rayman70]

Tools that no one has ever seen.

If you some tools it is not hard to start at the HS level. If you have some tools, you get a scholarship in college.

Trance's agent has to be the best agent in the NFL.

At College he lit it up. So never is too strong a word. I think this year will be his last go round if he doesn't show something significant.

 

[Chasing6]

I can argue that Shanahan was set on Jimmy G starting and didn't devote the time needed to develop him. He wanted to strike gold now, not wait. Look at Purdy. Maybe Lance needs time, and game reps. Confidence is a beautiful thing they say. It goes a long way, just a little of it.

Shanahan never wanted to draft Trance. It was the scouting department and Lynch. Lynch is luckily he did not get fired. A bunch of teams most have sent out some great smoke screens to get the Niners to trade the farm for him.

I hope they make a money about it some day.

If Niners miss the SB window it will be due to trading for Trance.

 

[Toro9]

Lance was brought in as leverage, but there's more to it than we think. Rush has been 5-1 as a starter so there's no big thing about a backup QB.

I might see this as a Big Mac decision as opposed to a GM decision.

Sometimes when a guy has a chance to settle into as place he can be more successful than he would've been had he been thrust directly into a starting role. We've seen it time and time again.
I think Mac is trying to create another Rodgers. Or at least a poor man's Rodgers.

The Dak deal should be no more than 3 years with an opt-out in place. No trade clause. This is your last chance, Dakota.

That said, trade up next year if there's a stud at QB.

 

[Chasing6]

I can argue that Shanahan was set on Jimmy G starting and didn't devote the time needed to develop him. He wanted to strike gold now, not wait. Look at Purdy. Maybe Lance needs time, and game reps. Confidence is a beautiful thing they say. It goes a long way, just a little of it.

Look at Purdy stats in College. Look at Purdy's stats in HS. Purdy got plenty of time in HS and plenty of time in College. Trance got neither. Now the Niners have moved on.

You can not make up that lost time.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Lance was brought in as leverage, but there's more to it than we think. Rush has been 5-1 as a starter so there's no big thing about about a backup QB.

I might see this as a Big Mac decision as opposed to a GM decision.

Sometimes when a guy has a chance to settle into as place he can be more successful than he would've been had be been thrust directly into a starting role. We've seen it time and time again.
I think Mac is trying to create another Rodgers.

The Dak deal will no more than 3 years with an opt-out in place. No trade clause. This is your last chance, Dakota.

That said, trade up next year if there's a stud at QB. You only gave up two 4ths.

ok,lots of assumptions on this post. lots of wishful thinking. little facts.

If you think Lance gives leverage to Jerry and company, then Dak and his agent are laughing at you. Lance was 3rd stringerin SF. he was 3rd stringer in Dallas. he has shown nothing to show he has potential. SF gave up a bunch for him and then gave up after two years and took a 4th. that gives Dak leverage, if that's what you meant, then I agree.

and you said sometimes a guy has a chance to settle into a place.. you said that it has happened time and time again. as in often. who? which QBs sucked in one place. went somewhere else and found success. how often. I don't see that happening often. I see a lot more, A LOT MORE who become journey men going from team to team.

and I think 3 years is too much. Dallas needs a plan to get out in two years at most.

and I would wait to see who is available next year before trading up, for the sake of trading up.

 

[Toro9]

ok,lots of assumptions on this post. lots of wishful thinking. little facts.

If you think Lance gives leverage to Jerry and company, then Dak and his agent are laughing at you. Lance was 3rd stringerin SF. he was 3rd stringer in Dallas. he has shown nothing to show he has potential. SF gave up a bunch for him and then gave up after two years and took a 4th. that gives Dak leverage, if that's what you meant, then I agree.

and you said sometimes a guy has a chance to settle into a place.. you said that it has happened time and time again. as in often. who? which QBs sucked in one place. went somewhere else and found success. how often. I don't see that happening often. I see a lot more, A LOT MORE who become journey men going from team to team.

and I think 3 years is too much. Dallas needs a plan to get out in two years at most.

and I would wait to see who is available next year before trading up, for the sake of trading up

I'm not sure what to do here. I posted what I felt. I'm just a fan. I spit-ball to much maybe.
Bad enough you have to listen to SAS, now you have to read my sh!+. Well, ya don't.

 

[Chasing6]

ok,lots of assumptions on this post. lots of wishful thinking. little facts.

If you think Lance gives leverage to Jerry and company, then Dak and his agent are laughing at you. Lance was 3rd stringerin SF. he was 3rd stringer in Dallas. he has shown nothing to show he has potential. SF gave up a bunch for him and then gave up after two years and took a 4th. that gives Dak leverage, if that's what you meant, then I agree.

and you said sometimes a guy has a chance to settle into a place.. you said that it has happened time and time again. as in often. who? which QBs sucked in one place. went somewhere else and found success. how often. I don't see that happening often. I see a lot more, A LOT MORE who become journey men going from team to team.

and I think 3 years is too much. Dallas needs a plan to get out in two years at most.

and I would wait to see who is available next year before trading up, for the sake of trading up.

Let's be honest. Trance did not even get the reps to suck. If he did he would be in a much better place today. If he started the last 3 seasons and sucked, at least he would have 50 games under his belt.

 

[Runwildboys]

Last August, seemingly out of nowhere, Jerry Jones apparently made a fairly big decision without consulting his HC: He traded a 4th round pick to the 49ers in exchange for the niners former first round QB Trey Lance, who the niners had clearly decided was a mistake. Approximately six months and an entire regular season later, a clear purpose for this trade is still somewhat unclear if not strange.

Trey Lance has yet to take a meaningful snap for the Cowboys and was never on the game day roster this past season. Last off-season, the Cowboys had signed backup QB Cooper Rush to a two year, $5,000,000 contract. Rush has one more year on that deal but it does have a fairly painless out if they choose to release him as an upcoming post June 1 cut.

Also in this mix of head scratchers is the fact that Lance goes into 2024 on the last year of his rookie deal before becoming an unrestricted FA.
So here are some of my questions about the Lance move:

• What was the primary purpose for obtaining Trey Lance? (A successor to Dak, leverage against Dak in contract negotiations, future trade bait with other teams?)
• Are the Cowboys following some kind of plan with him…or not?
• How can the Cowboys know what they have in Lance if they hang on to Cooper Rush as the backup?

Here are some possible scenarios/answers to those questions:

• A- Lance was obtained to give the Cowboys leverage and a possible replacement for Dak should the team decide to move on from Dak. (I don’t see how Lance could be much trade bait if he never sees the field here)
• B- The plan is for Dak to be extended one more year, give time to develop Lance, then make him the starter in 2025. ???? If there’s a plan it’s not at all very clear.
• C- The Cowboys somehow already know what they have (or don’t have in Lance) Or…they are going to find out in TC this year?

Honestly I would be fine moving on from Dak via a trade if this team was willing to do a rebuild similar to what the pack did with Jordan Love last year. The problems there would be 1. Jerry won’t do a “rebuild” and 2. We don’t know if Lance is good enough to hand the keys to the car yet.

So what is the plan for Trey Lance? Is this some grand 3 dimensional chess our GM is playing? Or is it a strange fantasy football move centered on throwing spaghetti on the wall and seeing what sticks? If there is some grand and brilliant plan here, I’m not seeing it.

Thoughts?

I'm guessing Jerry took a shot, and he's hoping to see greatness in practice/training camp. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't break the bank, but if it does, Jerry gets to brag.

 

[Chasing6]

I'm guessing Jerry took a shot, and he's hoping to see greatness in practice/training camp. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't break the bank, but if it does, Jerry gets to brag.

It is a long shot at best. Trance is our rebuild plan to get a high draft pick.

 

[Runwildboys]

Pay no attention to the fac that the Head Fricken Football Coach and supposed offensive guru was not consulted about the Lance trade.

I remember reading that Jerry and Mike had discussed their mutual admiration of Lance in the past, and Jerry was confident Mike would be happy with the move.

 

[Big_D]

Considering where he is in his contract situation it made very little sense. They have to make a 5th year decision or decide to overpay for a guy who has done absolutely nothing. Now any chance to truly develop and evaluate will be rushed along.

 

[Chasing6]

I remember reading that Jerry and Mike had discussed their mutual admiration of Lance in the past, and Jerry was confident Mike would be happy with the move.

Passed meaning before the draft?

 

[Runwildboys]

Passed meaning before the draft?

Not sure exactly when, but certainly long before Lance became available.

 

[Big_D]

“Lance is this year’s 4th round pick” is a good way of looking at it Rock.

You would get 4 years on a rookie deal. They'll get 2 with likely no playing time.