CFZ The murky thinking behind the Trey Lance trade

[Chasing6]

Not sure exactly when, but certainly long before Lance became available.

I think the best we can hope for is Dak taking a team friendly deal, which at this point would be $55M average or below, without a trade clause. Hopefully something we could trade out from if we needed to in the future.

 

[Blackrain]

Ok but if they extend Dak for two more years, what will that mean for Lance? I can’t make it make sense.

I can't make any sense of it either in a year where we had a bunch of blowout wins against bad teams it would have been a great time to let him get some experience and if he played well it would have been a tremendous bargaining chip and made him worth the expenditure of a fourth round pick.
He certainly could have played in the Giants or Patriots games what's the worst that could have happened.

 

[Runwildboys]

I think the best we can hope for is Dak taking a team friendly deal, which at this point would be $55M average or below, without a trade clause. Hopefully something we could trade out from if we needed to in the future.

Barring some unforeseen stroke of luck, I tend to agree.

 

[Chasing6]

Ok but if they extend Dak for two more years, what will that mean for Lance? I can’t make it make sense.

I think it means trading for Trance was a mistake. He stated he wants the opportunity to start. So if that is the case I think he is gone next year.

 

[SinceDayOne]

Hate to throw cold water on all this Lance talk but IMO he is not and likely never will be the answer at QB. The 49ers paid a king's ransom to draft the guy. He had slipped down the depth chart to number 3 out there behind the much traveled Sam Darnold. SF knew they had a good team this year. Number 2 QB is an important guy on good teams. The choice of Darnold over Lance was an easy one evidently. The 49ers bit the bullet and traded Lance and moved on.

Here in Dallas he evidently never threatened to be the number 2 guy and displace Cooper Rush. Lance was the emergency QB even when Rush was somewhat banged up at the end of the season. IMO Dak Prescott has no real competition on the roster currently. He is better than number 2 Rush and way better than number 3 Lance. We need to add some guys in the QB room....good players that can really push to be number 1.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Can you imagine what Jeruh would have traded for Trance if he was not just competing with himself?

Probably one of his younger children

Unfortunately...his kids are only worth like a 6th or 7th rounder per the Trade Charts

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

"I hope they give him lots of playing time in preseason. If he shines maybe then he becomes trade bait. It would be awesome for Dallas to squeeze a 1st or 2nd round pick out of a trade for Lance. It is also a pipe dream."

I think you misunderstood what I said.

No I saw that.

That's why I said maybe he could get TWO first round picks.

A lot of times...when a player has done nothing in his career, and then he's offered up for trade by his original team because they gave up on him , and only a single team is willing to offer anything for him, and even that pick was a Day 3 pick....that a single preseason will elevate his worth to first round status.

Happens all the time.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Jerry should try to get a 4th round pick in trade for Trey Lance. Use his youth, ability and training with the Cowboys. Jerry messed up trading for Lance when we have so many other issues to fix. He could say the Cowboys and Mike McCarthy have helped improve Lance.

Only the Cowboys offered a 4th round pick.

He's done nothing since being traded.

Then a year later after acquiring him they re-offer him back up for trade?

I think there's maybe a 20% chance some team might be willing to throw away a 7th round pick on him just to hope maybe he could be a 3rd string QB...but even that's a long shot (why not just spend that 7th on a cheap rookie, who hasn't yet proved he can't play in the league yet?). So that's the BEST case scenario...and an unlikely one.

Most likely. ..nobody would offer anything...just like they didn't offer anything last year when Jerry was bidding against himself.

Zach Wilson would draw more in a trade.

 

[Beaker42]

That wasn't ever going to happen last year. He wasn't ready and everyone said it.

The plan going forward? We'll see in preseason.

We have no plan for him. He’ll never take a snap in a regular season game for us.

 

[KingCorcoran]

I simply think he saw a chance to get a first-round talent for a relatively low cost. There is no grand and brilliant plan other than that and the options it creates.

1) If we re-sign Dak and he plays poorly while Lance has a great preseason, we could have Lance take over. (I consider this to be an unlikely scenario because Dak has generally put up good numbers during the regular season.)

2) If we re-sign Dak and he plays up to his regular level while Lance has a great preseason, we could trade Lance and make a profit on the acquisition.

3) If Lance plays well, we could keep him as a better backup option for the season in case of injury (and even possibly sign him longer term for that role, which I also consider unlikely if he plays well enough for some team in need of a QB to sign him).

You seem to be viewing this as if it is relative to Dak in some way. I don't think it is. The front office has been saying this whole time that it plans to extend Dak. I think Jones just saw it as a chance to get a first-rounder to possibly improve our depth or create value and see how it goes from there.

Since Lance was traded for a 4th round pick Jerry established his value as a 4th round talent. After a full year of no game action no team would give more than a sixth round pick for him, and more likely no team would give up any draft capital at all for him. Only the most deluded fan would refer to Trey Lance as “first round talent”.

 

[Chasing6]

Probably one of his younger children

Unfortunately...his kids are only worth like a 6th or 7th rounder per the Trade Charts

Hahah

 

[SiCk_DiAbLo]

I think the Cowboys brought in Lance to let a fire under Dak's arse, Competition??..Head Games whatever ya wanna call it..Dak played pretty good in the reg season, playoffs as usual, not so good...

 

[Jimbo123]

I find it very odd that there is so much hate for lance.

What is really odd is all the love for Lance. Based on what?

 

[Mikexike]

What is really odd is all the love for Lance. Based on what?

We just want something different, instead of watching regular season prescott.

 

[gimmesix]

Since Lance was traded for a 4th round pick Jerry established his value as a 4th round talent. After a full year of no game action no team would give more than a sixth round pick for him, and more likely no team would give up any draft capital at all for him. Only the most deluded fan would refer to Trey Lance as “first round talent”.

Fair enough. But Dallas is hoping that the reason he was a first-round pick emerges and then they got a steal with a fourth-rounder and if he plays like a first-rounder then Dallas can get a higher draft pick back for its investment. That's all I meant.

It isn't much different than other shots that we took at "failed" first-rounders. Most of those have come up empty, though. Bill Parcells used to like to pick up former first-rounders who flamed out elsewhere, saying there was a reason a team liked them well enough to spend a first-round pick on them. Dallas invested a fourth-round pick in seeing if it could nuture that reason with Lance. Doesn't mean the team was looking for him to replace Prescott; it was just looking to see if it could get a first-round talent with a fourth-round pick.

 

[Chasing6]

We just want something different, instead of watching regular season prescott.

Rush is better than Trance.

 

[Risen Star]

Genius is often times misunderstood.

 

[Chasing6]

Genius is often times misunderstood.

Well the Niners thought they were geniuses trading up to get him.

 

[MapleLeaf]

I also believe if this team wants to seriously see what they have in Trey Lance, they need to release Rush. He’s not paid a ton but it makes little sense to keep his salary going forward. Going to be an interesting off season.

The value of this trade will be determined this offseason with Lance.

Is he prepared to do the things in the offseason to get himself ready to do at the very minimum one thing: Force MM to name him the backup.

If he is capable of challenging Dak right now for the #1 spot then we have got a real interesting situation here.

He is entering his fourth year in the league. He got a chance to sit in his third year and learn and more important get healthy. He has had three injuries in three years so getting an off year will help his body.

I for one am really interested in seeing how competitive Lance is prepared to be this offseason, and the upcoming camps. Can he pull a Tony Romo and make it impossible to keep him off the field by running the scout team and beating the first team defence on a regular basis.

Let's see how serious Trey Lance is about being the starter.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

The only way this move made sense was as something done to stroke Jerry's ego. It made no sense from a football point of view when you consider his contract situation.