The myth of long NFL turnarounds

GMO415 said:
Nah, it takes 31 + years
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Year 31 ain’t looking too promising buddy
 
Aerolithe_Lion said:
1996 Jets: 1-15

Hire Parcells

1997 Jets: 9-7

1998 Jets: 12-4, AFCCG


Dude has an insane resumé
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Took Quincy Carter to the playoffs in his very first season. This was coming off the 3 straight 5-11 seasons. Quincy wasn't a good QB either but Parcells worked his magic that year. Too bad we were in QB purgatory the next 2 years with Testaverde and Bledsoe. 2005 had a lot of promise but went off the rails in the final month.

Really wish Jerry's ego would have allowed Parcells to finish out his vision but he only wanted him here to get the new stadium built. He's the one who saw something in Romo as a practice squad player. Him and Payton. 2007 should have been the year but Wade Phillips as HC paired with Jason Garrett, the stage was too big in the playoffs. To the tune we changed our entire identity come the Giants playoff game. We weren't some slow, methodical ball control offense that year and Barber was not the tone setter. Yet that's exactly what we morphed into. Signs of panic.
 
diamonddelts said:
Hiring a new HC with the worst GM in the NFL at the helm is not doing ish. We've seen that scenario play out multiple times.
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We have a serious dilemma. Jerry won't hire a mean tough independent sumabee... and a mean tough independent sumabee wouldn't want to work for him anyway.
 
Cowboys don’t have a turnaround plan. Instant success from one season to the next doesn’t happen here with the culture rot.
 
diamonddelts said:
Hiring a new HC with the worst GM in the NFL at the helm is not doing ish. We've seen that scenario play out multiple times.
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True. And it's not just that Jerry is bad, it's that he has to hire someone who is comfortable with his meddling and who won't steal the spotlight. His ego has been sabotaging the team for decades.
 
Aerolithe_Lion said:
1996 Jets: 1-15

Hire Parcells

1997 Jets: 9-7

1998 Jets: 12-4, AFCCG


Dude has an insane resumé
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Patriots were 2-14 the year before he took over.
Giants were 4-5 in the strike season and 3-13 in his first season.

He is an all-time great in my opinion.
 
CyberB0b said:
The company line that Jerry keeps selling that it is a process is total bull. Here is a list of teams who reached at least reached a conference championship game within the first 3 seasons of hiring a new head coach in the last 30 years.

Coach HiredTeamNew Head CoachFirst Qualifying SeasonCoach YearResult
1997Atlanta FalconsDan Reeves19982Super Bowl loss
1997New York JetsBill Parcells19982AFC Championship loss
1997San Francisco 49ersSteve Mariucci19971NFC Championship loss
1997St. Louis RamsDick Vermeil19993Super Bowl win
1998Oakland RaidersJon Gruden20003AFC Championship loss
1999Philadelphia EaglesAndy Reid20013NFC Championship loss
1999Baltimore RavensBrian Billick20002Super Bowl win
2000St. Louis RamsMike Martz20012Super Bowl loss
2000New England PatriotsBill Belichick20012Super Bowl win
2002Tampa Bay BuccaneersJon Gruden20021Super Bowl win
2002Oakland RaidersBill Callahan20021Super Bowl loss
2002Carolina PanthersJohn Fox20032Super Bowl loss
2002Indianapolis ColtsTony Dungy20032AFC Championship loss
2004Atlanta FalconsJim Mora Jr.20041NFC Championship loss
2004Chicago BearsLovie Smith20063Super Bowl loss
2006New Orleans SaintsSean Payton20061NFC Championship loss
2006Green Bay PackersMike McCarthy20072NFC Championship loss
2007San Diego ChargersNorv Turner20071AFC Championship loss
2007Arizona CardinalsKen Whisenhunt20082Super Bowl loss
2007Pittsburgh SteelersMike Tomlin20082Super Bowl win
2008Baltimore RavensJohn Harbaugh20081AFC Championship loss
2009Indianapolis ColtsJim Caldwell20091Super Bowl loss
2009New York JetsRex Ryan20091AFC Championship loss
2011San Francisco 49ersJim Harbaugh20111NFC Championship loss
2011Denver BroncosJohn Fox20133Super Bowl loss
2012Indianapolis ColtsChuck Pagano20143AFC Championship loss
2013Arizona CardinalsBruce Arians20153NFC Championship loss
2015Denver BroncosGary Kubiak20151Super Bowl win
2015Atlanta FalconsDan Quinn20162Super Bowl loss
2016Philadelphia EaglesDoug Pederson20172Super Bowl win
2017Jacksonville JaguarsDoug Marrone20171AFC Championship loss
2017Los Angeles RamsSean McVay20182Super Bowl loss
2017San Francisco 49ersKyle Shanahan20193Super Bowl loss
2018Tennessee TitansMike Vrabel20192AFC Championship loss
2019Tampa Bay BuccaneersBruce Arians20202Super Bowl win
2019Green Bay PackersMatt LaFleur20191NFC Championship loss
2019Cincinnati BengalsZac Taylor20213Super Bowl loss
2021Philadelphia EaglesNick Sirianni20222Super Bowl loss
2021Detroit LionsDan Campbell20233NFC Championship loss
2023Denver BroncosSean Payton20253AFC Championship loss
2024Washington CommandersDan Quinn20241NFC Championship loss
2024Seattle SeahawksMike Macdonald20252Super Bowl win
2025New England PatriotsMike Vrabel20251Super Bowl loss
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Jerry has a 35 year plan.
 
LouBrown said:
Conference championships aren't an important benchmark. That's especially true in the NFL, when teams can fluke their way there.
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We need some flukin' playoff wins then. To get to the Super Bowl would be a flukin' accomplishment for this flukin' team. Fluke them draft picks we sent to the Jets. We're flukin' all in, baby.
 
CyberB0b said:
The company line that Jerry keeps selling that it is a process is total bull. Here is a list of teams who reached at least reached a conference championship game within the first 3 seasons of hiring a new head coach in the last 30 years.

Coach HiredTeamNew Head CoachFirst Qualifying SeasonCoach YearResult
1997Atlanta FalconsDan Reeves19982Super Bowl loss
1997New York JetsBill Parcells19982AFC Championship loss
1997San Francisco 49ersSteve Mariucci19971NFC Championship loss
1997St. Louis RamsDick Vermeil19993Super Bowl win
1998Oakland RaidersJon Gruden20003AFC Championship loss
1999Philadelphia EaglesAndy Reid20013NFC Championship loss
1999Baltimore RavensBrian Billick20002Super Bowl win
2000St. Louis RamsMike Martz20012Super Bowl loss
2000New England PatriotsBill Belichick20012Super Bowl win
2002Tampa Bay BuccaneersJon Gruden20021Super Bowl win
2002Oakland RaidersBill Callahan20021Super Bowl loss
2002Carolina PanthersJohn Fox20032Super Bowl loss
2002Indianapolis ColtsTony Dungy20032AFC Championship loss
2004Atlanta FalconsJim Mora Jr.20041NFC Championship loss
2004Chicago BearsLovie Smith20063Super Bowl loss
2006New Orleans SaintsSean Payton20061NFC Championship loss
2006Green Bay PackersMike McCarthy20072NFC Championship loss
2007San Diego ChargersNorv Turner20071AFC Championship loss
2007Arizona CardinalsKen Whisenhunt20082Super Bowl loss
2007Pittsburgh SteelersMike Tomlin20082Super Bowl win
2008Baltimore RavensJohn Harbaugh20081AFC Championship loss
2009Indianapolis ColtsJim Caldwell20091Super Bowl loss
2009New York JetsRex Ryan20091AFC Championship loss
2011San Francisco 49ersJim Harbaugh20111NFC Championship loss
2011Denver BroncosJohn Fox20133Super Bowl loss
2012Indianapolis ColtsChuck Pagano20143AFC Championship loss
2013Arizona CardinalsBruce Arians20153NFC Championship loss
2015Denver BroncosGary Kubiak20151Super Bowl win
2015Atlanta FalconsDan Quinn20162Super Bowl loss
2016Philadelphia EaglesDoug Pederson20172Super Bowl win
2017Jacksonville JaguarsDoug Marrone20171AFC Championship loss
2017Los Angeles RamsSean McVay20182Super Bowl loss
2017San Francisco 49ersKyle Shanahan20193Super Bowl loss
2018Tennessee TitansMike Vrabel20192AFC Championship loss
2019Tampa Bay BuccaneersBruce Arians20202Super Bowl win
2019Green Bay PackersMatt LaFleur20191NFC Championship loss
2019Cincinnati BengalsZac Taylor20213Super Bowl loss
2021Philadelphia EaglesNick Sirianni20222Super Bowl loss
2021Detroit LionsDan Campbell20233NFC Championship loss
2023Denver BroncosSean Payton20253AFC Championship loss
2024Washington CommandersDan Quinn20241NFC Championship loss
2024Seattle SeahawksMike Macdonald20252Super Bowl win
2025New England PatriotsMike Vrabel20251Super Bowl loss
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Should be another column showing the GMs.

If it went back to 1989 it would show "Jimmy Johnson/ Herschel Walker" as the GM
 
MarcusRock said:
We need some flukin' playoff wins then. To get to the Super Bowl would be a flukin' accomplishment for this flukin' team. Fluke them draft picks we sent to the Jets. We're flukin' all in, baby.
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.......to get to the SB would indeed be a fluke
 
cowboys5xsbs said:
It's sad that we have relegated ourselves to thinking conference championships mean anything. Truly a sad state of affairs for our fanbase.
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LouBrown said:
Conference championships aren't an important benchmark. That's especially true in the NFL, when teams can fluke their way there.
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It's one game away from the Super Bowl. Even if you strip it out and just go with Super Bowl appearances, there are many examples.
 
CyberB0b said:
It's one game away from the Super Bowl. Even if you strip it out and just go with Super Bowl appearances, there are many examples.
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How about winning a super bowl. I don't care about going to a super bowl to lose.
 
Not all of those are "turnarounds". Some coaches took over great situations.
 
CyberB0b said:
Cool. We still have 9 examples of exactly that in this list. Jerry is selling a line of horse manure.
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If we're using an average of 4 new HCs per year, 9 is pretty insignificant.

You're also not factoring what the previous team was. In 2002, Gruden inherited a playoff team. In 2015, Kubiak inherited a 12-4 division winner.
 
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