The new game plan against us

[FLcowboy]

DAT was a great guy and good player, but we've been fine inside with Shanle and James....between Fujita and Burnett, we should be okay outside. This is no cause for great alarm.

Except Fujita and Burnett aren't able to contain the right side of the offensive line. I would have thought that with the bye week, and all, Parcells could have put some positive reinforcement into those thick skulls.

Neither will be starting next year.

 

[superpunk]

Here's what I know:

DEFENSIVE STATS IN GAMES DAT STARTED (SD, Wash, SD, Oak)

Average Net Yards Per Game: 340

Average Turnovers forced per game: 1.25

Average Sacks per game: 3.0

Average Points Allowed Per Game: 20.25


DEFENSIVE STATS IN GAMES SHANLE HAS STARTED (Philly x 2, NYG, Seattle, Arizona, Detroit)

Average Net Yards Per Game: 247.7

Average Turnovers forced per game: 1.7

Average Sacks per game: 2.5

Average Points Allowed Per Game: 11.00

Couldn't the whole "adjusting to the 3-4" thing have had a little bit to do with our early defensive struggles?

 

[blindzebra]

Just how much 3-4 and how much 4-3 have we been running? I've seen a mix of both.

We have played very little 4-3. I'd say about as much as we played 3-4 last year.

We played a little versus Philly in game one, and some against Denver.

Most of the time when we have had 4 down, we have just 2 LBs, we do walk Roy up to give us a 4-3 look.

 

[ravidubey]

Just like last Thursday we will use the 4-3 more often from here on in. 1) teams will run more often and the 4-3 is better vs. the run 2) our LB depth stinks. I'd like to see Ware play the Will spot and have us beefier up front to stop Tiki Barber, Clinton Portis, Stephen Davis, Larry Johnson, and Stephen Jackson.

 

[Nors]

Parcells is not going to junk a Defense that is playing great in the 3-4.

Move on - Dat was out 3 games and reduced role past month. This is a non issue if Shanle can dress Sunday.

Panic buttons that make no noise.

 

[ghst187]

What part of Dayne's run makes anyone think the linebacking was O.K. without Dat?

no kidding, if Dat was in on that play, he stuffs it at the LoS.

He was small but he gave all and he was very smart. He always took good angles and wrapped up. He seemed to always find the same crease the ball carrier did and met him there.
Right now, we only have 2 or 3 legit LBers counting Ware.

 

[Nors]

Total Defense - Total Yards/Game
Team G Plys Yds/G Y/P FD/G 3rd Md 3rd Att 3rd % 4th Md 4th Att 4th % Pen PenYds TOP TF L
Chicago 11 687 254.2 4.1 14.1 47 167 28.1 3 11 27.3 80 702 30:46 17 7
Tampa Bay 11 638 269.6 4.6 15.0 49 147 33.3 5 11 45.5 76 568 28:40 22 11
Jacksonville 11 657 281.5 4.7 17.2 43 139 30.9 3 7 42.9 85 675 28:28 16 8
Carolina 11 671 284.9 4.7 16.3 59 149 39.6 5 12 41.7 96 772 29:21 17 13
Dallas 11 633 285.4 5.0 14.7 47 143 32.9 7 10 70.0 113 810 26:30 15 8
Baltimore 11 671 287.0 4.7 18.0 52 143 36.4 2 7 28.6 70 512 29:21 15 8
Pittsburgh 10 645 290.7 4.5 18.3 63 147 42.9 2 9 22.2 81 723 30:01 16 11
Indianapolis 10 578 293.4 5.1 16.2 51 130 39.2 9 13 69.2 67 492 28:50 22 6
Green Bay 11 682 298.8 4.8 18.3 52 142 36.6 3 5 60.0 69 680 30:17 25 9
Washington 11 671 308.3 5.1 16.3 57 152 37.5 3 7 42.9 70 619 28:49 19 3
New York (A) 11 711 310.5 4.8 20.2 56 142 39.4 9 10 90.0 80 673 33:29 15 5
San Diego 11 689 312.5 5.0 19.8 51 143 35.7 7 14 50.0 88 682 28:50 16 6
New Orleans 11 665 313.6 5.2 18.3 63 152 41.4 2 3 66.7 89 688 29:17 15 8
Detroit 11 678 313.9 5.1 18.3 53 143 37.1 4 9 44.4 104 762 29:55 19 10
Tennessee 11 653 315.3 5.3 17.4 48 140 34.3 5 9 55.6 67 495 28:22 13 8
Atlanta 11 663 317.2 5.3 19.6 35 122 28.7 7 13 53.8 84 658 29:04 19 11
Denver 11 687 318.7 5.1 18.5 53 145 36.6 8 12 66.7 104 731 27:39 19 11
Buffalo 11 669 322.7 5.3 20.3 59 129 45.7 3 6 50.0 84 595 30:21 20 11
Miami 11 738 323.0 4.8 20.5 65 159 40.9 2 9 22.2 75 611 32:55 23 9
Cleveland 11 709 324.9 5.0 19.0 58 144 40.3 6 14 42.9 68 494 32:35 16 6
Cincinnati 11 685 325.0 5.2 20.2 55 134 41.0 6 12 50.0 77 705 28:41 22 10
Kansas City 11 669 328.7 5.4 18.6 48 136 35.3 4 13 30.8 57 527 27:34 30 13
Arizona 11 655 328.9 5.5 18.3 51 136 37.5 2 7 28.6 70 516 29:24 16 9
New York (N) 11 722 330.0 5.0 18.5 61 160 38.1 5 9 55.6 97 823 30:05 23 15
Philadelphia 11 689 330.1 5.3 18.1 51 151 33.8 6 7 85.7 69 571 30:38 22 10
Seattle 11 720 331.6 5.1 19.1 62 161 38.5 7 10 70.0 91 661 30:53 17 5
Oakland 11 705 332.1 5.2 18.8 63 155 40.6 2 7 28.6 80 631 31:12 18 13
Minnesota 11 710 338.2 5.2 19.5 62 147 42.2 1 5 20.0 98 691 30:17 14 8
St. Louis 11 714 376.6 5.8 22.1 57 136 41.9 2 9 22.2 75 698 30:24 13 9
Houston 11 689 382.9 6.1 23.0 52 126 41.3 11 15 73.3 75 568 32:09 14 5
New England 11 725 386.3 5.9 21.7 66 152 43.4 1 4 25.0 92 754 32:09 9 5
San Francisco 11 748 400.7 5.9 21.1 61 157 38.9 11 16 68.8 79 645 33:01 16 10



Yes - Dats been out or in reduced roll for 2 months. Lets junk our 3-4 defense. That is flat out moronic.

 

[blindzebra]

Typical.

Where in this thread did anyone say switch back to 4-3 full time?

The simple facts are we have zero depth at LB and two VERY questionable starters.

Those guys playing STs now have more snaps on defense.

Ware is playing way too many snaps. Parcells has been talking about getting Ware some rest since the end of preseason. Factor in the rookie wall and him not getting to the QB is likely to continue.

No depth, too many snaps, impact on special teams, solution?

Utilize that depth we have up front. Give Pepper some playing time to see where we stand at NT. Use Ogbogu where he can help us at DE and picking up some ST snaps from the other LBs.

What's moronic is having tunnel vision that won't allow what is best for the team versus personal agendas.

 

[KoRn_BoYz_5]

With the state of our LBs any OC not running it 30 times and throwing at least 10 passes to his backs and TEs should be fired.

Like it or not the 4-3 might need to get dusted off.

noo they wont, because dat will be on the sideline w/ a mega fone yellin "shuffle! shuffle!"

 

[Nors]

Typical.

Where in this thread did anyone say switch back to 4-3 full time?

The simple facts are we have zero depth at LB and two VERY questionable starters.

Those guys playing STs now have more snaps on defense.

Ware is playing way too many snaps. Parcells has been talking about getting Ware some rest since the end of preseason. Factor in the rookie wall and him not getting to the QB is likely to continue.

No depth, too many snaps, impact on special teams, solution?

Utilize that depth we have up front. Give Pepper some playing time to see where we stand at NT. Use Ogbogu where he can help us at DE and picking up some ST snaps from the other LBs.

What's moronic is having tunnel vision that won't allow what is best for the team versus personal agendas.

Shanle has outplayed Dat
Fujita/Burnett will be fine

Lets change out the 3-4 defense we installed and have rode to #5 ranked defense. Yup - that makes total sense.

Sabve yourself the egg on face - Parcells is not bringing back the 4-3. PERIOD. We are creating more sacks and tunovers, winning more games. Skunked Eagles -

Not happening dude and thats the best thing for this team. Parcells has voted.

 

[blindzebra]

Shanle has outplayed Dat
Fujita/Burnett will be fine

Lets change out the 3-4 defense we installed and have rode to #5 ranked defense. Yup - that makes total sense.

Sabve yourself the egg on face - Parcells is not bringing back the 4-3. PERIOD. We are creating more sacks and tunovers, winning more games. Skunked Eagles -

Not happening dude and thats the best thing for this team. Parcells has voted.

Players, like it has been all along, spot on right about that.

How many sacks while in that 3-4 Nors?

Turnovers in the 3-4?

I've already showed the stats on your boy Nors, 6.25 to 2.7, how'd Shanle look against Philly?

I noticed how unusually silent you were that week, I wonder why?

 

[Natedawg44]

The simple fact is once Henry is healthy all of these "issues" go away. Henry is much more valuable to our D at this point than Nguyen. We have had minimal problems vs the run. I imagine we will see more of a 3-3-5 alignment with Roy even closer to the LOS and Pile or Glenn on the field more once Henry is healthy rather than a traditional 4-3 alignment.

 

[Nors]

Players, like it has been all along, spot on right about that.

How many sacks while in that 3-4 Nors?

Turnovers in the 3-4?

I've already showed the stats on your boy Nors, 6.25 to 2.7, how'd Shanle look against Philly?

I noticed how unusually silent you were that week, I wonder why?

AS RICH SCHOOLED YOU EARLIER the defense is playing better with Shanle than when Dat was starting.

Your 4-3 rants are falling on deaf ears. Its over as we are a 3-4 Base and committed to it. And playing at a top 5 clip creating more sacks and turnovers.

Go play BP press conference - and listen. It will tell you all you need to know about Dat and our defense.

Lets scrap the D we are running all season, in game 12 as we go up against Giants in a critical spot.

That would be two victories against Eagles - correct.

You are a mime at heart!

 

[Nors]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich
Here's what I know:

DEFENSIVE STATS IN GAMES DAT STARTED (SD, Wash, SD, Oak)

Average Net Yards Per Game: 340

Average Turnovers forced per game: 1.25

Average Sacks per game: 3.0

Average Points Allowed Per Game: 20.25


DEFENSIVE STATS IN GAMES SHANLE HAS STARTED (Philly x 2, NYG, Seattle, Arizona, Detroit)

Average Net Yards Per Game: 247.7

Average Turnovers forced per game: 1.7

Average Sacks per game: 2.5

Average Points Allowed Per Game: 11.00

 

[blindzebra]

AS RICH SCHOOLED YOU EARLIER the defense is playing better with Shanle than when Dat was starting.

Your 4-3 rants are falling on deaf ears. Its over as we are a 3-4 Base and committed to it. And playing at a top 5 clip creating more sacks and turnovers.

Go play BP press conference - and listen. It will tell you all you need to know about Dat and our defense.

Lets scrap the D we are running all season, in game 12 as we go up against Giants in a critical spot.

That would be two victories against Eagles - correct.

You are a mime at heart!

I ripped Rich's stats the way I ripped your mantra.

I know this is a waste of time, but again, show the post where I said to scrap the 3-4?

Let me see...the Nors play book...now that I have you cornered it's probably time to throw out a 3 amigos rant, sprinkle in a Howard trade, misuse a Gurode stance, or just scream slander and run away.

 

[Nors]

Go back to your 4-3 pipe dream - its over.

We are going full steam ahead.

 

[Nors]

You can't "rip" the fact we are #5 rated D, MAKING MORE SACKS, TURNOVERS. And that Shanle in our D far outperformed our D with Dat starting. Two months later you hit the panic button - LOL

 

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Yakuza Rich
Here's what I know:

DEFENSIVE STATS IN GAMES DAT STARTED (SD, Wash, SD, Oak)

Average Net Yards Per Game: 340

Average Turnovers forced per game: 1.25

Average Sacks per game: 3.0

Average Points Allowed Per Game: 20.25


DEFENSIVE STATS IN GAMES SHANLE HAS STARTED (Philly x 2, NYG, Seattle, Arizona, Detroit)

Average Net Yards Per Game: 247.7

Average Turnovers forced per game: 1.7

Average Sacks per game: 2.5

Average Points Allowed Per Game: 11.00

4 rookies, 5 new free agents, several vets that were new to the 3-4 had NOTHING to do with a slow start on defense, it was all Super Shanle replacing Dat.

Shanle had as much to do with that defensive improvement as Carter and Hambrick did with 10-6...oops you believed that nonsense too.

 

[blindzebra]

Go back to your 4-3 pipe dream - its over.

We are going full steam ahead.

Still waiting for that post about scraping the 3-4.

10...9...8...

 

[blindzebra]

You can't "rip" the fact we are #5 rated D, MAKING MORE SACKS, TURNOVERS. And that Shanle in our D far outperformed our D with Dat starting. Two months later you hit the panic button - LOL

Still waiting.

7...6...5...