The Nor's nemisis...the 4-2-5 defense.

[MichaelWinicki]

Even though the 4-2-5 (the "Nickel) has been mentioned by some of the Cowboy's brain trust as being on the field a lot... some have said upwards of 50% of the time why isn't anyone talking about it on the board?

Personally I find that defense intriguing with the use of Roy as a linebacker. I defy someone to say any other defense would put 11 better players on the field than:

Dllis DE
Glover DT
Canty/Spears DT (OK I'm cheating here-- tough!)
Ware DE
Dat LB
Burnett LB
Newman CB
Glenn CB
Roy SS
Davis FS
Henry CB

Talent wise I say Glenn is more talented than any of the other linebackers in my opinion and any defense that keeps Glover and/or Ellis off the field is a POS in my opinion.

So why aren't we hearing much about this defense?

Oh yeah! By the way--- "Bring it clownage"!

 

[Lifetimeboyzfan]

I do love the nickel package we will run out there.. One small counterpoint in regards to your list there, where is Fergy? I would imagine that the argument is you want more of a pass rusher type in nickel situations, however, to spend the money we did on Fergy and to have him on the field less than 50% of the time seems odd.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

I think we'll see some nickle in passing situations, Mikey. But that defense is easy to run on ...

And you also have Ware at DE ... I think he's better suited at LB ...

But props none-the-less for being creative ...

 

[Kilyin]

According to Nors every defense is 3-4 or 4-3 base. Otherwise it's a gimmicky prevent defense. So put away your gimmicky nickel, we only use the 3-4 now.

 

[Hollywood Henderson]

I am not a "big" fan of Dat there Mikey and this Dllis guy doesn't sound like much of a player ether!

 

[parchy]

And you also have Ware at DE ... I think he's better suited at LB ...

Agreed. I hope he doesn't play one down of DE in the pros. He should be an exclusive linebacker now.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Even though the 4-2-5 (the "Nickel) has been mentioned by some of the Cowboy's brain trust as being on the field a lot... some have said upwards of 50% of the time why isn't anyone talking about it on the board?

Personally I find that defense intriguing with the use of Roy as a linebacker. I defy someone to say any other defense would put 11 better players on the field than:

Dllis DE
Glover DT
Canty/Spears DT (OK I'm cheating here-- tough!)
Ware DE
Dat LB
Burnett LB
Newman CB
Glenn CB
Roy SS
Davis FS
Henry CB

Talent wise I say Glenn is more talented than any of the other linebackers in my opinion and any defense that keeps Glover and/or Ellis off the field is a POS in my opinion.

So why aren't we hearing much about this defense?

Oh yeah! By the way--- "Bring it clownage"!

And who the frick is Dllis?

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Agreed. I hope he doesn't play one down of DE in the pros. He should be an exclusive linebacker now.

I won't mind seeing him move up from the LB spot ... but I think his size is a disadvantage if he gives away where he's going to be coming from ...

 

[Fletch]

Banned, is that girl in your sig so upset over the Eagirls loss that she is chugging on a whole pitcher of beer?

:laugh2:

 

[Charles]

Even though the 4-2-5 (the "Nickel) has been mentioned by some of the Cowboy's brain trust as being on the field a lot... some have said upwards of 50% of the time why isn't anyone talking about it on the board?

Personally I find that defense intriguing with the use of Roy as a linebacker. I defy someone to say any other defense would put 11 better players on the field than:

Okay

Greg Ellis - Anthony Weaver
Glover - Dwan Edwards
Canty/Spears - Kelly Gregg/Maake Kemoeatu
Ware - Suggs
Dat - Ray Lewis
Burnett - Polley/Adalius Thomas LB
Newman - Samari Rolle
Glenn - Deion Sanders/Dale Carter
Roy - Ed Reed
Davis - Will Demps
Henry - Chris McAlister​

Talent wise I say Glenn is more talented than any of the other linebackers in my opinion and any defense that keeps Glover and/or Ellis off the field is a POS in my opinion.

So why aren't we hearing much about this defense?

Oh yeah! By the way--- "Bring it clownage"!

Interesting. Of course by now you know the team in comparison is the Ravens. They are actually experiementing with the 4-2-5.

I think our secondary isn't deep enough to field a 4-2-5 defense. I think we are a 4thCB/ true FS short to make that defense work. Also they are experiementing with proven players.

 

[Kilyin]

I think our secondary isn't deep enough to field a 4-2-5 defense. I think we are a 4thCB/ true FS short to make that defense work. Also they are experiementing with proven players.

You know all 32 teams run the 4-2-5 right? It's the standard nickel package.

I think you are mistaking this for the 46, which the Ravens are supposedly going to use.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Oh yeah! By the way--- "Bring it clownage"!

It does have the distinct advantage of keeping "ALs" off , so maybe 'he' won't mind the discussion.

Of course, rotations apply in any scheme...so Bradie and Shanle can be utilized.

Fergy will get a well needed rest.

 

[Charles]

You know all 32 teams run the 4-2-5 right? It's the standard nickel package.

I think you are mistaking this for the 46, which the Ravens are supposedly going to use.

Yep I got my defense mixed up. You are right.

The comparison shows that the Ravens can field 11 better players in the nickle package.

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Banned, is that girl in your sig so upset over the Eagirls loss that she is chugging on a whole pitcher of beer?

:laugh2:

Now that's MY idea of a Super Bowl party.

:beer2:



:iggles:

 

[big dog cowboy]

So why aren't we hearing much about this defense?

Why don't we just see if we can play with 12 guys?

 

[junk]

I am sure we will see quite a bit of the nickel and I am pretty excited about it.

I have been talking about 4-3 over/under schemes all offseason. I guess Saban runs a bit of it. I missed the last Miami game, but hope to catch the NFL Network replay tomorrow of the Jags game.

Anyway, its basically a front seven of Ware, Spears, Glover, Ferguson, Ellis, Burnett and Dat. Its very "3-4ish". I think it could be effective against the pass and the run.

http://www.phins.com/articles05/3-4defense.php

I think we are going to see many things like this in the upcoming year. Little tweaks on standard defenses to get the playmakers on the field. In fact, I have a hunch that there will be debates on exactly what kind of front is being run during some games.

Should be interesting.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Even though the 4-2-5 (the "Nickel) has been mentioned by some of the Cowboy's brain trust as being on the field a lot... some have said upwards of 50% of the time why isn't anyone talking about it on the board?

Personally I find that defense intriguing with the use of Roy as a linebacker. I defy someone to say any other defense would put 11 better players on the field than:

Dllis DE
Glover DT
Canty/Spears DT (OK I'm cheating here-- tough!)
Ware DE
Dat LB
Burnett LB
Newman CB
Glenn CB
Roy SS
Davis FS
Henry CB

Talent wise I say Glenn is more talented than any of the other linebackers in my opinion and any defense that keeps Glover and/or Ellis off the field is a POS in my opinion.

So why aren't we hearing much about this defense?

Oh yeah! By the way--- "Bring it clownage"!

Weve been using this formation for say about the past 40 years and we know what it brings to the table.

i will say that this formation is Zimmer's bread and butter, but dont count on him getting any credit for its success.

Realistically I like the idea of the 3-3-5 with the same personell just having Ware pickl his hand up and giving him better angles.

Imagine Ware and Roy blitzing at the same time out of that scheme.

I want to see how Newman blitzes from the slot.

 

[Kilyin]

Imagine Ware and Roy blitzing at the same time out of that scheme.

That's what I'm talking about.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

I am sure we will see quite a bit of the nickel and I am pretty excited about it.

I have been talking about 4-3 over/under schemes all offseason. I guess Saban runs a bit of it. I missed the last Miami game, but hope to catch the NFL Network replay tomorrow of the Jags game.

Anyway, its basically a front seven of Ware, Spears, Glover, Ferguson, Ellis, Burnett and Dat. Its very "3-4ish". I think it could be effective against the pass and the run.

http://www.phins.com/articles05/3-4defense.php

I think we are going to see many things like this in the upcoming year. Little tweaks on standard defenses to get the playmakers on the field. In fact, I have a hunch that there will be debates on exactly what kind of front is being run during some games.

Should be interesting.

I just hope we utilize Dat as effectively as I think Saban will use Zach.

 

[dwmyers]

I think we'll see some nickle in passing situations, Mikey. But that defense is easy to run on ...

Depends on where you're playing Roy in that set. if he's within 5 yards of the LOS I'd day it's at least as good as some team's regular 4-3.

David.